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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1485 on: August 01, 2012, 10:49:51 pm »
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Completely unrelated to seated shoulder press, but congrats on getting your journal to 100 pages! Adarq.org Centurion  :headbang:
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1486 on: August 02, 2012, 03:43:33 am »
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Quote from: acole14 on August 01, 2012, 10:49:51 pm
Completely unrelated to seated shoulder press, but congrats on getting your journal to 100 pages! Adarq.org Centurion  :headbang:

Thanks man, now that's a sweet  :personal-record:
And a great way to achieve it , all the forum stopped by tonight!  :D

As for the presses i thing LBSS nailed it:

Quote from: LBSS on August 01, 2012, 07:01:28 pm
there's a guy at my gym who can overhead press as much as he can bench. he's not super-strong in either, but maybe some people are just better set up to do vertical than horizontal pressing?

Also, many many years ago when i was doing the 'classic' gym split ( chest&biceps - back&triceps - shoulders&legs ), i remember my incline bench eventually surpassing than my flat bench! Anyway my bench is way too weak so weird ratios like this are expected. A few pages ago there was a discussion about my push-pull ratios too, i can lat-pulldown or machine-row 200+ for reps while current bench 5RM is about 150.
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Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1487 on: August 02, 2012, 04:30:50 am »
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Reference body measurements:

Net weight in the morning : 187,6 lbs ( 85,3kg )

Waist : 35,4'' ( 90cm )

Bodyfat scale estimation : 15,7%
Bodyfat online estimation : 17,6%
« Last Edit: August 09, 2012, 06:03:14 am by vag »
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1488 on: August 09, 2012, 05:44:34 am »
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9 August 2012

Ive been dieting all week. Consuming about 1500KCals low carb-high protein.
I did nothing active besides recreational swimming ~30 minutes every day.
Quad feels fine, i can do BW lunges with no bugging at all now, 10 more days of rest+swimming for better recovery.

Net weight in the morning : 184lbs ( 83,65kg ) , ( -3,5 lbs )

Waist : 35'' ( 89cm ) , ( -1cm )

Bodyfat online estimation : 17,3% ( -0,3% )

The weight loss is fake, i didn't really lose 3,5 lbs in 1 week, the initial measurement was the next morning after weightlifting and eating big previous night.
As for the waist/bf ratio, i don't trust it so much , just keep it as reference. My built is to gather all fat at my waist. 2'' above that my circumference is 3cm cmaller ( 86cm / 33,8'' ). The cut is more successful on visible judgement too, waist looks the same but overall i already see a difference, shoulders/biceps/lats/quads are more toned and i can see my top 2 abs now.

Next update in 10 days when vacations end.
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VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1489 on: August 10, 2012, 10:14:32 am »
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^
1 day later:
same bw, same circumference

Bodyfat scale estimation : 14,6% , ( -1,1% )

So i guess i am around 15%, that's how it looks too.
Goal for the next 10 days: another 2-3 lbs and ~1% bf.
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1490 on: August 19, 2012, 05:15:54 am »
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19 August 2012

Net weight in the morning : 183,5 lbs ( 83,4kg )
Waist : 34,85'' ( 88,5cm )

Bodyfat scale estimation : 14,9%
Bodyfat online estimation : 17%
« Last Edit: December 24, 2012, 04:25:16 am by vag »
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1491 on: August 20, 2012, 06:28:24 pm »
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Post #2000 ,  :personal-record:

20 August 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~187,25
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none?

Starting Strength - workout #14

SQUATS :
5@143 lbs ( -22 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( -22 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( -22 lbs )
-Form was good, will upload pic tomorrow. Detraining was obvious, VMO started burning at 2nd set and gave up on 3d.

BENCH PRESS:
3@137,5 lbs ( -11 lbs )
5@132 lbs ( -16,5 lbs )
5@132 lbs ( -16,5 lbs )
-137 Was too heavy to handle. Back to 132, meh, hope i can go back up fast.

SEATED OHP:
5@88 lbs
-It's not OHP day, got confused. Realised it after 1st set!  :uhhhfacepalm:

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
5@132 lbs
5@132 lbs
5@132 lbs
-Changed machine, i have the feeling the free machine lets me pull heavy loads but not only with lats. Chest supported seated rows force an upright correct position. That was verified from the loads, 5x132 was challenging when at the 'free' rows i did 8x225 last time. I am considering swithing to pendlay rows.

After 20 days of rest, quad is not totally healed. It was not holding me back during squats but i can still feel it. It doesn't bug at all now ( 5 hours later ) either , but if i do a pistol squat i feel it 'pulling' at half squat depth.
I am considering substituting Wednesday's squats with RDLs and high-rep extensions for a while. That should cover pchain and also aid quad health/recovery.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1492 on: August 21, 2012, 01:20:54 pm »
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Quote from: vag on August 20, 2012, 06:28:24 pm
-Form was good, will upload pic tomorrow. Detraining was obvious, VMO started burning at 2nd set and gave up on 3d.

Both verified.

Today VMOs are 5/5 sore, while outer quads ( vastus lateralis ) are at 3/5, hamstrings and glutes 2/5.

Form is probably the best so far:
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1493 on: August 22, 2012, 03:33:57 am »
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Quote from: vag on August 21, 2012, 01:20:54 pm
Quote from: vag on August 20, 2012, 06:28:24 pm
-Form was good, will upload pic tomorrow. Detraining was obvious, VMO started burning at 2nd set and gave up on 3d.

Both verified.

Today VMOs are 5/5 sore, while outer quads ( vastus lateralis ) are at 3/5, hamstrings and glutes 2/5.

Form is probably the best so far:


 VERY nice work vag!#@  You should line that pic up with the first one a while ago,  big time improvement.

 
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1494 on: August 22, 2012, 05:28:56 am »
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Quote from: LanceSTS on August 22, 2012, 03:33:57 am

 VERY nice work vag!#@  You should line that pic up with the first one a while ago,  big time improvement.
 

Thanks Lance , i apreciate it a lot!
I think that what made the difference was my quad being healyhy. Before holidays it was unrecovered, getting worse by squating 3xweek. It was probably giving up, causing a collapse/form breakdown. I can't understand why it takes so long to heal, it feels like a simple strain , WTF! Do you approve the high-rep leg extensions for extra recovery? If so in what scheme, i was thinking 3x15. What else ( besides stretch / foam roll ) would you suggest?
I plan on going [Mon squat - Wed RDL+dynamic recovery - Fri squat] for a while.
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1495 on: August 22, 2012, 09:00:34 am »
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Quote from: vag on August 22, 2012, 05:28:56 am
Quote from: LanceSTS on August 22, 2012, 03:33:57 am

 VERY nice work vag!#@  You should line that pic up with the first one a while ago,  big time improvement.
 

Thanks Lance , i apreciate it a lot!
I think that what made the difference was my quad being healyhy. Before holidays it was unrecovered, getting worse by squating 3xweek. It was probably giving up, causing a collapse/form breakdown. I can't understand why it takes so long to heal, it feels like a simple strain , WTF! Do you approve the high-rep leg extensions for extra recovery? If so in what scheme, i was thinking 3x15. What else ( besides stretch / foam roll ) would you suggest?
I plan on going [Mon squat - Wed RDL+dynamic recovery - Fri squat] for a while.

 When you say quad, is it high up on the femur or lower towards the knee?

 For lactic work rehab, I would definitely work in a 20 rep range at minimum for the quads, they are good for handling a lot of reps to start with, and 15 reps may not induce much lactic acid at all compared to other muscle groups.  I would make sure that your quads arent overly tight though, especially rectus femoris.  Do that kellyb stretch, pnf it, a couple times a day and see if that fixes it, many times this is the case. 
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1496 on: August 22, 2012, 09:11:06 am »
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For what it's worth my recent strain went away the day I did sprints. Like literally the moment after sprints I noticed it was gone. Before that it was lingering around annoyingly refusing to heal. I could have taken time off and maybe that would have done the same thing but it worked out well for me just training normally!
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1497 on: August 22, 2012, 09:30:41 am »
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Lance : It's right about in the middle between knee and hip joint, on the outside of the quad. I would guess it is vastus lateralis, but maybe it could be rectus femoris too, can't tell for sure because the pain feels like it's deep inside the muscle. As for the high-rep extensions i was refering to them as an aid to recover the strain, if it's a strain afterall... I will try to apply pnf/smr/stretch daily, i keep geting lazy on recovery stuff.

Entropy: I said i'd do submax sprints when i got it injured initially , 3 months later i haven't done shit! It's about time i start sprinting anyway, back to weights means big eating and i need to stay fit ( whatever fit i am now anyway... ).

Thanks both! :highfive:
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1498 on: August 22, 2012, 02:25:40 pm »
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22 August 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~187,8
Soreness : quads 5/5 , hamstrings 3/5 , glutes 2/5
Injuries/aches : ???

Starting Strength - workout #15

SQUATS:
-Skipped for quad healing. Was too sore to squat anyway.

ROMANIAN DEADLIFTS:
8@198lbs
8@198lbs
8@198lbs
-Buuuuuuuurn!

LEG EXTENSIONS:
4x20@55lbs
-Buuuuuuuurn!

BICEPS EZ-BAR CURLS:
12@59,5 lbs ( -5,5 lbs )
12@59,5 lbs ( -5,5 lbs )
10@59,5 lbs ( -5,5 lbs )
-Buuuuuuuurn!

TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS:
12@55 lbs ( -5,5 lbs )
12@55 lbs ( -5,5 lbs )
12@55 lbs ( -5,5 lbs )
-Buuuuuuuurn!

-As stated on previous post, I plan to permanently phase off squats from Wednesday and make it a p-chain day.
For now it's RDLs & high-rep leg extensions. When quad is healthy i will bring back HP cleans, change RDLs to 3x5 and maybe add lunges.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1499 on: August 22, 2012, 05:14:32 pm »
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Lance , i transferred my quad pain discussion at the following thread in your Q&A section as it is incredibly similar/relevant:
http://www.adarq.org/forum/sts-qa/pain-in-right-quad/

Also this is journal post #1500 ,  :personal-record:  :headbang:  :highfive:
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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