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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1470 on: July 27, 2012, 04:24:19 pm »
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On what do you base these assumptions? How do you know your hip flexors are strong?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1471 on: July 27, 2012, 04:50:03 pm »
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On what do you base these assumptions? How do you know your hip flexors are strong?

I did the hip flexor strength test that kellyb suggests:

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See if you have sufficient strength in your hip flexors. Place one foot up on a box so that your thigh is up above parallel. Then raise the foot up and hold it for 20 seconds without bending your support leg or squirming around.

Here is a video of Mike Boyle doing this movement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUwgrazCg4

I can hold each foot not for 20 seconds but forever without any discomfort.
I've been also doing the 7DVJC regularly that has standing and seated hip frexor leg raises, never felt the slightest difficulty there either.
If that's not enough, I was also able to BSS 286lbs on the smith machine.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1472 on: July 27, 2012, 04:56:44 pm »
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Yeah but you don't have Asafa Powell's 10x hip flexor size vs a normal person.

You're weak.

The end.

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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1473 on: July 30, 2012, 03:49:17 pm »
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30 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~192 ( carbed up )
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad

Starting Strength - workout #12

SQUATS :
3@165 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
3@165 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
3@165 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-Fail!  :uhhhfacepalm:

BENCH PRESS:
5@148,5 lbs ( same ) , ( +1 rep )
5@148,5 lbs ( same ) , ( +1 rep )
4@148,5 lbs ( same ) , ( same )
-Awesome bench performance for my standards.

SEATED MACHINE ROWS:
8@225 lbs ( same ) , ( same ) , ties :personal-record:
7@225 lbs ( same ) , ( same )
8@225 lbs ( same ) , ( +2 reps ) , ties  :personal-record:
-Awesome performance here too.

-Today i was fresh , rested well all weekend , energy & caffeine tanks were great for a workout. My left quad had different opinion though, injury reflared. I should expect it , squatting 3 times a week increasing loads is not how you go around a quad strain. Form was bad , all reps were grinders and forward lean was ugly. It is not about the load either as i had the same problems even with empty bar, my quad was collapsing at half-squat depth. Anyways vacation is here , i have a final workout in 2 days left but i am not sure if i will squat. 2-3 weeks of rest & swimming sounds like what i need right now.


Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1474 on: July 30, 2012, 09:24:48 pm »
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some questions for you:

i just read the last few pages of your log and im curious as to why you are squatting with 165 when your max is much higher?

also regarding your age, how do your joints feel training this way at your age..? im constantly worried about my knees and back being fucked from all this very heavy squatting and jumping.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1475 on: July 31, 2012, 02:27:43 am »
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i just read the last few pages of your log and im curious as to why you are squatting with 165 when your max is much higher?

I decided to stick with the Starting Strength with full squats for a while, see what happens. My full squat always sucked, i just didn't freak out about depth , i would keep ramping the weight and reping it as deep as i could, ending up in 300-something half squats. Now i want to stick with full squats. Also i have an injured quad for the last couple of months that i won't let heal.


also regarding your age, how do your joints feel training this way at your age..? im constantly worried about my knees and back being fucked from all this very heavy squatting and jumping.

My knees and joints feel like they did 20 years ago but i am sure i am not ordinary. Never ever had any knee or joint pain in my whole life. Lucky mofo.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1476 on: August 01, 2012, 02:35:00 pm »
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1 August 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~190
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad

Starting Strength - workout #13

SQUATS:
Skipped! Just checked log , there hasn't been a single week that i didn't squat in all 2012!

SEATED OHP:
5@121 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@121 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@121 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Awesome, also PR-ish.
Most i've done this year is 8@110lbs. I remember doing 8x132 the past years but it was at the smith machine.
So in free weights seated OHP that's a  :personal-record:

CHINUPS:
9@Bodyweight ( +2 reps ) ,  :personal-record:
7@Bodyweight ( same )
7@Bodyweight ( +1 rep )
Total = 23 ( +3 reps )
-Awesome,  :personal-record: total too.

BICEPS EZ-BAR CURLS:
12@65 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
12@65 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
10@65 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-Very nice.

TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS:
12@60,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
12@60,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
12@60,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Very nice.

The missing squats fatigue had obvious positive results on the other lifts.
I'm off for holidays, finally ~20 days of rest for my injured quad. If it still has issues when i come back I'm going to a doctor.
I will try to make a smart cut during the time off, with quality diet but without exaggerations. A good goal would be 183-185 wet weight at 14-15%bf, current status is 190-192 wet weight at 16-17% bf.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2012, 02:36:42 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1477 on: August 01, 2012, 03:19:58 pm »
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3x5 with 55 kg overhead press?

wtf...

I don't think I can do one set of 5 with 40 kg.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1478 on: August 01, 2012, 04:01:23 pm »
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3x5 with 55 kg overhead press?

wtf...

I don't think I can do one set of 5 with 40 kg.

Agreed! Anything close to a plate is difficult actually seated vertically.  I can push press and bench over 250+ but find 135 really challenging in the seated vertical press.  No chest, no legs, just nothing to push with!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1479 on: August 01, 2012, 04:17:53 pm »
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I was actually meaning a standing overhead press (I can hold my temptation of using the legs pretty well).
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1480 on: August 01, 2012, 04:52:56 pm »
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3x5 with 55 kg overhead press?

wtf...

I don't think I can do one set of 5 with 40 kg.

Agreed! Anything close to a plate is difficult actually seated vertically.  I can push press and bench over 250+ but find 135 really challenging in the seated vertical press.  No chest, no legs, just nothing to push with!

Really??? I thought i was weak at presses, my bench PR is an embarrassing 3x165, LOL.
Maybe i am doing them wrong , my ROM/depth is from full extension to about chin level. I find it very hard with my long ass hands to go deeper ( when my hands are parallel to the ground the bar is above my head ).
Maybe i am deluded and those presses i do qualify as half-presses, hence the "good" numbers.
Also FWIW, i dumped doing standing presses because they were very difficult for me, 8x99lbs was my PR and it felt very uncomfortable and hard, stressing my spine a lot too.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1481 on: August 01, 2012, 05:40:54 pm »
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8x45 is still light years away ahead of me.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1482 on: August 01, 2012, 07:01:28 pm »
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there's a guy at my gym who can overhead press as much as he can bench. he's not super-strong in either, but maybe some people are just better set up to do vertical than horizontal pressing?
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1483 on: August 01, 2012, 07:08:23 pm »
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Agreed! Anything close to a plate is difficult actually seated vertically.  I can push press and bench over 250+ but find 135 really challenging in the seated vertical press.  No chest, no legs, just nothing to push with!

That's odd, even w/little direct training my press has always been about 2/3 of my bench going all the way back to when I began weightlifting in college.  Can you do handstand pushups and is your incline bench also significantly lower than your bench?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1484 on: August 01, 2012, 10:18:36 pm »
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Agreed! Anything close to a plate is difficult actually seated vertically.  I can push press and bench over 250+ but find 135 really challenging in the seated vertical press.  No chest, no legs, just nothing to push with!

That's odd, even w/little direct training my press has always been about 2/3 of my bench going all the way back to when I began weightlifting in college.  Can you do handstand pushups and is your incline bench also significantly lower than your bench?

I can do handstand pushups but I was a gymnast as a kid and am pretty comfortable upside down.  I don't really do incline bench, but the last time I tried I squeezed a few reps out with 225, my max bench is between 275-295.

I think it's something to do with the barbell when seated.  I can do seated shoulder press with a couple 65 pound dumbells but anything more than a plate gets really impossible with a barbell.  I think it's something to do with getting your face out of the way that makes it so difficult for me, for some reason raising it from delts overhead when sitting makes it feel like it just gets stuck.  Really hate that lift!