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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1440 on: July 03, 2012, 11:51:47 am »
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and now i'm doing "myo-reps," which is something like a heavy set of ~10, followed by 5-6 breaths,* followed by a set of 3 reps at the same weight, followed by 5-6 breaths, repeat until you can't get three reps or until you hit your target number of sets. if you hit the target, add weight next time.

so, e.g., dips x 10+3+3+3 x bw+30 pounds, which i did yesterday. next time i'll do 35 pounds. it's like lance's method but with more emphasis on getting it done quickly and less on going heavy.

*(borge fagerli, who came up with the idea, says 5-10 breaths, but i stick to the lower end. not strong enough to justify longer breaks, i guess. something like that.)
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1441 on: July 03, 2012, 12:07:25 pm »
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And where do you pause? Meaning - after you do your 10 dips, do you stop at the top and take your breaths while still having the arms loaded etc, or do you get off the dip "machine", walk around 5-6 seconds, and then get back on it and do 3 reps?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1442 on: July 03, 2012, 12:24:51 pm »
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You get off, just like in MSEM singles. CoolColJ got some serious strength gains using the myo-reps.
I remember kellyb saying that's not too convenient for squats, as unracking-setting up-reracking is supposed to be very demanding in heavy loads ( 400+). The heaviest set i've done in my life is 374lbs quarter squats so i don't really know... :-\

inb4, JC posting sarcastic gif about CoolColJ in 3...2...1...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1443 on: July 03, 2012, 01:07:20 pm »
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You get off, just like in MSEM singles. CoolColJ got some serious strength gains using the myo-reps.
I remember kellyb saying that's not too convenient for squats, as unracking-setting up-reracking is supposed to be very demanding in heavy loads ( 400+). The heaviest set i've done in my life is 374lbs quarter squats so i don't really know... :-\

inb4, JC posting sarcastic gif about CoolColJ in 3...2...1...

yeah, blade (borge fagerli) recommends against using myo-reps for exercises that can compromise your health when done improperly. squats are an obvious example -- not just racking/unracking but also form breakdowns can be dangerous when you're doing that many reps in a short time with a moderately heavy weight. same goes for dead lifts and bent-over rows (low back) and DB bench presses (risky for the shoulders because of how hard it is with heavy weights to get the DB's into position).
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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1444 on: July 03, 2012, 03:22:04 pm »
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Yeah it makes sense. I guess it's safe to use them with dips, chinups, pushups, usually bodyweight movements.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1445 on: July 04, 2012, 01:32:01 pm »
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4 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~190
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad.

Starting Strength - workout #4

HANG POWER CLEANS:
3@88lbs
3@99lbs
3@110lbs
3@121lbs
3@132lbs

SQUATS:
5@181,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@181,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@181,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Embarrassingly challenging but got all reps.
-Quad almost not bugging at all.

BICEPS EZ-BAR CURLS:
12@59,5 lbs
12@59,5 lbs
12@59,5 lbs

TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS:
12@55 lbs
12@55 lbs
12@55 lbs
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1446 on: July 06, 2012, 01:51:04 pm »
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6 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~194 ( fake bw , loaded up with carbs + water )
Soreness : traps, biceps, triceps
Injuries/aches : left quad.

Starting Strength - workout #5

SQUATS:
5@181,5 lbs ( same )
5@181,5 lbs ( same )
5@181,5 lbs ( same )
-I felt too fatigued today. Slept 00:30 to 10:00 and still couldn't get out of bed! Also felt like quad has reflared a bit, possibly from Wednesday's cleans.
-So i decided not to add weight. Good call, form was hideous and ROM a bit limited even with same load.
-Got all planned reps but i consider this day a fail, staying at same load on Monday too.

SEATED OHP:
5@115,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@115,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@115,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Hard but nice!

CHINUPS:
8@Bodyweight ( +1 rep ) , ties  :personal-record:
6@Bodyweight ( same )
7@Bodyweight ( +1 rep )
Total = 21 ( +2 reps )
-Very nice.

LANCE CALVE RAISES ( SL eccentric - DL Concentric ):
-Forgot to do them! :uhhhfacepalm:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1447 on: July 07, 2012, 10:57:24 am »
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Back is very sore today , confirming yesterday's hideous form. Haven't had such back soreness in years, must have been the worse squats ever.
Must take a step back. Perfect form will be the red line , no limited rom / bad form reps , either perfect rep or fail.
Since i am not perfectly healthy too, i will start over squats using the Starting Strength proposed method to determine my starting point , no matter how light the load will be:

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The first set of squats begins at 45 lbs (an empty barbell) and a set of five is performed. If this is completed easily with the trainee's best form, ten pounds are added to the bar for the next set. If bar speed does not slow and form does not break down, ten more pounds are added to the bar and another set is performed. This process continues until either form begins to falter or the bar speed slows more than the preceding sets, whichever comes first. This is the trainee's starting weight. Once this occurs the trainee rests and performs two more sets at this weight, for a total of three sets of five reps (3x5) at the starting weight.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1448 on: July 09, 2012, 11:40:19 am »
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VIDEO
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1449 on: July 09, 2012, 12:36:36 pm »
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VIDEO



I refuse to film such squats, they were just hideous , they had more forward lean than those:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdaL0xUuXM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdaL0xUuXM</a>

Quad feels totally healed today, yet i decided to give it more rest/recovery, gonna squat only 2 times this week , tomorrow and Friday.

Today : long lower body stretch routine.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1450 on: July 09, 2012, 01:33:43 pm »
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Back is very sore today , confirming yesterday's hideous form. Haven't had such back soreness in years, must have been the worse squats ever.
Must take a step back. Perfect form will be the red line , no limited rom / bad form reps , either perfect rep or fail.
Since i am not perfectly healthy too, i will start over squats using the Starting Strength proposed method to determine my starting point , no matter how light the load will be:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h25oFN7J3vc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h25oFN7J3vc</a>

here's my ideal squat form. i try to lift like this each rep no matter what weight is on the bar.

good luck vag and don't mess up that back.
5'10" | 202lbs | 44 yrs
reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 545x1| standing VJ - 40"|

walk more. resting HR to low 40s. 

Daily Squats Day 1 - Aug 30, 2011 and still going.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1451 on: July 09, 2012, 02:52:03 pm »
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^ Beast lift! Yeah, that's the way:
lighter completed good form rep > heavier missed good form rep > heavier completed bad form rep.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2012, 02:59:55 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1452 on: July 11, 2012, 04:36:58 am »
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11 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~191
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad.

Starting Strength - workout #6

SQUATS :
5@132 lbs ( -44 lbs )
5@132 lbs ( -44 lbs )
5@132 lbs ( -44 lbs )
-So i did the planned reset. Started with 5xBW , then did 5x44, 3x66, 3x88, 3x110.
-Then, doing 3x132 i had a noticable bar speed decrease so i continued to do 5 reps and then 2 more sets of 5. I felt i was doing good , i widened my stance, i was going below parallel , staying upright, not goodmorninging etc. Then i decided to film my last set : DISASTER!!! I am leaning forward too much. Bar doesn't travel far though , i just cant keep my torso straight to achieve depth. On the other hand , looking at the botom squat position of the starting strength site wallpaper (http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki), he has some serious lean too. WTF? This is way too frustrating!
-Anyway no more comments now , i have to upload the vid when i get back home so you guys can tell me what seems to be the problem.

BENCH PRESS:
5@137,5 lbs ( +same )
5@137,5 lbs ( +same )
5@137,5 lbs ( +same )
-Did the same load coz i cheated ROM on 4 reps last time. This time it was awesome, good bar speed, full ROM in all reps, very strong.

SEATED MACHINE ROWS:
8@215 lbs ( +same )
8@215 lbs ( +same )
8@215 lbs ( +same )
-So this machine i am using has 2 plates rows, one with 15lbs plates and another with just two 5lbs plates. I was planned to do 220 today. I put 215 on the big row and 5 on the small. I completed all reps in good form, rather easy too, it was like "hey, i am not that strong , i should struggle with those". So i check and the 5lbs was not pinned completely so it didn't move, i redid 215. DUH!!!

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
Bored , skipped them.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1453 on: July 11, 2012, 05:24:00 am »
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On the other hand , looking at the botom squat position of the starting strength site wallpaper (http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki), he has some serious lean too. WTF?

Um... low bar vs high bar?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1454 on: July 11, 2012, 10:16:36 am »
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torso lean is in large part a function of your leverages -- how long each part of your legs is and how long your torso is. no one squats perfectly upright. i manage to stay pretty upright, even though i squat closer to low-bar, because i have average-to-short legs and good hip mobility. but your legs are long IIRC, so maybe you'll just never get that upright posture you see in youtube videos of great squatters.

repeat: VIDEO.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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