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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1425 on: June 23, 2012, 05:53:58 am »
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^Not sure, probably 2 and maybe 3 weeks.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1426 on: June 23, 2012, 10:17:05 am »
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Changed my mind , i will start Starting Strength right away.
My starting "reevaluation" point will be when i get stuck 3 times.
Being stuck = 2 3 consecutive sessions of not being able to add weight to squat. That will be followed by a 10% deload and then picking up from the load that i got stuck build up again.
I will probably renew my gym membership too and just interrupt it for holidays.
I think i will follow the "The Wichita Falls Novice Program" modified a bit,  it will be like that:

Day 1 ( Monday )
Squat 3x5
Bench press 3x5
Seated rows 3x8
Standing calve raises 3x15

Day 2 ( Wednesday or Thursday )
HP cleans 5x3
Squat 3x5
Biceps & triceps 3x12

Day 3 ( Friday or Saturday)
Squat 3x5
Press 3x5
Chin-ups: 3 sets to failure or add weight if completing more than 15 reps
Lance calve raises ( SL eccentric/DL concentric ) : 3x8

When i can't lift 3*week ( like the following week ) i will do day 1 and day 3 adding cleans.

Thanks to Steven Miller for bringing SS to my attention with recent posts, it's a training program very close to my training philosophy ( keep it simple, base a lot on squat, get strong overall, don't hesitate at all to add mass ).

Thoughts/objections always welcomed, although i am 100% convinced to do what i said to the letter.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2012, 05:36:20 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1427 on: June 23, 2012, 11:44:53 am »
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What about ab work?

And you plan on squatting 3 times per week and increasing the weight each workout?

 :o
« Last Edit: June 23, 2012, 01:37:08 pm by Raptor »
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1428 on: June 24, 2012, 05:34:33 am »
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^This journal is almost 3 years old now and doesn't have a single ab work gym entry. All i do for abs is kellyb's 7DVJC occasionaly.
As for adding weight, that's how SS is prescribed. I am very weak currently , especially after that injury my 3x5 squat is below 1*BW so i have a long way up.
But reading more in the SS wiki i saw i made those 2 mistakes:
-Being stuck is failing 3 times to add weight, not 2 as i said.
-Reset is deload 10% but then build back up , not pick up where you were i was as i said.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1429 on: June 24, 2012, 06:51:22 am »
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Yeah I couldn't understand that... how can you deload by 10% if you pick up where you left off? wtf :P
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1430 on: June 25, 2012, 01:20:09 pm »
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25 June 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~192
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad.

Here we go!!!  :headbang:

Starting Strength - workout #1

SQUATS :
5@165 lbs
5@165 lbs
5@165 lbs
-Quad much better but still feeling it when exploding up.

BENCH PRESS:
5@132 lbs
5@132 lbs
5@132 lbs

SEATED MACHINE ROWS:
8@210 lbs
8@210 lbs
8@210 lbs

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
3x15@209 lbs
« Last Edit: June 25, 2012, 01:23:24 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1431 on: June 28, 2012, 01:02:40 pm »
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28 June 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~191
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad.

Starting Strength - workout #2

SQUATS :
5@170,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@170,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@170,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )

SEATED OHP:
5@110 lbs
5@110 lbs
5@110 lbs

CHINUPS:
7@Bodyweight
6@Bodyweight
6@Bodyweight

LANCE CALVE RAISES ( SL eccentric - DL Concentric ):
3x8@110lbs each leg
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1432 on: July 02, 2012, 01:49:25 pm »
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2 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~191
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad.

Starting Strength - workout #3

SQUATS :
5@176 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@176 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@176 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Quad bugging much less. Much easier than Friday although heavier. Sweet!

BENCH PRESS:
5@137,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@137,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@137,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Got all reps but cheated ROM on 3 or 4 reps so i will stay at same load next week.

SEATED MACHINE ROWS:
8@215 lbs ( +5 lbs )
8@215 lbs ( +5 lbs )
8@215 lbs ( +5 lbs )
-Very hard but legit, strong!
Edit : I just checked my journal, my all time PR is 8x215 while being 195lbs. Also it was a ramp-up 4x8 : 185-195-205-215.
So today's 3x8@215 being 191 lbs is a big :personal-record:

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
3x15@209 lbs

Consumed way too much alcohol this weekend, i expected to be weak as shit today, i was surprisingly strong.
Also did a lot of swimming , i expected that it would help my quad heal. This morning it felt very tired and injury was bugging but by the time i got to the gym ( 7:30 pm ) it felt better than ever since last re-flare.
It is very irritating/frustrating that i can't go out and jump/dunk but oh well , i gotta do what i gotta do.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2012, 01:55:56 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1433 on: July 02, 2012, 02:34:54 pm »
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good day is good.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1434 on: July 02, 2012, 04:03:27 pm »
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Working on building muscle and getting heavier?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1435 on: July 03, 2012, 04:09:16 am »
+1
good day is good.

 :highfive:


Working on building muscle and getting heavier?

Not yet. Actually trying to get rid of some fat as i am at 16-17% currently.
I am using caloric surplus on lifting days, all the other days i am trying to have a caloric deficit of ~500Kcals. 185 would be a good weight to be in 3-4 weeks.
Regarding strength, getting over quad injury is enough to drive gains in the squat, while adapting to 3x5 and long breaks after high-rep Rest-Pause style is enough to drive gains in the upper body.
After holidays i will bulk.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1436 on: July 03, 2012, 06:31:56 am »
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Rest pause?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1437 on: July 03, 2012, 07:45:46 am »
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Rest-Pause is what the "Lance method" is actually called.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1438 on: July 03, 2012, 08:05:42 am »
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Oh...

I thought you were using that thing were if you don't do your alloted reps, you pause 10 seconds and then finish your set with a few more.

So if you planned to squat say 200x8 and you only manage 6 reps, you rack the bar, rest 10 seconds, then pick it back up and do the last 2 reps to totalize those 8 planned ones. A good way to burst through plateaus.

Not sure how that's called.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1439 on: July 03, 2012, 08:13:31 am »
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Could be rest-pause variation too. The term/method "rest pause" is a bit general. Even  singles clusters ( AKA MSEM ) are rest-pause.
Anyway what i meant is that after doing rest-pause with 45 seconds rests aiming for 25 total reps for a couple of months, switching to full rest and lower reps gives some room for "easy" gains for a while.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?