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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #285 on: May 07, 2010, 05:53:18 am »
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data FTW.

im having a problem reading the dates, non-englishness.. but the worst is after the 4th deload, your progression started way too low (in regards to max squat/BW or max squat). Had you started out heavier, you might have reached a new peak, then everything would have been good.

what happened after that fourth deload?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #286 on: May 07, 2010, 06:20:44 am »
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*i bow to you*

data FTW.

im having a problem reading the dates, non-englishness.. but the worst is after the 4th deload, your progression started way too low (in regards to max squat/BW or max squat). Had you started out heavier, you might have reached a new peak, then everything would have been good.

what happened after that fourth deload?

Man , good eyes!!!
2nd deload = not deload , its the end of summer lifting , May 18 , next entry is September 17 , 4 months without lifting.
4th deload = same thing , December 9 to March 10 , 3 months no lifting.
My 2 big yoyos , with obvious strength loss , never again!!!

As for progress after 4th "deload" , what changed is :
Until then , 5RM squat was done in the upper body days, was just building up to 5RM, Then replaced that with MSEM , so the listed weights are actualy the heaviest of my 4x6 sets. You can see that the same time the MSEM graph appears, and it is equal or above with the previous 5RM's.
One more note : the 5RM squat is real , what i lifted. The 1RM is projected calculation. So some days i might lift heavier for 1-2 reps shorter , that doesnt show on the 5RM line but it shows on the 1RM estimation. Thats obvious on last workout before last deload , 5RM squat goes up from 105 to 115 but 1RM down from 130 to 129. Thats because 105 was 6RM and 115 was 4RM

So ya ,everything interesting in that graph and every suspicious graph behaviour, you got it right! :D

« Last Edit: May 08, 2010, 08:47:58 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #287 on: May 07, 2010, 01:53:29 pm »
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*i bow to you*

data FTW.

im having a problem reading the dates, non-englishness.. but the worst is after the 4th deload, your progression started way too low (in regards to max squat/BW or max squat). Had you started out heavier, you might have reached a new peak, then everything would have been good.

what happened after that fourth deload?

Man , good eyes!!!
2nd deload = not deload , its the end of summer lifting , May 18 , next entry is September 17 , 4 months without lifting.
4th deload = same thing , December 9 to March 10 , 3 months no lifting.
My 2 big yoyos , with obvious strength loss , never again!!!

As for progress after 4th "deload" , what changed is :
Until then , 5RM squat was done in the upper body days, was just building up to 5RM, Then replaced that with MSEM , so the listed weights are actualy the heaviest of my 4x6 sets. You can see that the same time the MSEM graph appears, and it is equal or above with the previous 5RM's.
One more note : the 5RM squat is real , what i lifted. The 1RM is projected calculation. So some days i might lift heavier for 1-2 reps shorter , that doesnt show on the 5RM line but it shows on the 1RM estimation. Thats obvious on last workout before last deload , 5RM squat goes up from 105 to 115 but 1RM down from 130 to 129. Thats because 115 was 6RM and 115 was 4RM

So ya ,everything interesting in that graph and every suspicious graph behaviour, you got it right! :D



whew, im glad i got it right! hah

thats why journals/data tracking are so important, never again will you make that mistake.. vertical will defy age :)

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #288 on: May 08, 2010, 08:47:39 am »
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8 May 2010

Conditioning/recovery workout
Weight@session : ~193,5
Very sore from last workout , quads , butt , abductors and calves

-15' dynamic workout+light pace jog

-5 mins rest

-Interval sprints:
10x~80m sprints at ~60%
Dont know the distance exactly , but its more or less 80 , +-5
Starting every minute , it was ~20sec sprint , ~40 sec rest.

-5 mins rest

-Some mid-low effort jumps
-1x4 SVJs : ~26''
-2x4 RVJs : ~30''
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #289 on: May 10, 2010, 02:22:55 pm »
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10 May 2010

Basketball game.
My conditioning / basketball endurance is somewhere between  awfull and horrible!
I did only 2 RVJs to avoid fatigue , got 32'' at both, that was great because i didnt even have a proper warmup for max jumps , just shooting around and 2 medium effort RVJs before them.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #290 on: May 11, 2010, 03:23:36 pm »
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STRENGTH BLOCK A   :  2:1:0  :  STRENGTH - STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE
STRENGTH BLOCK B   :  2:1:0  :  STRENGTH - STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE
EXPLOSIVE BLOCK A  :  1:2:0  :  STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE - EXPLOSIVE
EXPLOSIVE BLOCK B  :  1:2:0  :  STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE - EXPLOSIVE
STIM BLOCK               :  0:0:X  :  MSEM - MSEM - MSEM - MSEM - MSEM
 
GREEN = DONE


11 May 2010

Weight@session: ~195
Upper body + MSEM squats , not listed above.


SQUATS:
MSEM :  , ~45sec rest between reps , ~4mins between sets
2x1@254 , parallel or 1-2'' below.
2x1@265 , ~2'' above parallel.

BENCH PRESS :
1x6@121 ( -11lbs )
1x5@143
1x5@154 ( +11lbs )
1x15@110 ( +11lbs )

WIDE GRIP LAT PULL :
The machine i usually do them was taken , the free one did not have a normal cable but a rubber one.
It felt like shit , 100% unnatural , i did 2x6@132 and canceled

BICEPS STANDING DB CURLS:
3x12@28,6 each hand

TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS ( ROPE ) :
3x12@88

« Last Edit: May 11, 2010, 06:43:13 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #291 on: May 12, 2010, 02:27:05 pm »
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12 May 2010

"7 Days Vertical Jump Cure" routine.
My usual lower body stretch routine.

- Note : as always , i forgot core and stretching again. Must do it more often...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #292 on: May 13, 2010, 01:57:37 pm »
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STRENGTH BLOCK A   :  2:1:0  :  STRENGTH - STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE
STRENGTH BLOCK B   :  2:1:0  :  STRENGTH - STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE
EXPLOSIVE BLOCK A  :  1:2:0  :  STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE - EXPLOSIVE
EXPLOSIVE BLOCK B  :  1:2:0  :  STRENGTH - EXPLOSIVE - EXPLOSIVE
STIM BLOCK               :  0:0:X  :  MSEM - MSEM - MSEM - MSEM - MSEM
GREEN = DONE


13 May 2010

Weight@session: ~198. Stuffed with food & water , full of energy , feeling great!
Strength block A , 2nd strength workout.

SQUATS ( normal sets , not MSEM ):
1x6@209
1x6@220 , ( +11lbs )
1x6@231 , ( +11lbs )
1x6@242 , ( +22lbs , 6rep PR )
209 was ATG , 220 and 231 were parallel and 242 was 2'' above parallel.

BSS :
1x8@154
1x8@176 ( +11lbs , 8rep PR tie )
1x8@187 ( +11lbs , 8rep PR )

CALVE RAISES:
All the heavy plates were taken so i had to do 1-leg raises , each set was 12 reps each leg.
1x12@66 ( projected 2-leg load = 264lbs )
1x12@88 ( projected 2-leg load = 374lbs , PR tie )
1x10@110 ( too hard, form cracking down, projected 2-leg load = 418lbs, HUGE PR!!! )

Awesome workout , and i still feel fresh!

Green/red = differences from equal sets from previous same workout.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2010, 02:00:56 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #293 on: May 13, 2010, 02:08:48 pm »
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good numbers on those BSS man, i could never do them very well..
BW: 74kg
Ht: 174cm, 5'8
reach: 220cm

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #294 on: May 13, 2010, 02:51:19 pm »
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Those x8 BSS series are killers.
I speak for personal experience.
Doing 8 reps with that load? insane.
that's a BIG PR.

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #295 on: May 13, 2010, 03:28:54 pm »
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good numbers on those BSS man, i could never do them very well..

Those x8 BSS series are killers.
I speak for personal experience.
Doing 8 reps with that load? insane.
that's a BIG PR.

once again: respect.

Thanks guys!
Note that i'm doing them on the smith machine, maybe that helps , i dont know.
But yeah , i cant believe i can do 8x187 now. It was a true 8RM though , rep 8 took like 5 seconds , i thought id never go up :D
Also note that i was 198 lbs at that session , so its only 0,95*BW. Equal load for someone weighting 160lbs would be ~150lbs.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #296 on: May 14, 2010, 05:37:19 am »
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Hey Andrew , need some tips/corrections at designing the explosive & peak workouts.

I am thinking:

EXPLOSIVE :
18''DJs 4x5
REA squat 4x3 (@30% 1RM? )
BSS 3x5 , should i do something like pause at bottom or lower load + explosive eccentric or/and concentric?
Calves : 3x8? or leave it 3x12? Do calves training affect the whole explosive thing?

PEAK:
3x5 27'' DJs ( i dont have other heights , its either 18'' or 27'' ).
REA squat 3x3
MSEM squat 2x3x1@100%
BSS : 2x2x1@100%
Calves : 3x12? 3x8? 4x5? No clue

Note for calves : Maximum load at that machine i am using is 374lbs , and i can hit 12reps in good form at that load.
So maybe i should do other things in those explosive & peak workouts? Like loaded single leg raises , or explosive , or holds at top/bottom , or.... what?

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #297 on: May 14, 2010, 06:00:55 am »
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Hey Andrew , need some tips/corrections at designing the explosive & peak workouts.

I am thinking:

EXPLOSIVE :
18''DJs 4x5
REA squat 4x3 (@30% 1RM? )
BSS 3x5 , should i do something like pause at bottom or lower load + explosive eccentric or/and concentric?
Calves : 3x8? or leave it 3x12? Do calves training affect the whole explosive thing?

4x5 is good from 18, but, you havn't been doing dj's so at least 1 session at 2x5, then next session at 3x5, then hit 4x5.

REA i'd start around 30% just to get the form down, but you can go all the way up to 70%... you'll end up getting a good training effect from 40-50% imo.

for BSS, definitely go PAUSE at the bottom, that is a good exercise for the glutes.

be careful with the calf stuff when doing higher volume dj's (20 jumps), so start off like 1x8-12 and see how you feel.. If you feel fine, throw in the 3x8-12 with shorter rest intervals than you normally do.. Calf training can 'effect it negatively' if they are fatigued ya, but it doesn't sound like you are fatiguing them too much from the calf raises you do?


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PEAK:
3x5 27'' DJs ( i dont have other heights , its either 18'' or 27'' ).
REA squat 3x3
MSEM squat 2x3x1@100%
BSS : 2x2x1@100%
Calves : 3x12? 3x8? 4x5? No clue

I like this workout, but just go light on the calfs at the end.


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Note for calves : Maximum load at that machine i am using is 374lbs , and i can hit 12reps in good form at that load.
So maybe i should do other things in those explosive & peak workouts? Like loaded single leg raises , or explosive , or holds at top/bottom , or.... what?

nah, when incorporating all those dj's, you don't need to go that route.. the calf raises at the end are simply for a tonic/blood flow effect in workouts like these, you definitely don't want to overstress the ankles, dj's take care of that.

if you weren't doing dj's, i'd say shorten rest intervals between sets and incorporate even higher rep sets..

peace man

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #298 on: May 14, 2010, 06:23:03 am »
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Niceee, thanks a lot man!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #299 on: May 15, 2010, 08:44:42 am »
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14 May 2010
Just stretching.

15 May 2010
"7 Days Vertical Jump Cure" routine.
My usual lower body stretch routine.

Right hip flexor bugging me lately. I dont know if its too tight or too weak. I guess too tight , because the hip flexor raises with the 3 sec pause on top are way too easy and i dont feel it bugging doing them. I do feel it bugging when i stretch though. Anyway , nothing too much , barely feeling it. Will try to stretch hip flexors more often for a while and see what happens.
DOMS : quads just a bit , glutes and calves a lot more. I cant go run or jump as i planned with so sore glutes and calves , but im very happy that i managed to hit them so hard! :D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?