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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1095 on: July 07, 2011, 01:29:00 pm »
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WTF, you have a 3x330 squat PR? Full squat or what is going on there?

By the way, I usually measure the hangtime from the time the heel gets off the ground to the time the heel touches/should touch the ground.

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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1096 on: July 08, 2011, 05:33:41 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on July 07, 2011, 01:29:00 pm
WTF, you have a 3x330 squat PR? Full squat or what is going on there?

Noooo way full squat , it was 90 degrees half squat.
I never maxed out my full squat , most recent PR performance was 5 sets of 3 reps @ 242lbs (110kg )


Quote from: Raptor on July 07, 2011, 01:29:00 pm
By the way, I usually measure the hangtime from the time the heel gets off the ground to the time the heel touches/should touch the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0UOGS7BrKE

This has been discussed here:
http://www.adarq.org/forum/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/about-the-hangtime-based-vertical-jump-calculators/
Flatfoot to flatfoot is also wrong , overestimates the jump. I think the best estimation is ( hangtime calculated jump toes-off to toes-landing ) + ( reach in toes - flatfooted reach ).
I never measure hangtime anymore , recording highest touch on measured rims is the way.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Quote from: adarqui on May 17, 2021, 04:57:01 pm
it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1097 on: July 10, 2011, 01:43:42 pm »
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10 July 2011

So my back was feeling 100% this weekend. Did a few pistol squats yesterday and it didn't bug a bit.
I was 190lbs ( season low ) , feeling great, decided to caff up and go ME jumping.

10 minutes dynamic warmup , feeling very springy and powerfull.

Warmup jumps sequence:

3xlow effort DLRVJs : 29'' - 30'' - 31''
3xmid effort dropsteps : 31'' - 31'' - 31''
3xmax effort 1-step lead in jumps : 32,5'' , POP!!!

Fucking back got pulled again , WTF , BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Waited 5 mins , attempted to jump again but it was like i was cut in half , although back doesn't hurt , barely bugs , but i have this feeling that if i try to transfer power it will be torn in pieces!

Tomorrow ( if able ) im going back to lifting , ME jumps are impossible as it seems, most i can achieve is re-injury...



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« Last Edit: July 10, 2011, 01:50:13 pm by vag »
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1098 on: July 10, 2011, 02:04:01 pm »
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what are you doing for prehab/mobility/strengthening for your back? that kind of thing shouldn't happen as frequently as it seems to happen to you. and yes, i know you're (kind of) old and blah blah blah.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1099 on: July 10, 2011, 05:03:20 pm »
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Maybe you have the same piriformis syndrome as I had?
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1100 on: July 11, 2011, 04:30:45 am »
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I think it is just a muscle pull that i don't allow to recover and i keep reinjuring. I tend to do that (stupid ) on all kind of injuries , whenever i feel 100% , i say 'oh , nice, im back' and go ME , big mistake. I also didn't do anything at all recovery-wise , stupid too. I don't get injured often ( more like almost never ) so i don't really know how to handle injuries.   :-\

Anyway , there are 3 weeks left before holidays so i decided to call it a season vert-wise. I will go GPP those last 3 weeks and after holidays i will chase vert like crazy until my birthday (end of October ).

Also ,what kind of mobility/strengthening/recovery specific work would you suggest for a typical back pull?
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1101 on: July 11, 2011, 08:29:45 am »
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I have no experience with injuries, but what I personally did was a lot of piriformis stretches throughout the day.

If you can't bend with your legs straigth to touch the ground and feel pain in the buttock of a leg or in the hamstring (knee area of the hamstring) then it might be the piriformis syndrome.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1102 on: July 11, 2011, 02:13:35 pm »
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11 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : 190.5
Injuries/aches : back? ( doesn't bug but i know i can't push it )
Soreness : none

PARALLEL BOX PISTOL SQUATS ( 1:1:1 ):
4x6@BW+45lbs.
-Weirdly those were the best i've ever done, WTF?

BSS ( 1:1:1 ):
3x8@BW+45lbs

SINGLE LEG CALVE RAISES ( 1:2:1 ):
3x15@BW

Gym subscription has ended and im not sure i can squat heavy with that back, so i will keep it @home and i will try to progress those exercises ( tempo , reps , load ) until back is 110%.
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1103 on: July 11, 2011, 04:01:57 pm »
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I don't think it was that weird you did good in the pistols, you probably haven't exercised as hard with your back injury so you rested your legs better.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1104 on: July 13, 2011, 05:11:09 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on July 11, 2011, 04:01:57 pm
I don't think it was that weird you did good in the pistols, you probably haven't exercised as hard with your back injury so you rested your legs better.

Well i haven't lifted from 24 june , that is 17 days, i definitely expected to be detrained than just deloaded/rested.
Possibly tapering / milking the gains from the high-frequency block ? Or just a random very good day? Next sessions will answer that.


12 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : 192.5
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : quads 1/5 , hamstrings&calves 2/5 , glutes 3.5/5

Conditioning/recovery workout

WARMUP:
-10 mins dynamic warmup

SPRINTS:
2x5x60m @ 100%
-Sprint ( ~11.## ) , rest until 60 seconds from prev start , repeat. Rest between sets ~3 mins.
-Very nice, light , springy , good stuff.

3 mins rest

10xDLRVJs ( 45 seconds rest )
-All jumps 30'' to 31'' , no quad burning , no back bugging , very nice.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1105 on: July 13, 2011, 05:56:44 am »
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When I had my back problem I think I stayed about one month away from lifting. Didn't lose anything at all. I also had a period of no squatting when I had my knee thing, for about 3 months, and didn't lose anything as well.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1106 on: July 16, 2011, 03:09:06 pm »
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16 July 2011

Bodyweight@session : ~190
Injuries/aches : none
Soreness : none

Got those stitches from my back removed so couldn't do any dynamic stuff.

EXPLOSIVE PARALLEL BOX PISTOL SQUATS ( 1:1:1 ):
10x2@BW+45lbs.
-Awesome

SL KING DEADLIFT ( 1:1:1 ):
3x8@BW+45lbs

SINGLE LEG CALVE RAISES ( 1:2:1 ):
3x20@BW
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1107 on: July 16, 2011, 04:04:41 pm »
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Pistols. Nice. I like pistol squats. Theyre very cool. Never seen them done to a box though.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1108 on: July 16, 2011, 04:18:24 pm »
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Quote from: Flander on July 16, 2011, 04:04:41 pm
Pistols. Nice. I like pistol squats. Theyre very cool. Never seen them done to a box though.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTLk7RKdcE8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTLk7RKdcE8</a>

Like this , but i am holding 10kg dumbells in each hand and i am not a hot blonde  :P
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1109 on: July 16, 2011, 04:28:49 pm »
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Quote from: vag on July 16, 2011, 04:18:24 pm
and i am not a hot blonde  :P

Like, who cares? As long as you can pistol squat, we can date each other.
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps
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