Author Topic: Age vs VO2max (Read 1601740 times)

vag · « **Reply #75 on:** December 04, 2009, 03:54:23 am »

Quote from: adarqui on December 03, 2009, 08:26:39 pm

Quote from: vag on December 03, 2009, 06:34:20 pm

Vertical testing ( verified with cam ) :
Weight at session : 198lbs
2x5 standing : average ~26,5'' , best was 27''
3x5 running : average ~30'' , best was 31''
PRs my ass $:-\$

just a bad day? you had 33-34" a week ago or so..

I have no clue! 33'' was just 3 days before that! And it didnt feel like a bad day , i was ok.
Wood-concrete difference?
Unrecovered?
Maybe the other rim was lower or this one higher?
I dont know but it sucks! next try = Sunday night

vag · « **Reply #76 on:** December 04, 2009, 12:41:04 pm »

Quote from: LBSS on December 01, 2009, 10:18:34 pm

Whatever that's a hell of a lot closer than i can get at the moment.

Its all about the reach.
I see in your log you are 71'' tall and your reach is 90''.
I am ~73'' tall and my reach is ~95'' , both in shoes.
5'' is a LOT!

Still , you are squating more or less the same with me, being ~30lbs lighter and having ~8% less bodyfat.
Those should be giving you those 5'' IMO, maybe even more!
Have you tried any running jumps lately?

vag · « **Reply #77 on:** December 06, 2009, 05:33:40 pm »

6 December 2009

Vertical jump testing + 9'10'' dunk session.

Weight at session : ~197lbs

SVJ : ~27,5'' ( equals PR )
RVJ : ~32'' ( equals PR )
Those 2 numbers are becoming a huge plateau!

Dunks : 0/25. I was trying to level up at this height and throw down hard , so i missed them all!

adarqui · « **Reply #78 on:** December 06, 2009, 08:24:32 pm »

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Dunks : 0/25. I was trying to level up at this height and throw down hard , so i missed them all!

i know all to well how that goes.. hehe

vag · « **Reply #79 on:** December 07, 2009, 04:21:19 am »

Quote from: adarqui on December 06, 2009, 08:24:32 pm

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Dunks : 0/25. I was trying to level up at this height and throw down hard , so i missed them all!

i know all to well how that goes.. hehe

Yeah , its pretty similar to your story:
I stoped aproaching with the ball in hands , so i can get my max vertical at dunk attempts.
But i suck at throwing self lobs, so all my tries were off the backboard dunks.
I was filming too and indeed all the jumps were maximal , that allwasys happens when chasing the ball in the air & not thinking!
But 7'11'' + 32'' = 10'7'' , so only 9'' above the 9'10'' rim... so 0/25.
Still , hard misses like that felt much better than normal makes with the ball in hands...

adarqui · « **Reply #80 on:** December 07, 2009, 06:12:16 am »

Quote from: vag on December 07, 2009, 04:21:19 am

Quote from: adarqui on December 06, 2009, 08:24:32 pm
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Dunks : 0/25. I was trying to level up at this height and throw down hard , so i missed them all!

i know all to well how that goes.. hehe

Yeah , its pretty similar to your story:
I stoped aproaching with the ball in hands , so i can get my max vertical at dunk attempts.
But i suck at throwing self lobs, so all my tries were off the backboard dunks.
I was filming too and indeed all the jumps were maximal , that allwasys happens when chasing the ball in the air & not thinking!
But 7'11'' + 32'' = 10'7'' , so only 9'' above the 9'10'' rim... so 0/25.
Still , hard misses like that felt much better than normal makes with the ball in hands...

ya man.. even tho i'd get pissed slamming it down nasty and having it rim out, i still love lobs much more than runups.. i had problems dunking consistently on lobs at 10'9 touch also.. at 11' i finally started landing a high percentage.. i love just losing myself going up for the lob too, like you said, no thinking, i just react, but the feeling is great.

cya man

vag · « **Reply #81 on:** December 07, 2009, 05:17:57 pm »

7 December 2009

BENCH PRESS :
2x5@143lbs
2x5@154lbs ( Equals PR )
30sec rest , 1x12@121lbs

WIDE GRIP LAT PULLDOWN:
1x6@165lbs
1x6@176lbs
1x6@187lbs ( Equals PR )
30 sec rest , 1x12@143lbs

BICEP CURLS : 3x8 , 28,5lbs dumbell in each hand

TRICEP PULLDOWNS ( ROPE ) : 3x12@66lbs

Probably last bulking day...

vag · « **Reply #82 on:** December 08, 2009, 07:50:24 am »

Something interesting:
I discovered why i kept mistaking the rim heights. I was measuring the difference of the rims with my highest reach.
My reach was measured from the difference of my ceiling, and it gave 242cm in shoes, thats 95,27'' or 7' 11&1/4''
I finaly got a pro measuring tape so i could measure high objects accurately and i discovered i was wrong at most rims.
Yesterday i remeasured my reach , normally this time , and boom! I was off there too , so it all makes sense.
I was off by 2cm , i measured repeatedly to make sure.
My standing reach is ~240cm in shoes. Thats 94,5'' or 7' 10&1/2''.
Doesnt really change anything , i dont care if my VJ PRs are ~0,8'' higher, my highest touch is still at ~10'7''.

adarqui · « **Reply #83 on:** December 08, 2009, 04:13:40 pm »

Quote from: vag on December 08, 2009, 07:50:24 am

Something interesting:
I discovered why i kept mistaking the rim heights. I was measuring the difference of the rims with my highest reach.
My reach was measured from the difference of my ceiling, and it gave 242cm in shoes, thats 95,27'' or 7' 11&1/4''
I finaly got a pro measuring tape so i could measure high objects accurately and i discovered i was wrong at most rims.
Yesterday i remeasured my reach , normally this time , and boom! I was off there too , so it all makes sense.
I was off by 2cm , i measured repeatedly to make sure.
My standing reach is ~240cm in shoes. Thats 94,5'' or 7' 10&1/2''.
Doesnt really change anything , i dont care if my VJ PRs are ~0,8'' higher, my highest touch is still at ~10'7''.

ah..

i've had my reach fluctuate.. from 96" to 95".. seems my lats get tight.. weirdness.

isn't your bodyweight significantly more now, than your 10'7 touch from months back?

i used to factor in my BW in claiming PR's.. for example I'd heavy PR's at 170 lb.. once i hit 10'11" at 172 i knew I would be flying at 160 lb.. cleaning up diet, transitioning into a more power / less fatigue block, and losing some of that bulk water retention from the higher volume/fatigue workouts.. worked good.

peace

vag · « **Reply #84 on:** December 08, 2009, 05:20:25 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on December 08, 2009, 04:13:40 pm

ah..

i've had my reach fluctuate.. from 96" to 95".. seems my lats get tight.. weirdness.

isn't your bodyweight significantly more now, than your 10'7 touch from months back?

i used to factor in my BW in claiming PR's.. for example I'd heavy PR's at 170 lb.. once i hit 10'11" at 172 i knew I would be flying at 160 lb.. cleaning up diet, transitioning into a more power / less fatigue block, and losing some of that bulk water retention from the higher volume/fatigue workouts.. worked good.

peace

LOL , my thoughts exactly.
Summer's 10'7'' was totaly rested , ~175lbs , ~14%bodyfat
Sunday's 10'7'' was 72hrs after squating to failure , ~200lbs , ~18%bf
And i always use that 'relative VJ' on my calcs and plans but now i must chase the absolute VJ value PR

adarqui · « **Reply #85 on:** December 08, 2009, 08:26:06 pm »

Quote from: vag on December 08, 2009, 05:20:25 pm

Quote from: adarqui on December 08, 2009, 04:13:40 pm
ah..

i've had my reach fluctuate.. from 96" to 95".. seems my lats get tight.. weirdness.

isn't your bodyweight significantly more now, than your 10'7 touch from months back?

i used to factor in my BW in claiming PR's.. for example I'd heavy PR's at 170 lb.. once i hit 10'11" at 172 i knew I would be flying at 160 lb.. cleaning up diet, transitioning into a more power / less fatigue block, and losing some of that bulk water retention from the higher volume/fatigue workouts.. worked good.

peace

LOL , my thoughts exactly.
Summer's 10'7'' was totaly rested , ~175lbs , ~14%bodyfat
Sunday's 10'7'' was 72hrs after squating to failure , ~200lbs , ~18%bf
And i always use that 'relative VJ' on my calcs and plans but now i must chase the absolute VJ value PR

damn you put on alot of weight.. good work

ya i feel you.. maintain strength, cut some of the flub off, lose a little bit of water retention = definite PR time.

its just imperative to maintain strength levels on squat etc if you decide to lean up a bit.. so you could either keep going and building squat/adding muscle (a little bit of fat too)..

if you maintain strength levels, then going right back into strength phase becomes alot easier.. in this way it doesn't feel like yo-yo'ing..

when i'd cut fat/excess water, i'd make sure each week i could hit (or exceed) a single or double on squat that I could hit prior to the cut.. if i couldnt hit that single/double i'd up the calories a bit.

vag · « **Reply #86 on:** December 09, 2009, 03:18:28 am »

Quote from: adarqui on December 08, 2009, 08:26:06 pm

its just imperative to maintain strength levels on squat etc if you decide to lean up a bit.. so you could either keep going and building squat/adding muscle (a little bit of fat too)..

if you maintain strength levels, then going right back into strength phase becomes alot easier.. in this way it doesn't feel like yo-yo'ing..

when i'd cut fat/excess water, i'd make sure each week i could hit (or exceed) a single or double on squat that I could hit prior to the cut.. if i couldnt hit that single/double i'd up the calories a bit.

Yeah, thats exactly the current plan. I was planing to keep my current weights schedule ( strength oriented ) , just stop overeating and add in DJs , squat jumps , sprints and cardio. Ill still be overeating the squating day and undereat the others.
What about that 'excess water' thing? Ive heard it many times from people but never read something relevant. What is that state , why does it happen and what you have to do to avoid it?

LBSS · « **Reply #87 on:** December 09, 2009, 04:46:52 pm »

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What about that 'excess water' thing? Ive heard it many times from people but never read something relevant. What is that state , why does it happen and what you have to do to avoid it?

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html.

adarqui · « **Reply #88 on:** December 09, 2009, 08:31:01 pm »

ya nice link.. when you're bulking / training with high volume, water retension is a sure thing.. heavy carb diets intensify this effect..

it's not something you should worry about until you need to shed some of that water.. it's real simple though, just reduce carb intake, replace it with veggies + up the protein and you're good.. i mean, normally it doesn't even matter, but if you have an easy 5 lb of water you could safely lose, its worth it IMO when you're trying to PR.. i always feel better when i clean up diet and lean out too..

one of my best dunk sessions came from cleaning up my diet very good for 1 week and losing around 7 lb of water or so.. 170 to 163 in a week, same strength level, felt great, and got up about 2-3" higher.

peace

vag · « **Reply #89 on:** December 10, 2009, 04:23:04 am »

Thanks both , very useful advice & article...
Ya , now i understand what it is. It is that "lag" that i see when starting / stoping bulking with heavy carbs... like there are ~6-7lbs that magically appear when you start bulking and magically dissapear when you start leaning...

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