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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3360 on: July 25, 2017, 06:47:08 am »
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^Never said it makes you feel awesome, said it "Makes you feel it makes you stronger and fitter at the same time". Add that to 2 weeks of zero training and doing lunges for the first time in over a year and you've got the crazy legs DOMS equation working.  :P
Besides joking, i love how intense this program is, makes you feel awesome AFTER, but during it it's pure hell. Worse part is right after the 1st superset of lunges-pullups. HR is stabilized in +170 after sets +150 before, muscle fatigue kicks in good from the 5 supersets done so far, yet you are not even halfway done. At that time i feel i want to puke, cry like a baby and rage-smash everything, all at the same time. But at the end the reward feeling is awesome. Should be kinda similar to distance running, no?



24 July 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : legs everywhere 4.5/5. Lats traps shoulders and abs also sore but normal, 2.5/5
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

SUPERSET 1 - ATG SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
-Legs are much stronger than 65kg but also too sore to try. OHP 4x8 at this weight is around limit strength.

SUPERSET 2 - DB LUNGES ++ PULLUPS:
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 8
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 8
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 8 ( +1 rep )
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 7 ( +1 rep )
-Turns out it was the lunges that destroyed my legs. Every muscle contracted during them hurt crazy, which was not the case in squats.
Good progress in pullups. Nearly 4x8 in such a fatigued state is something i can be proud of.

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
18@50kg ( +3 reps ) ++ 15
15@60kg ( +2 reps ) ++ 15
10@70kg ++ 15
5@80kg ++ 15
-Adapting to high-rep RDL. Top set is rather easy, might up.

Used same loads everywhere because of DOMS. Might up tomorrow. Just 2 workouts left so doesn't make a big difference anyway.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2017, 06:59:53 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3361 on: July 25, 2017, 03:42:42 pm »
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^Never said it makes you feel awesome, said it "Makes you feel it makes you stronger and fitter at the same time". Add that to 2 weeks of zero training and doing lunges for the first time in over a year and you've got the crazy legs DOMS equation working.  :P
Besides joking, i love how intense this program is, makes you feel awesome AFTER, but during it it's pure hell. Worse part is right after the 1st superset of lunges-pullups. HR is stabilized in +170 after sets +150 before, muscle fatigue kicks in good from the 5 supersets done so far, yet you are not even halfway done. At that time i feel i want to puke, cry like a baby and rage-smash everything, all at the same time. But at the end the reward feeling is awesome. Should be kinda similar to distance running, no?

yeah definitely. trying to run faster than you normally do, ie in race situations or trying to push yourself in training, is just pure hell. It really isn't fun at all, to me at least. The end result though, feels amazing. Hitting those PR's or winning races, makes you forget the pain for a second. I personally can't think of any lifting session which has come close to that. The only thing that's come close for me, was hard sparring in boxing, against someone who is trying to kill you round after round. That's a kind of hell, but you don't really think about quitting - there's no time to think about it. You just exist, defend, attack, survive until it's over. I think i've said in previous posts in my journal, that one of the keys to becoming faster is to try and acknowledge that quit voice when it comes, and realize that's when the game starts. You can tell if you're really pushing yourself simply by how loud that voice becomes. Running faster, relative to the individual, is in many parts mental warfare.

Dunk/vert training is just much more fun.. the process of achieving PR's itself is similarly difficult/grueling, (edit: harder to perceive and achieve vert progress, we don't measure millimeters, and even if we did, they don't matter as much as seconds), but, the enjoyment factor of the process is waaaay better than running. Vert training for the most part is pretty damn fun. Even these kinds of GPP circuits or MEBM sets etc, are grueling but fun.

Running fast, to me, is just non stop hell. I mean, when all your brain is doing is telling you to quit, and you just have to keep going, hard for that to be fun.

Compare that to a dunk session.. "just one more dunk" x 100. Legs dead, but still testing to see if you can get some juice back. Much more enjoyable IMHO hah.

SQUAT/MEBM related DOMS is on another level though.. Never experienced anything close to that with distance running training. The only thing that was equivalent, was high volume bodyweight lunges - which is incredible when you think about it. I remember not even a year ago, having extreme soreness for over 7 days from high rep BW walking lunges. I'd only expect to experience something like that in lifting, when incorporating MEBM out of nowhere or an equivalent high volume set/rep scheme like 10x10, without working up to it.

Interesting how the DOMS from running/sprinting isn't really comparable to vert training, at least in my experience.

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24 July 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : legs everywhere 4.5/5. Lats traps shoulders and abs also sore but normal, 2.5/5
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

SUPERSET 1 - ATG SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
6@65kg ++ 8@35kg
-Legs are much stronger than 65kg but also too sore to try. OHP 4x8 at this weight is around limit strength.

SUPERSET 2 - DB LUNGES ++ PULLUPS:
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 8
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 8
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 8 ( +1 rep )
6 each leg @ 14kg each hand ++ 7 ( +1 rep )
-Turns out it was the lunges that destroyed my legs. Every muscle contracted during them hurt crazy, which was not the case in squats.
Good progress in pullups. Nearly 4x8 in such a fatigued state is something i can be proud of.

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
18@50kg ( +3 reps ) ++ 15
15@60kg ( +2 reps ) ++ 15
10@70kg ++ 15
5@80kg ++ 15
-Adapting to high-rep RDL. Top set is rather easy, might up.

Used same loads everywhere because of DOMS. Might up tomorrow. Just 2 workouts left so doesn't make a big difference anyway.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3362 on: July 26, 2017, 10:48:12 am »
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^Nice post! :highfive:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3363 on: July 27, 2017, 04:53:41 am »
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26 July 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg
Soreness : glutes ( more than the other day, WTF ) and inner quads a lot. Some traps and lats.
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

SUPERSET 1 - ATG SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-67,5 still light for legs but also still too sore to really push.

SUPERSET 2 - DB LUNGES ++ PULLUPS:
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 8
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 8
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 7 ( -1 rep )
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 7
-Right glute felt like cramping at sets 3 and 4. Or strained. Can you strain your glute, WTF? Lost a rep at pullups, should have grinded 1 or 2 more at first sets, i could.

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@50kg ( +2 reps ) ++ 15
15@60kg ++ 15
10@75kg ( +5 kg ) ++ 15
5@85kg  ( +5 kg ) ++ 15
-Nice. Cramped/strained glute bugging a lot but sucked it up and did my reps.

Starting to adapt. 411kg ( ~900lbs ) increased tonnage. HR dropping under 150 now after the 2 minutes breaks. Pity there's no time for more, this is one killer program.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3364 on: July 30, 2017, 06:37:52 pm »
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26 July 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg
Soreness : glutes ( more than the other day, WTF ) and inner quads a lot. Some traps and lats.
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

SUPERSET 1 - ATG SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@67,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@37,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-67,5 still light for legs but also still too sore to really push.

SUPERSET 2 - DB LUNGES ++ PULLUPS:
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 8
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 8
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 7 ( -1 rep )
6 each leg @ 16kg each hand ( +2 kg each hand ) ++ 7
-Right glute felt like cramping at sets 3 and 4. Or strained. Can you strain your glute, WTF? Lost a rep at pullups, should have grinded 1 or 2 more at first sets, i could.

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@50kg ( +2 reps ) ++ 15
15@60kg ++ 15
10@75kg ( +5 kg ) ++ 15
5@85kg  ( +5 kg ) ++ 15
-Nice. Cramped/strained glute bugging a lot but sucked it up and did my reps.

Starting to adapt. 411kg ( ~900lbs ) increased tonnage. HR dropping under 150 now after the 2 minutes breaks. Pity there's no time for more, this is one killer program.

ya you can definitely strain a glute, but usually something strains first, such as the hamstrings.

got to be careful with glute strains, because usually it's something like the piriformis which can become quite a bitch to loosen up again .. my piriforimis was jacked up once for like 6+ months. had to do this crazy weird pretzel stretch & rolling on a tennis ball/baseball to make it chill out. that issue sucked.

but ya generally, interesting to think about how infrequent we see glute strains; usually something else strains first (hamstrings).

i imagine we'll see some pretty impressive numbers if we start seeing strained glutes more often, hah.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3365 on: August 01, 2017, 05:16:51 am »
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Turns out it was not a strain, just cramping or sth.

Forgot to log last workout of the season:

29 July 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~85,5kg
Soreness : glutes, inner quads, some lats.
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

SUPERSET 1 - ATG SQUAT ++ OHP:
6@70kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@40kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@70kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@40kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@70kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 7@40kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
6@70kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 6@40kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )

SUPERSET 2 - DB LUNGES ++ PULLUPS:
6 each leg @ 16kg ++ 10 ( +2 reps )
6 each leg @ 16kg ++ 9 ( +1 rep )
6 each leg @ 16kg ++ 8 ( +1 rep )
6 each leg @ 16kg ++ 7

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@52,5g ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 15
15@62,5g ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 15
10@77,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 15
5@87,5kg  ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 15

Strong finish!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3366 on: August 22, 2017, 06:15:41 am »
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Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3367 on: August 22, 2017, 08:46:07 am »
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Good bump timing, again. Got back home from holidays yesterday, hopefully gym tomorrow.  :highfive:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #3368 on: August 24, 2017, 05:12:11 am »
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Aaaand yet another training season starts, let's go!!!  :almostascoolasnyancat:

23 August 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@45kg
3@50kg

ATG SQUAT:
10@BW
8@20kg
8@30kg
6@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg

BENCH PRESS:
10@20kg
8@30kg
8@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg

DEAD-HANG PULLUPS:
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW

PAUSED STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
12@BW+50kg
12@BW+50kg
12@BW+50kg

-Everything nice and easy. Very happy with how it went, expected much much worse after all this time off.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #3369 on: August 26, 2017, 07:42:40 am »
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Thanks for all the love guys, really appreciate it!

26 August 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~84.5kg
Soreness : more or less everything but moderately
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER SNATCH:
5@20kg
5@25kg
5@30kg
3@35kg
2@40kg

RDL:
8@50kg
8@60kg
8@70kg

DIPS:
8@BW
8@BW
7@BW
7@BW
7@BW

DEAD-HANG CHINUPS:
7@BW
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW

PAUSED SEATED CALF RAISE MACHINE:
12@BW+40kg
12@BW+40kg
12@BW+40kg

Everything solid and taking it easy. Nice!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #3370 on: August 28, 2017, 07:50:51 am »
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So this season's training moto will be.... "quantity over quality" !!!  :o :o :o
Now as you all know this is an obvious lie from my side. There is no way i would compromise quality. What i really mean is that it is consistency i need to hit. I can AREG volume, intensity frequency etc without even writing them down. It is not the programming that holds me back, it is the consistency. I want to try and work out every single day i can. Not all weights, i want to substitute my off days with cardio/abs/stretching sessions.  Also, most important, minimize the losses when work&life attacks. Try to save whatever i can. I am at a very good place now, somewhat strong, somewhat lean, definitely fresh. A great base to build on. If this works as planned i could achieve good things. No promises, but that's the plan.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2017, 07:52:50 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3371 on: August 28, 2017, 11:12:31 pm »
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So this season's training moto will be.... "quantity over quality" !!!  :o :o :o
Now as you all know this is an obvious lie from my side. There is no way i would compromise quality. What i really mean is that it is consistency i need to hit. I can AREG volume, intensity frequency etc without even writing them down. It is not the programming that holds me back, it is the consistency. I want to try and work out every single day i can. Not all weights, i want to substitute my off days with cardio/abs/stretching sessions.  Also, most important, minimize the losses when work&life attacks. Try to save whatever i can. I am at a very good place now, somewhat strong, somewhat lean, definitely fresh. A great base to build on. If this works as planned i could achieve good things. No promises, but that's the plan.

awesome post, especially the part about minimizing losses when work/life attacks, that's always been the hardest thing for me. looking forward to more workouts :D I love doing something every day, even if it's just walking. Though, I don't like being "addicted". So having to workout HARD every day is something I definitely don't enjoy anymore - light days feel great. When I was lifting for dunking, I loved doing something every day too, even if it was just plate swings/bodyweight, walking, light sprints, or one work up set of squats.

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« Reply #3372 on: August 29, 2017, 08:50:49 am »
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^Yes, that's exactly the spirit. And circumstances are great this year, i have much better access to training facilities/spots to make it happen, just need to push my mindset to it.



28 August 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@50kg ( +5 kg )
3@55kg ( +5 kg )

ATG SQUAT:
8@20kg
5@40kg ( +10 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
5@50kg ( +10 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
5@60kg ( +10 kg )
5@65kg ( +5 kg )

BENCH PRESS:
8@20kg ( -2 reps )
5@40kg ( +10 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
5@50kg ( +10 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
5@60kg ( +10 kg )
5@65kg ( +5 kg )

DEAD-HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW ( +2 reps )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW

PAUSED STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
12@BW+55kg ( +5 kg )
12@BW+55kg ( +5 kg )
12@BW+55kg ( +5 kg )

-Here starts the progressive overloading, very nice. Best of all, legs feel stronger and fresher than any of the recent years, very enthusiastic about that!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #3373 on: August 31, 2017, 06:09:42 am »
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30 August 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~84.5kg
Soreness : none??? weird.
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER SNATCH:
5@20kg
5@25kg
5@30kg
3@35kg
3@40kg ( +1 rep )

RDL:
8@55kg ( +5 kg )
8@65kg ( +5 kg )
8@75kg ( +5 kg )

DB LUNGES:
6 each leg @ 12kg each hand
6 each leg @ 12kg each hand
6 each leg @ 12kg each hand

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
12@16kg each hand
12@16kg each hand
12@16kg each hand

BICEPS Z-BAR CURL:
12@25kg
12@25kg
12@25kg

TRICEPS PUSH DOWN:
12@120lbs
12@120lbs
12@120lbs
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #3374 on: September 04, 2017, 05:17:58 am »
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2 September 2017

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg ( AM  , unfed )
Soreness : glutes and 'mid' quads, from lunges
Injuries/aches : none

PUSH-PRESS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@45kg
3@50kg
-Nice, was afraid i'd be stuck lower but even 50kg was pretty smooth for first time.

HALF SQUAT:
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@70kg
5@80kg
5@90kg
-Welcome back to my beloved exercise that got me jumping high in the first place anyway. 90kg easy for legs but back not yet used to them.

DIPS:
10 8@BW ( +2 reps )
8@BW
8@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW

DEAD-HANG CHINUPS:
8@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW

PAUSED SEATED CALF RAISE MACHINE:
12@BW+50kg ( +10 kg )
12@BW+50kg ( +10 kg )
12@BW+50kg ( +10 kg )

I am feeling great, very strong and good for progress. Only missing link is cardio, my fitness state is shit! Gotta add those running sessions ASAP.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?