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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #570 on: August 16, 2010, 10:05:02 am »
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Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 05:41:24 am


Haha , yes , im really curious too , weaker + lighter + leaner = ???


You're lighter AND leaner after a vacation? Isn't it usually supposed to be the other way around for old farts like yourself?
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #571 on: August 16, 2010, 10:52:53 am »
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Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 10:05:02 am
You're lighter AND leaner after a vacation? Isn't it usually supposed to be the other way around for old farts like yourself?

Nah , on the contrary , think about it , in vacations being younger you consume much more junk food and alcohol...  ;)
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #572 on: August 16, 2010, 11:13:16 am »
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Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 10:52:53 am
Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 10:05:02 am
You're lighter AND leaner after a vacation? Isn't it usually supposed to be the other way around for old farts like yourself?

Nah , on the contrary , think about it , in vacations being younger you consume much more junk food and alcohol...  ;)

Yeah but you can get away with eating anything when you're 18 haha. When I was 17 and 18 I ate like a gallon of jello a week, sometimes with soft serve ice cream on top. Did not gain a pound that year.
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #573 on: August 16, 2010, 11:31:10 am »
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Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 11:13:16 am
Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 10:52:53 am
Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 10:05:02 am
You're lighter AND leaner after a vacation? Isn't it usually supposed to be the other way around for old farts like yourself?

Nah , on the contrary , think about it , in vacations being younger you consume much more junk food and alcohol...  ;)

Yeah but you can get away with eating anything when you're 18 haha. When I was 17 and 18 I ate like a gallon of jello a week, sometimes with soft serve ice cream on top. Did not gain a pound that year.

Haha  i was referring to "younger" as mid 20's :D
Now besides joking , nutrients partitioning does change a lot , but you can still control things pretty well at my age. Takes much more effort for the same ( or actually a little worse ) results, but standard things/rules still work.


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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #574 on: August 16, 2010, 12:01:15 pm »
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Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 11:31:10 am
Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 11:13:16 am
Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 10:52:53 am
Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 10:05:02 am
You're lighter AND leaner after a vacation? Isn't it usually supposed to be the other way around for old farts like yourself?

Nah , on the contrary , think about it , in vacations being younger you consume much more junk food and alcohol...  ;)

Yeah but you can get away with eating anything when you're 18 haha. When I was 17 and 18 I ate like a gallon of jello a week, sometimes with soft serve ice cream on top. Did not gain a pound that year.

Haha  i was referring to "younger" as mid 20's :D
Now besides joking , nutrients partitioning does change a lot , but you can still control things pretty well at my age. Takes much more effort for the same ( or actually a little worse ) results, but standard things/rules still work.




I know, I know. I was just messing with you.
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #575 on: August 16, 2010, 12:46:12 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 12:01:15 pm
Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 11:31:10 am
Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 11:13:16 am
Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 10:52:53 am
Quote from: LBSS on August 16, 2010, 10:05:02 am
You're lighter AND leaner after a vacation? Isn't it usually supposed to be the other way around for old farts like yourself?

Nah , on the contrary , think about it , in vacations being younger you consume much more junk food and alcohol...  ;)

Yeah but you can get away with eating anything when you're 18 haha. When I was 17 and 18 I ate like a gallon of jello a week, sometimes with soft serve ice cream on top. Did not gain a pound that year.

Haha  i was referring to "younger" as mid 20's :D
Now besides joking , nutrients partitioning does change a lot , but you can still control things pretty well at my age. Takes much more effort for the same ( or actually a little worse ) results, but standard things/rules still work.




I know, I know. I was just messing with you.

I know , feel free to do so anytime  ;D
That's why i said "besides joking" , thought i should drop some useful info too given the chance...
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Easy run : 5:48
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Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #576 on: August 16, 2010, 03:24:16 pm »
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16 August 2010

Vertical jump testing.
Weight at session : ~185
Jumping on concrete , 10' rim.
Was awfully hot again today , at 10pm that i came back home the local meteo station says temperature : 90'F / feels like :100'F
The burning concrete made it even worse , car's thermometer showed 95'F at court...

10' dynamic warmup , 2x10 sec DL line hops , bunch of low-mid effort jumps.

1x4 SVJs : 26'' to 27'' , one jump at 27,5''
1x4 dropstep DLRVJs : 30'' to 31''
1x4 1-step DLRVJs : 31'' to 32''
1x4 2-step DLRVJs : 32'' to 32,5'' , one jump at 33''
2x3 full runup DLRVJs : 30'' to 31'' , WTF?

Im guessing this dropoff was because of the heat. After seeing i cant get higher at full runup jumps i retried a few 1/2-step jumps , those were 30'' to 31'' too so i stopped.
Not bad at all , of course i didn't feel as powerful and explosive as 20 days ago but all jumps were much more fluid and high than what i expected.
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #577 on: August 16, 2010, 05:07:02 pm »
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Quote from: vag on August 16, 2010, 03:24:16 pm

16 August 2010

Vertical jump testing.
Weight at session : ~185
Jumping on concrete , 10' rim.
Was awfully hot again today , at 10pm that i came back home the local meteo station says temperature : 90'F / feels like :100'F
The burning concrete made it even worse , car's thermometer showed 95'F at court...

10' dynamic warmup , 2x10 sec DL line hops , bunch of low-mid effort jumps.

1x4 SVJs : 26'' to 27'' , one jump at 27,5''
1x4 dropstep DLRVJs : 30'' to 31''
1x4 1-step DLRVJs : 31'' to 32''
1x4 2-step DLRVJs : 32'' to 32,5'' , one jump at 33''
2x3 full runup DLRVJs : 30'' to 31'' , WTF?

Im guessing this dropoff was because of the heat. After seeing i cant get higher at full runup jumps i retried a few 1/2-step jumps , those were 30'' to 31'' too so i stopped.
Not bad at all , of course i didn't feel as powerful and explosive as 20 days ago but all jumps were much more fluid and high than what i expected.


definitely not bad considering the heat + detraining period.. good stuff.
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #578 on: August 17, 2010, 03:01:57 pm »
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THE RATIO TECHNIQUE BIG EXPERIMENT:






BLUE = current
ORANGE = pending
GREEN = done


17 August 2010

PHASE 1 - Cycle 1 - Hypertrophy Workout 1

Weight@session : ~187
Injuries/aches : none.
Soreness : crazy quad soreness from yesterday's jumping , as if i did high volume squatting , weird!!!

SQUATS:
1x6@121 , ATG
1x6@143 , ATG
1x6@165 , ATG
1x6@187 , half-squats ( quads hurting too much around parallel )

BSS:
1x8@88
1x8@110
1x8@132

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
1x15@198
1x15@242
1x15@286

« Last Edit: August 21, 2010, 05:50:04 am by vag »
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #579 on: August 18, 2010, 09:31:32 am »
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Finished planing my training scheme for this year... not gonna change much. Gonna post it later...

I thought it would be useful to post how im influenced planning my training though.
I want encourage people that are training for 1-2 years 'traditionaly' ( caught in week-based schemes , 'programs' etc ) to follow my path. It is something like a "how to regulate your training" blog-post. Adarqui you could enhance this for sure , but this is like a quick but very solid guide:

Evaluation:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/pathofchampions.html

Training guidelines:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/setsandreps.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/nonfunctionalmyth.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/relativestrengthmyth.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/plyomyths.html
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/verkhoshansky-notes-methods-ideology-gems-forum-responses/

Combining all that you get those:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/templates.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/theultimatesplit.html

But then you want to mix them with this:
http://www.inno-sport.net/Training%20Basics.htm

So finally... you end here:
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/the-ratio-technique/

My path was:
January 2007      -> May 2007 : general training ( 3xweek , standard reps-sets )
September 2007 -> November 2008 : VJB ( novice strength, intermediate strength , intermediate balanced )
January 2009      -> June 2009 : Ultimate Split
September 2009 -> March 2010 : Custom stuff : http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/templates.html
March 2010         -> August 2010 ( today ) : The Ratio Technique

So having passed from all those phases i wanted to share the "training method evolution".

Hope it can help some people...
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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #580 on: August 18, 2010, 02:37:29 pm »
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Quote from: vag on August 18, 2010, 09:31:32 am
Finished planing my training scheme for this year... not gonna change much. Gonna post it later...

I thought it would be useful to post how im influenced planning my training though.
I want encourage people that are training for 1-2 years 'traditionaly' ( caught in week-based schemes , 'programs' etc ) to follow my path. It is something like a "how to regulate your training" blog-post. Adarqui you could enhance this for sure , but this is like a quick but very solid guide:

Evaluation:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/pathofchampions.html

Training guidelines:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/setsandreps.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/nonfunctionalmyth.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/relativestrengthmyth.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/plyomyths.html
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/verkhoshansky-notes-methods-ideology-gems-forum-responses/

Combining all that you get those:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/templates.html
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/theultimatesplit.html

But then you want to mix them with this:
http://www.inno-sport.net/Training%20Basics.htm

So finally... you end here:
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/the-ratio-technique/

My path was:
January 2007      -> May 2007 : general training ( 3xweek , standard reps-sets )
September 2007 -> November 2008 : VJB ( novice strength, intermediate strength , intermediate balanced )
January 2009      -> June 2009 : Ultimate Split
September 2009 -> March 2010 : Custom stuff : http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/templates.html
March 2010         -> August 2010 ( today ) : The Ratio Technique

So having passed from all those phases i wanted to share the "training method evolution".

Hope it can help some people...


very nice man.. i would also post this in your age vs vert thread in special content :)

peace
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #581 on: August 18, 2010, 02:43:25 pm »
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wow, thats alot of material to read!
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #582 on: August 18, 2010, 03:02:17 pm »
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Quote from: cowed77 on August 18, 2010, 02:43:25 pm
wow, thats alot of material to read!

Yes but it's ultra useful! Its all you need to know and its presented in very concentrated and easy to comprehend way.
That's what i like the most about Kelly Baggett. He not only knows damn lot of stuff , but he has an amazing talent on picking what and how to make a complete article.
Andrew has that 'gift' too i think , they are my 2 fav coaches around the internet, and their connection was a very pleasant ( but probably expected ) surprise.

Reading those articles you will see there is some overlap between them , you will see the same things and principles here and there. I think you are a bit new to this whole reading/testing thing. Its very easy to get carried away and start trying this , that , next split , next approach... that would be wrong. Those articles are not supposed to tell you a magic secret and give a magic workout , they are supposed to make you learn how to train.
For that reason i also highly recommend this article:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/rocketscience.html

And those:
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/some-post-on-another-forum-why-people-fail/
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/making-progress-progressive-overload/

Also some extra advice , in all those articles , dont get caught in the various templates mentioned , they are great templates for sure but the main point is to understand what they try to say...

WTF is wrong with me today , im in a blogging mood...
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VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #583 on: August 18, 2010, 04:11:17 pm »
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Hijacking your own log  :D
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Re: vag's journal : Age vs Vertical
« Reply #584 on: August 18, 2010, 04:46:40 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on August 18, 2010, 04:11:17 pm
Hijacking your own log  :D

Hahaha , word! :D


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Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?
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