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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3150 on: June 08, 2016, 06:24:05 pm »
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8 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : chest, lats, triceps, traps, quads, hamstrings, glutes, abductors, calves, lol
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #6
Park day #1


Dynamic warmup

1000m jog
~7m30s , pretty decent, thought i was much slower

5 * standing broad jumps :
Best = ~2.1m
-ok

3 * 4 DL bounds :
Best = ~9m
-ok

3 * 60m @ 100% :
-Didn't have a max effort sprint in me.

5@150m @ 70%
-Consistent 35s, ok.

Pretty good overall. The de-training of 2+ weeks was obvious. Everything felt damn stiff, zero bounce. Add the DOMS everywhere from lifting and you get the picture. Overall rather happy with the performance i got, expected much worse.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3151 on: June 10, 2016, 05:16:29 am »
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9 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : mostly calves and VMOs, a little bit everywhere else
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #6
Gym day #2

PUSH PRESS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
3@50kg

DEADLIFT:
5@60kg
4@80kg
3@90kg
2@100kg
1@110kg
1@120kg
RDL: 2*8@70kg

DIPS:
6@BW
6@BW
5@BW
PUSH-UPS to failure: 20

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
5@BW
5@BW
5@BW
CHEST SUPPORTED HORIZONTAL ROWS MACHINE: 15@40kg

Pretty well for a comeback session.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2016, 06:14:18 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3152 on: June 15, 2016, 05:42:00 am »
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14 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #7
Gym day #1


HANG POWER FULL CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg ( +2 reps )
3@50kg
- I have no idea why, just felt like doing full cleans. They proved to be cool, dive bombing a front squat after cleaning is somehow funny and enjoyable.

ATG SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@70kg
3@80kg ( extra set )
1@90kg ( extra set )
-It is coming back. ATG > BW after a loong long time.

BENCH PRESS:
5@60kg
5@60kg
5@60kg
19@45kg ( +4 reps )
-Much stronger than last time. 5s@60 were unnaturally easy and fast for my girly bench.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
6@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW ( +1 rep )
LAT PULLDOWN: 15@130lbs
-Somewhat better.

LEG PRESS CALF 'RAISE':
12@200lbs ( +50 lbs )
12@250lbs ( +50 lbs )
12@300lbs ( +50 lbs )

Too much work and summer going on. Have trouble keeping up with training. I'll just keep grinding, little is better than none.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2016, 05:45:12 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3153 on: June 17, 2016, 06:39:19 am »
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16 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : quads, hamstrings, glutes, abductors, calves, all just a little though
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #7
Park day #1


Dynamic warmup

5 * standing broad jumps :
Best = ~2.3m, repeatable
-Great, was stuck at 2.1 for ages.
I think that is a PR. I have 2.4 recorded the first week but i think i was measuring wrong ( heel to heel, not toe to heel ). Progress anyway.

3 * 4 DL bounds :
Best = ~9.3m
-Great here too.

3 * 60m @ 100% :
-Cancelled again. Didn't feel like ME sprint. Decided to do more volume tempo.

10@150m @ 70%, starting every 2 minutes.
-Awesome. 10x150 without actual rest is no joke for me ( i don't rest in place at all, i run ~35s, walk back ~80s , restart ) . Heart rate at end of run is 170-175, at next start 145-150.
Had problems controlling intensity: At first 3 runs I was 2-3s faster than i wanted. Next one that i tried to slow down i was 2-3s slower thatn i wanted. Then fatigue kicked in so my 'faster' runs dropped to where they should be ( 35s , PR=25s ).

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3154 on: June 17, 2016, 01:43:26 pm »
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^^^ nice job on the 150s.  You seem like your officially in shape... Time to begin jumping vertically a lot to get some massive PRs.  I love this modified sorta long to short training...

Trick to doing your intervals is always start out fast no matter how much it hurts.  We would do a similar workout on a 400m track... Run a 150, decelerate  and walk 50 meters.  Stop.  Do 10 push-ups.  Run.  Did 150s in 18-25 and goal is always to get under 20 mins total... Would probably take me 30-40 mins now...

We always run first 50 meters hard acceleration (~85% or about 7 seconds). Then on the first few reps you just turn off for the last 100m and are basically striding and not running and still run around 23... On the last few reps to get that same time feels like a massive challenge for the last 100m... But keeping the first 50m fast is the only way to accomplish getting all reps done in close to equal time... If you allow yourself to start slow on fatigued reps (usually cause u ran too hard on the first couple you end up with first reps st 18 and last reps at 35 lol). Not acceptable...

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3155 on: June 18, 2016, 05:54:09 am »
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^^^
Thanks! I don't feel fit enough though, not even ready for jumps. If you check my log, i don't even feel ready for ME 60s. Was thinking of keeping this scheme for another 2 weeks ( till end of June ) and then switch. Mini goals for this are : 2,5m broad jump , 9,5m 4-DL-bounds and a some improvement for body composition.
Interesting about tempos tactic. I don't do that, if i start too hard i have problems relaxing, i end up going too fast or too slow. Instead, i try to start at the exact intended intensity and keep it up throughout the whole run. Makes some foggy sense in my mind that i get more training effect out of this too. I do my stride 100s ( 3 to 4 ) at what i log as dynamic warmup though.



17 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #7
Gym day #2


PUSH PRESS:

ATG SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
4@60kg
3@80kg
1@90kg
1@95kg
7@70kg
10@60kg
-Great! Couple of micro-milestones achieved:
1) 95kg is some kind of ATG 1RM  :personal-record: i think. I have been stronger, i have done 5 paused ATG reps @90kg but 95kg is the most i have squatted ATG. Strong back-off sets too.
2) Back to over 200lbs squat after quite a while.
3) Great form in each and every rep, even this 95kg near-max single was pretty solid.

DIPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
6@BW  ( +1 rep )
PUSH-UPS to failure: 22 ( +2 reps )
-Strong!

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
6@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW ( +1 rep )
5@BW
CHEST SUPPORTED HORIZONTAL ROWS MACHINE: 20@40kg ( +5 reps )
-Strong!

Good session!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3156 on: June 20, 2016, 06:59:51 pm »
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Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3157 on: June 22, 2016, 05:27:22 am »
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^Thanks, always feels great to start catching up.

21 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #8
Gym day #1


HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
3@50kg
3@55kg ( extra set )
-Nice. Very explosive.

ATG SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@70kg
3@80kg
-Nice. Legs were good for more but loaded bar on sunburned back was kinda torturing.

BENCH PRESS:
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
15@50kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -4 reps )
-Very good.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
6@BW
LAT PULLDOWN: 15@140lbs ( +10 lbs )
-Good.

LEG PRESS CALF 'RAISE':
Forgot , FFFFUUUUUUUU
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3158 on: June 23, 2016, 03:44:36 am »
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22 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : chest, lats, traps, biceps (?) , abs (?!?!?! ) and a little bit quads and glutes
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #8
Park day #1


Dynamic warmup

ME JUMPS:
4*SVJ : 23-25-24-24
4*Dropstep : 26-27-27-28
4*1-step-DLRVJ : 27-28-28-26
-Decided to take t0ddays advice and phase in jumps ( instead of bounds ). If i manage to get 2 track days per week i will be alternating it.
Was rusty. Bad numbers. However it was extremely hot and also dark so i've got some hope of seeing dem numbers rise fast.

TEMPOS:
8@150m @ 70%, starting every 2 minutes.
-Did those T0ddday style too. Go hard ( 90% ) for about 10s, then relax. Times were all exactly where i wanted ( 35s ) but holy shit, that was so different.
HR... damn, over 175bpm at the end of each run. Around 150 at start of next. Maybe it was the heat, idk. Feeling kinda fresher next day too. Looks like they are easier on legs but harder on heart/lungs?
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3159 on: June 23, 2016, 05:01:34 am »
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22 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : chest, lats, traps, biceps (?) , abs (?!?!?! ) and a little bit quads and glutes
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #8
Park day #1


Dynamic warmup

ME JUMPS:
4*SVJ : 23-25-24-24
4*Dropstep : 26-27-27-28
4*1-step-DLRVJ : 27-28-28-26
-Decided to take t0ddays advice and phase in jumps ( instead of bounds ). If i manage to get 2 track days per week i will be alternating it.
Was rusty. Bad numbers. However it was extremely hot and also dark so i've got some hope of seeing dem numbers rise fast.

TEMPOS:
8@150m @ 70%, starting every 2 minutes.
-Did those T0ddday style too. Go hard ( 90% ) for about 10s, then relax. Times were all exactly where i wanted ( 35s ) but holy shit, that was so different.
HR... damn, over 175bpm at the end of each run. Around 150 at start of next. Maybe it was the heat, idk. Feeling kinda fresher next day too. Looks like they are easier on legs but harder on heart/lungs?

Nice!

Phasing in jumps and bounds is a great idea.  Really it's one thing I disagree with with the philosophy of many on this board - comments like my CNS isn't ready for ME jumps and bounds.  First of all, who said anything about ME?  What about movement efficiency?  Do you really think you can just drop jumps/bounds/sprints and squat for a year and go back to them and see gains?  The guy that's been doing them as background work for the last year will always win. 

Injuries aside if you want to jump high you have to jump.  The nice thing about a rim or target is you can choose a submax jump height and get movement efficiency work in throughout your training.  For me 10" is about a 28" jump.  So no matter what I'm focusing on if I really want to jump high I can include in my workout 3x5xrim touches for an easy workout.   You can also mix it up w multi rebound jumps, both plants, etc. 

Same goes for bounding with the exception of single leg bounding - which is hard to do truly submax.  But double leg bounding and alternate leg bounding can be part of your warmup if you are disciplined!  This will payoff to have this base when you actually decide to start to really push the bounds...

For the sprinting - it's much easier on the legs and really it's the way to hit times.  I mean watch Usain Bolt in the rounds of championships where the goal is to (a) win and (b) expend as little energy as possible.  Watch how he is just off his PR times for his first 60m and just coasts after - this isn't to show off - this is the way to run rounds if you outclass the field.

I know it can be hard to figure out what this intensity is - but one way to think of it is if you are running repeat 200m sprints at 30sec and a guy jumps in and does an all out 200 who has a PR of 30s... You should tie but you shouldn't be even till the end of the race...

I would consider dropping the time for the push out to a little less than 10 seconds - more like 6 seconds hard push and then cruise...

There is a physiological explanation why. Free atp and creatine phosphate are always exhausted first during a sprint... No matter how fast or slow you will exhaust this source in 5-8 seconds.   Since it's gonna run out and the next energy systems up are painful and cannot regenerate quickly you may as well use it...

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3160 on: June 23, 2016, 08:39:40 am »
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i need to do more submax jumping.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3161 on: June 24, 2016, 03:53:04 pm »
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24 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : little tight calves and glutes, little sore abs and traps
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #8
Park day #2


Dynamic warmup

5 * standing broad jumps :
All 2,1m , one 2.25m
-Not good. Felt bad too.

3 * 4 DL bounds :
9.3m , 9.6m , 9.6m , two times lifetime  :personal-record:
-Awesome, and they didn't even feel THAT good, felt i had better bounce in me.

3 * 60m @ 100% :
-Fast and bouncy. Self hand-timed, all below 10s which is great for me, probably closer to 9.5x.

5@150m @ 70%, starting every 2 minutes.
-Decreased hard acceleration time to ~7s as advised, upped the intensity of it a bit. Incredible. I was getting 32.x going totally relaxed.
Tried to relax even more at last lap to see what would happen. I was almost walking, so slow i actually for bored, still got 36s.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3162 on: June 25, 2016, 03:25:28 am »
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24 June 2016

3 * 4 DL bounds :
9.3m , 9.6m , 9.6m , two times lifetime  :personal-record:
-Awesome, and they didn't even feel THAT good, felt i had better bounce in me.

:headbang: that reactive/explosive p-chain power.

it's the weirdest thing when they "don't feel good" but you still PR. maybe our perception of "feeling good" is just wrecked.



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5@150m @ 70%, starting every 2 minutes.
-Decreased hard acceleration time to ~7s as advised, upped the intensity of it a bit. Incredible. I was getting 32.x going totally relaxed.
Tried to relax even more at last lap to see what would happen. I was almost walking, so slow i actually for bored, still got 36s.

damn nice. that's good stuff.

tbh, seems like your body is loving these sprint/reactive/jump assistance sessions.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3163 on: June 25, 2016, 11:17:08 am »
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:headbang: that reactive/explosive p-chain power.

Thanks! Yes , my pchain is definitely much stronger than my quads, always have been.

it's the weirdest thing when they "don't feel good" but you still PR. maybe our perception of "feeling good" is just wrecked.

Well, you know, it's kinda fake. You get a PR which was not feeling PR-ish, you hype thinking what will happen if you felt 100% too, but it doesn't happen, PRs happen when they are to happen, doesn't matter how they feel.

damn nice. that's good stuff.

tbh, seems like your body is loving these sprint/reactive/jump assistance sessions.

Mind is loving them too. Constant progress, new technique stuff, lifetime PRs etc. Plus the extra motivation of body composition benefits.
With jumps and squats i am stuck at a well-below-PR level currently, it is very demotivating honestly. I am fighting through it but i am not enjoying it.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2016, 01:43:30 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3164 on: June 27, 2016, 04:37:47 am »
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25 June 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~85,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #8
Gym day #2


PUSH PRESS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
-Nice, much power. Not broken quads for push-off make a huge difference.

ATG SQUAT:
6@20kg
4@40kg
2@60kg
1@80kg
1@90kg
1@100kg
4@80kg
7@70kg
7@70kg
-Was supposed to do 4-7-7. Got greedy warming up and decided to max-out too.
Got 100kg ( 2 plates ) after 6 months.  :headbang: Was not ATG like all the others, but was below parallel.
Kinda depressing how hard it was ( RPE 9.5, 1RM = 105kg tops ). Still motivating that i got it, progress is progress.
80kg before maxing flew up. 80kg after maxing felt like 95%RM. Got all reps though in great ATG form.
Also, I am logging this 1.5 days later, legs are annihilated , cant believe this, mostly glutes but also abductors, hamstrings, quads ( in and out ). Pain even when walking. Crazy.

DIPS:
7@BW
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
PUSH-UPS to failure: 25 ( +2 reps )
-Strong!

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW ( +1 rep )
CHEST SUPPORTED HORIZONTAL ROWS MACHINE: 15@45kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -5 reps )
-Strong!

LEG PRESS CALF 'RAISE':
12@250lbs ( +50 lbs )
12@300lbs ( +50 lbs )
12@350lbs ( +50 lbs )
-Can't keep knees locked @350lbs, they tend to bend a bit at concentric. Will stay at 300lbs for now and up volume.

Good session again, good week overall.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?