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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3045 on: March 23, 2016, 05:59:26 am »
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22 March 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~87,75kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

Workout #23 ( Week #10 )

SUPERSET 1 - SQUAT ++ OHP:
4@92,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@42,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
6@87,55kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@42,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@82,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8@42,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Each squat set is cycle :personal-record:
Also 8@42,5 OHP ties cycle PR.

SUPERSET 2 - BSS ++ PULLUPS:
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 10
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 10
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) ++ 8+2
-First time using 42,5kg in BSS so obvious cycle  :personal-record:
Also first time getting 10 straight pullups at second set and 8 at third , yup , cycle  :personal-record:
 
SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
15@75kg ++ 20
10@95kg ++ 20
5@115kg ++ 20
-No PRs here, got too sweaty which destroyed grip. Yes, i know , straps.
Leg raises are getting easy though, time to do weighted.

Strongest workout so far, really enjoyed it.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3046 on: March 24, 2016, 04:17:08 pm »
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24 March 2016

1½ hours full court bball.
Same old story: good endurance, awesome (fast) recovery from high heart rates. Always tired legs, yet loaded for jumps all the time. I now see again what i used to see only at my peak-vert times, fear of the block at the opposition, they are avoiding to drive to the rim. Feels great.
Also feeling stronger in physical game. Overall very nice.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3047 on: March 27, 2016, 02:52:37 pm »
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26 March 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~88kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

Workout #24 ( Week #10 )

SUPERSET 1 - SQUAT ++ OHP:
4@92,5kg ++ 8@42,5kg
5@87,5kg ++ 8@42,5kg
7@82,5kg ++ 8@42,5kg
8@82,5kg ++ 8@42,5kg

SUPERSET 2 - BSS ++ PULLUPS:
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ++ 10
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ++ 10
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ++ 8+2
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ++ 7+3

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@55kg ++ 20
15@75kg ++ 20
10@95kg ++ 20
5@115kg ++ 20

Legs a bit too tired at squats, couldn't match the previous workout PRs. Fought it well though and did the 4th sets too after a long time.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3048 on: March 27, 2016, 03:11:58 pm »
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with your squat cycle being PR's, is your vertical also at PR status right now?  what is it now days?
current stats: age: 42 :: 5'11" (180cm) :: 180lbs (82kg) bf ~30% :: reach: 90" or 7'6" (230cm) :: wing span: 6" (183cm)
12 week goal(current): SQ 115kg(100), DL 130kg(110), BP 80kg(70), reduce weight to 75kg (165 lbs) and bf to ~25%
status: excellent cardio condition, new 5x5 program, 10' rim touch okay, RVJ ~30"
PR RVJ ~34" 10'5" touch @ age ~25 (worst was ~6" below rim when i was @ 190 lbs ~35% body fat ~23" RVJ in 2007-8

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3049 on: March 28, 2016, 04:20:17 am »
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with your squat cycle being PR's, is your vertical also at PR status right now?  what is it now days?

Nah, this cycle is very intense, legs are tired 24/7. To be honest i haven't truly tested my vert for months now. From what i jump in bball games i am around my recenbt 'base' :  25-26'' SVJ , 30-31'' RVJ. Hoping to gain a couple of inches when i tapper on all this hard work to get back to 33'', which is the threshold for dunking for me ( lucky ass long hands mofo, 7'11' reach for 6'1'' height, both in shoes ).
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 01:54:07 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3050 on: March 30, 2016, 04:20:23 am »
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29 March 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~87.5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY'S GPP

Workout #25 ( Week #11 )

SUPERSET 1 - SQUAT ++ OHP:
4@92,5kg ++ 8@42,5kg
7@82,5kg ++ 8@42,5kg
12@72,5kg ++ 8@42,5kg
-Fucked up with the weights at sets 2 and 3. Only a lighter bar was available so i lost count. And i wondered why they got so easy, lol.

SUPERSET 2 - BSS ++ PULLUPS:
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ++ 10
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ++ 10
8 each leg @ 42,5kg ++ 8+2

SUPERSET 3 - RDL ++ LEG RAISE:
20@55kg ++ 20
15@75kg ++ 20
10@95kg ++ 20
5@115kg ++ 20

Legs accumulating lots of fatigue again. I'll deal with it.  8)
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3051 on: March 30, 2016, 03:38:45 pm »
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As far as what's next...  It depends.  Offseason workouts apply to a wide range of athletes.  Think of yourself as a college level athlete who is finishing up offseason training.  What comes next after offseason training is far different for a 400m hurdler vs a 60m/100m guy or football guy.   Your saying that the weather is good so you can jump/run.   How much of this do you want to do?   Basically, what comes next in your weight training life is dependent on what comes next in your actual performance life.  Weight training is always an adjunct never the focus - but how far we put it to the side is dependent on the needs of the athlete.  It will be less demanding for sure but for me to decide how much less demanding I need to know what you plan to do and what you want to do.   What I mean is maybe you plan to play in an outdoor soccer leauge 2x per week.  Maybe you want to run 400m in under a minute for the first time in your life.  Maybe you want to run 100m under 12 seconds.  Etc.   So, given needs and desires we can plan the next step.  But go for 12 weeks if for no other reason than it gives me time to get my online training algorithm done and prepare better.

I would like to do the obvious adarq.org member thing , peak my vert at the end of the road. Both SVJ, dropstep and RVJ. What i was really asking is how do i transition, i would imagine i would not switch straight to peak after this GPP, but do a transitioning phase where i 'harvest' the gains. Hope it makes sense? No rush though, i want to peak at late June - early July so plenty of time till then. I will keep doing this GPP till week 12, trying to push the weights up some more and see what happens.

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Obviously you want to peak your vert but is that really it?  KF style, where you don't play basketball at all?  Obviously a high vert is important for you but what I mean for designing the transition is not just your measurable goals but your athletic demands that you will be placing on yourself...  For example playing pickup basketball...  How often is that?  Is it going to increase?  Do you have other athletic goals that involve outdoors, running fast, moving better, etc?   Your program (I'm assuming) should be tailored for your demands as well as your carryover.  I am assuming that quitting playing basketball or doing any movement besides jumps would be disappointing to you, you don't want to be someone who increases their vertical by a few inches but can no longer jump during a basketball game...

A list of your demands that you place upon yourself is the first step to designing the transition.   You can leave out "life" stuff like hiking with your girl or going on a ski trip but include anything you do on a regular basis that can effect training or where you want improvement...

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3052 on: March 31, 2016, 04:43:44 am »
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Obviously you want to peak your vert but is that really it?  KF style, where you don't play basketball at all?  Obviously a high vert is important for you but what I mean for designing the transition is not just your measurable goals but your athletic demands that you will be placing on yourself...  For example playing pickup basketball...  How often is that?  Is it going to increase?  Do you have other athletic goals that involve outdoors, running fast, moving better, etc?   Your program (I'm assuming) should be tailored for your demands as well as your carryover.  I am assuming that quitting playing basketball or doing any movement besides jumps would be disappointing to you, you don't want to be someone who increases their vertical by a few inches but can no longer jump during a basketball game...

A list of your demands that you place upon yourself is the first step to designing the transition.   You can leave out "life" stuff like hiking with your girl or going on a ski trip but include anything you do on a regular basis that can effect training or where you want improvement...

Yes, you are right, again.
Indeed, i do not intend to quit basketball, it is what i enjoy, it is the field that i harvest the gym hard work. Furthermore, my bball beloved prototype is definitely Lebron over idk ,Curry or Durant. I would actually prefer Shaq or Barkley over lebron, but i am too ectomprph for that, lol.
Anyway, back to the real world:
-Basketball season is ending in 4-5 weeks. It is one session of 1,5 hours full court per week.
-After that i have about 2 months ( maybe 2,5 , let's say 9-10 weeks ) until my summer vacation off.
-At those 2 months i can workout every day, either that is gym or park or both.
-It would be nice if i could dunk again at the end of those 2 months. I need around 33'' for that Still ok if i couldn't dunk but i'd like to get to over 32'' at least , which hasn't happened since my quad injury in 2012. I am at around 30 now without any jump practice so i guess i am really close, just letting the fatigue settle down, lose a couple of kilos and actually practice jumping should do it.
-You are right, i don't want a KF model where i get extremely efficient at one movement only. I am well aware that trying to be good at everything compromises your chance to be very good at one thing. Still, i prefer the former, I like a little more well rounded approach. I want to put in sprints, be at PR levels there too if possible, and i like maintaining a 'bigger' BW, i just feel better when i am over 185. Of course i am willing to go down to 175-180 for peak/lean purposes, i will just want to get the weight back again after it :)
-At basketball, i like to be a little bit of all, again. I like out-jumping , out-speeding and out-powering the opposition. Not so interested in the technical aspect of the sport, the physical is much more appealing to me. I play the PF position and my favorite thing is dealing with taller&bigger guys. Out-jumping a taller one and out-strengthening a bigger one is gold.
-I don't have other athletic aspects i want to improve, for hiking and shit like that i am perfectly fine with my current average status. Skiing i do love with passion but i only ski a few days a year and i am perfectly happy with how jump-training affects it. Oh, i also do like o-lifts, especially the hang power variations. Never considered them as a sport on my mind, but as a training element. But i enjoy them and i would really like PRing them at some point, while e.g. i wouldn't give a fuck if i never PRed my bench press or even if i never bench pressed again in my life.
That should sum it up well. :D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3053 on: March 31, 2016, 03:40:25 pm »
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31 March 2016

1½ hours full court bball.
One click down today. Little slower, little weaker, jumping a little lower, getting tired a little more. Still ok in all.
I'll attribute it to a bad sleeping week.
No bball next week, good timing for the final GPP week, gonna push it 110% for the strong finish.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3054 on: March 31, 2016, 11:34:19 pm »
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What is park?  Hills? Track? Turf?  Measurable distances?  What are your sprint prs?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3055 on: April 01, 2016, 05:14:09 am »
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Park is a few basketball rims with concrete floor and an old abandoned soccer field. It is 80x55m and its surface is mostly hard soil and gravel at some points. We talked about it in the past if you remember, about how i can't count my sprint times as legit when i have to do 90 degree sharp turns on dusty gravel. Same old conversation, too much compromises, too much distortion in sprint-time evaluation but it is extremely convenient for me though, less than 5 minutes walk from home, while i have to drive 15-20 minutes to get access to a regular oval track. I can measure any distance in that park, the only problem is that distances over 80m ( the big straight ) include those sharp turns. I can cut them to make them smoother though and add the extra distance.

My ( shameful ) sprint PRs would be:
80m : 11:3x
100m : 14:9x
200m : 34s
300m : 54s
Those are self-hand-timed with your method: running with stopwatch in hand, start at first step, stop at first foot touchdown after finish-line.
Also they are all done at this same park so only 80m is a straight line. 100m include 1 turn, 200m include 2 and 300m 4 turns.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3056 on: April 01, 2016, 11:35:17 am »
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Are you interested in improving park times, or just training there and testing on the oval every 2 or 3 week?  You have a measuring device I take it

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3057 on: April 01, 2016, 12:15:12 pm »
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I think i am ok with just improving park times.
Generally, don't break too much sweat for making the perfect tailor-made program for me. I just like to have an outline, a guidance with a specific idea, like this GPP you proposed the other time. A program/idea that i can follow it's spirit just like you said in LBSS's thread. Work and life get pretty much on the way all the time here, i am afraid i wouldn't be able to stick with something too demanding in terms of consistency. In other words i am not sure i would be the same good at following a program to the letter. And i am afraid a too tailored program would need that. I wouldn't want you to be disappointed or regret the time you spent designing something i can't use as i should. Hope that makes some sense?
On the other hand, if you are enjoying doing this and it is not making you lose time which would be valuable for something more important, be my guest. :P
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3058 on: April 01, 2016, 12:15:51 pm »
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don't sell your consistency or commitment short, vag.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3059 on: April 01, 2016, 02:23:11 pm »
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Not selling short, inconsistent and not dedicated trainees don't get to improve their vert over 10'' to land their first dunk at 37 years old.  :P
Self praise rant off, I am just trying to be clear. You don't let a professional spend his valuable time designing a super-tailored program for you and then tell him you will keep the spirit but screw the letter of it. Not saying i will , but i must state that i might.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?