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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2925 on: December 04, 2015, 05:11:04 am »
+1
Yes, quite simple and convincing arguments, i should get straps.



3 December 2015

1½ hours full court bball.
Legs were much fresher this time, due to not squatting Wednesday, had a little extra pop in them. Got a couple of badass blocks, not the 'chase through' ones which are more about timing, the face-to-face ones which is pure vert. Still, my legs are slow, i don't jump at all besides the bball time, no skill work etc etc etc. Must decide what i wanna do, current setup is a little confused, it is neither strength nor performance oriented, trying to have a little bit of all mixed in. That may not be necessarily bad, just gotta be sure it is what i wanna do and not just doing it because i am used to it.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2926 on: December 06, 2015, 07:10:24 am »
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Must decide what i wanna do, current setup is a little confused, it is neither strength nor performance oriented, trying to have a little bit of all mixed in. That may not be necessarily bad, just gotta be sure it is what i wanna do and not just doing it because i am used to it.

Got my answer, i want more emphasis on strength for the next ~3 months, transitioning to utilizing it around Feb-March together with cutting.



5 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~88,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
3@60kg
3@60kg
-I think i will skip top sets ( 3RM attempt ) for a while in o-lifts and add more 'heavy' 3s.

ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5@85kg
5@85kg
5@85kg
MEBM SQUAT ( no pause ) : 20@70kg , ties :personal-record:
-Same reps/sets/loads but better form at paused ones, more strict pauses too. Upping next time.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@18kg each hand ( +1 rep )
10@18kg each hand ( +1 rep )
10@18kg each hand ( +1 rep )
10@18kg each hand ( +1 rep )
-Nice.

SEATED REAR DELT FLY MACHINE:
12@80lbs
12@95lbs ( +15 lbs ) , :personal-record:
11@95lbs ( +1 rep )
-Very strong.

DEAD HANG NEUTRAL GRIP PULLUPS:
9@BW
8@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW
NEUTRAL GRIP LAT PULLDOWN: 15@150lbs
-Kinda weak here. Although 24 reps in 3 sets ties  :personal-record:

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@60kg
15@60kg
15@60kg ( +1 rep )
-Strong.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2015, 07:12:48 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2927 on: December 09, 2015, 04:54:19 am »
+4
8 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~88,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

PUSH-PRESS:
5@20kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
-Applying the new olift scheme here too, ( no 3RM set, more heavy 3s ). Nice.

RDL:
8@100kg
8@100kg
15@100kg ( +8 rep ) , :personal-record: , previous was 12@100kg.
-Grip was super strong, first two sets felt like warmup so i went on to rep-out las set. Kinda stupid to rep-out RDLs but it was worth it, got a huge PR.

BENCH PRESS:
5@70kg
5@70kg
5@70kg
18@55kg ( +1 rep ) ,  high-rep :personal-record:
-Something was bugging at left wrist so cancelled third set. I guess the saved fatigue from it helped the drop-set PR. I'll take it.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
9@BW , ( -1 rep )
8@BW
7@BW( +1 rep )
LAT PULLDOWN : 18@150lbs ( +2 reps ):personal-record:
-Total reps total ties  :personal-record: too.

PAUSED STANDING CALF RAISE ( 1:1:5 ):
8@BW+95kg
8@BW+95kg
8@BW+95kg ( +1 rep )
-So i progressed my 3x8 slow reps from 60kg to the machine's stack.  :personal-record:
Decided to add a forth set instead of adding reps.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2928 on: December 09, 2015, 07:25:38 am »
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2929 on: December 09, 2015, 07:46:28 am »
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I wonder what your soreness be after that 15 reps set of RDLs.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2930 on: December 10, 2015, 03:57:48 am »
+1
:strong:

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I wonder what your soreness be after that 15 reps set of RDLs.

Practically none, lol, that was a nice surprise. There is some hamstring soreness but minimal and some lower back tightness/stress, also minimal.



9 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~88,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

O-LIFT:
-Was short on time, had to skip again.

SQUAT ( MSEM ):
3x1@95kg
3x1@100kg
3x1@105kg
-Switched to the 'original' MSEM variant 1: 2-4 sets of 2-3 reps @ 90-95%. Felt much better than straight up 6+ singles.
As discussed in the MSEM thread i am using a 'non psyche-up 1RM' which should be around 110kg now.

INCLINE (45') DB PRESS:
12@22kg each hand
12@22kg each hand
12@22kg each hand
-Kinda too easy. Should have gone heavier.

UPRIGHT ROW:
12@40kg ( +5 kg ) , ( +2 reps ):personal-record:
12@40kg ( +5 kg ) , ( +2 reps ):personal-record:
10@40kg ( +5 kg ) , which would be a PR too.
10@35kg
-Beast-mode.

Gym was closing so had to continue home:

DB CURL:
2x15 each hand@10kg

HAMMER CURL:
2x15 each hand@10kg

TRICEPS DB KICK-BACK:
4x15 each hand@10kg
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2931 on: December 10, 2015, 11:17:27 pm »
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-Switched to the 'original' MSEM variant 1: 2-4 sets of 2-3 reps @ 90-95%. Felt much better than straight up 6+ singles.

cool. I like the singles variation especially for when you're doing big dedicated jump/dunk sessions. 10 MSEM singles with ~1-2min rest basically becomes 10 max effort jumps. I imagine you could overlay 10 ME jumps with 10 ME singles (90-95%), just plot "CNS arousal", and have it match up pretty good.



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As discussed in the MSEM thread i am using a 'non psyche-up 1RM' which should be around 110kg now.

niice!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2932 on: December 11, 2015, 04:46:54 am »
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^Interesting idea about the jump sequence simulation. Everyone should have it match his own jumping sets-reps? e.g. what i do when i jump is sets of 3-4 , 1 min between reps, 4-5 mins between sets. And maybe use supramax partials instead of fulls for this tool?
Think a fancy name for it and blog this idea. Like CPJSM ( Cns Pattern Jump Simulation Method ) , or JSDCM ( Jumping Sequence Deep Copy Method , geek term included, you know you like it ;) ).



10 December 2015

1½ hours full court bball.
Quads were fine, despite the increased singles volume yesterday. Hip flexors felt too tight however.
Endurance was great, initially. But i run out of gas too soon. We had some absences too so i couldn't sub-out to get some breaths.
No rim jumps at all. In game jumps felt ok but nothing special.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2933 on: December 11, 2015, 03:55:26 pm »
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^Interesting idea about the jump sequence simulation. Everyone should have it match his own jumping sets-reps? e.g. what i do when i jump is sets of 3-4 , 1 min between reps, 4-5 mins between sets.

nice ya.. even more specificity per jumper. That makes even more sense. We should create a thread which contains everyone's max jump session protocols, since everyone performs them a little differently.

edit: http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/how-do-you-perform-a-max-effort-jump-session/


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And maybe use supramax partials instead of fulls for this tool?

I wouldn't do those supramax partials (quarters if you half, halfs if you deep) unless you spend a few weeks prepping them. If we just jump right into those, could cause way too much fatigue than we want. Even then, not sure if it would be better than your "go-to" ROM.

Maybe even better would be banded singles, since you can accommodate the strength curve.


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Think a fancy name for it and blog this idea. Like CPJSM ( Cns Pattern Jump Simulation Method ) , or JSDCM ( Jumping Sequence Deep Copy Method , geek term included, you know you like it ;) ).

lool @ the deep copy nerd one.

I like CPJSM better ;f

without any jumping references: CNS Temporal-Amplitude Model .. so a model instead of a method, since we're modeling based on time/effort of a max jump session (or maybe even other things).

pc!!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2934 on: December 13, 2015, 11:56:31 am »
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^Nice, i'll def come back at this later when weather gets good and i start jumping soon.



12 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~88kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER SNATCH:
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
3@40kg
3@40kg
-Nice.

ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5@87,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , 5RM  :personal-record: , predicted 1RM  :personal-record:
5@87,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ties the above PR
5@87,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ties the above PR
MEBM SQUAT ( no pause ) : 20@70kg , ties :personal-record:
-Very happy with the paused squats. Expected to miss some reps but got em all, 3 sets at lifetime  :personal-record: , great,
First set was too hard, RPE 9-9.5. But the second was a bit better and the third even more. I think my warm-up was bad.
MEBM was brutal , barely made it, legs were exhausted from the triple paused PR.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
-Nice, ready to use 20s again but with full ROM now.

SEATED REAR DELT FLY MACHINE:
12@95lbs  ( +15 lbs ) , ties :personal-record:
12@95lbs , also ties PR
12@95lbs ( +1 rep ) , also ties PR
-Very strong. Got my 3x12 but will redo because of the defective machine, next available load is 110, not ready for it.

DEAD HANG NEUTRAL GRIP PULLUPS:
10@BW  ( +1 rep ) , ties  :personal-record:
8@BW
7@BW
NEUTRAL GRIP LAT PULLDOWN: 15@150lbs
-Total reps :personal-record:

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@60kg
15@60kg
15@60kg
-Great, solid ROM, strict pauses, everything great. Best calf raises ever at this machine.

Very strong day.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2935 on: December 14, 2015, 07:08:09 pm »
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14 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~88,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
3@60kg
3@60kg
3@60kg
-3x3@60kg is some kind of volume :personal-record:

RDL:
8@102,5kg ( +2,5kg )
8@102,5kg ( +2,5kg )
8@102,5kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( -7 reps )
-No rep-out this time, gotta stay an AELS member. Still 3x8@102,5kg is also volume  :personal-record:

BENCH PRESS:

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:

PAUSED STANDING CALF RAISE ( 1:1:5 ):
8@BW+95kg
8@BW+95kg
8@BW+95kg
8@BW+95kg ( +extra set )
-Yes, this is also volume  :personal-record: , was actually easy too.

Was sort on time so split the workout in two parts, will do the skipped bench&pullups tomorrow.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2936 on: December 15, 2015, 06:17:19 pm »
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15 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~89kg , season high!
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

First did what i owed from yesterday:

BENCH PRESS:
5@70kg
5@70kg
5@70kg ( extra set )
16@55kg ( -2 reps )
-The fatigue from the third set that i didnt do last week coz of wrist bugging made dropset weaker. Fair.
Kinda stuck again, i don't see me advancing to 72,5kg soon.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW ( -1 rep )
7@BW ( -1 rep )
6@BW ( -1 rep )
LAT PULLDOWN : 18@150lbs , ties :personal-record:
-Pullups wouldn't work today. Drop-set was strong though.

Then did those to make it a workout:

INCLINE (45') DB PRESS:
12@22kg each hand
12@22kg each hand
12@22kg each hand
-Weight is easy but setup is hard.

DB SHRUG:
15@20kg each hand
15@20kg each hand
15@20kg each hand
-Nice.

ROWING MACHINE: 10 minutes
-Wow, exhausting. didn't even go hard either but felt like an eternity, in hell.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2937 on: December 17, 2015, 05:37:37 am »
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16 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~88,5kg
Soreness : chest
Injuries/aches : none

PUSH-PRESS:
5@20kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
-Kinda weak.

SQUAT ( MSEM ):
3@95kg
3x1@100kg
3x1@105kg
-Awesome!!! 95kg felt so light that i didn't even do singles, went on to do 3 reps with a couple of breaths between.
100 and 105 sets were very solid too. That feeling when squat progresses, so sweet.

UPRIGHT ROW:
10@40kg ( -2 reps )
10@40kg ( -2 reps )
10@40kg
10@40kg
-Last time i did 3x12 , now went for 4x10. However right shoulder was bugging on concentric at third set so cancelled 4th set.
First two sets pretty solid though, could easily match/break last week's 12@40kg PR.

BB CURL:
10@30kg
10@30kg

PREACHER CURL
10@25kg
10@25kg

HAMMER CURL:
Forgot!  :uhhhfacepalm:

TRICEPS PUSH DOWN:
10@150lbs
10@150lbs
10@150lbs
10@150lbs
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2938 on: December 17, 2015, 03:06:35 pm »
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17 December 2015

1½ hours full court bball.
Kinda meh. Endurance ok but it was like i had a delay between think and do, legs wouldn't follow.
Legs starting to feel too heavy/tired now. Makes sense since i only took one deload week the last 3,5 months.
It is all fine, Xmas holidays will be a nice recovery off-time.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2939 on: December 23, 2015, 05:58:03 am »
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A little too much work and life lately derailed me, would be ok but the timing is bad because we are ahead of xmas off. Oh well, what can you do.
Changed my template to a high-volume one to compensate a bit.

22 December 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~87,5kg
Soreness : chest
Injuries/aches : none

SQUAT:
8@20kg
8@40kg
8@50kg
8@60kg
8@70kg
8@80kg
8@90kg
-Pretty happy to get the 8@90, after having done all the previous sets.
Tonnage = 3280kg,  :personal-record:, previous was 3240kg from RSR 6x6@90kg.

BENCH PRESS:
8@60kg
8@60kg
8@60kg
8@60kg
8@60kg
-Tonnage = 2400kg, :personal-record: , previous was 2200kg ( 4x10@55kg ).

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW
8@BW
8@BW
7@BW
7@BW
I have never done more than 3 sets of pullups so this is also a tonnage :personal-record:

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE
15@95kg
15@95kg
15@95kg
15@95kg
-Tonage = 5700kg,  :personal-record: , previous was 4500kg ( 3x30@50kg ).

Volume was fun. :D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?