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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2730 on: July 02, 2015, 05:31:45 am »
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Hm. There is no better or worse here, depends what you want to do.

DL is a great compound exercise. The bad : you are never really sure about form as you go heavy, also you can lift a lot of load with back and not legs. Finally, it is not 100% pchain, quads help a lot too.
GHR : great one but most of us can't do even 1 legit rep, so unless you are already very strong you can't do them for volume.
BSS : Love it, hits the glutes like no other exercise.
RDL : I like it because you can really control form and you can go for volume ( unlike the DL ). Supposedly it hits the glutes too, but tbh that is minimal for me.
Hip thrusts : You didn't mention them but that is a great one of the same 'group'.

So the reason i prefer RDLs is that it is easy to setup and you go heavy(ish) too so you get all that added benefit ( traps, core, CNS, grip ) with no sacrifice at the original goal.
I should be doing lunges or BSS or hip thrusts too that day and i don't know why i don't, I did lunges at the beginning but at some point i stopped and i just realized it.  :uhhhfacepalm:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2731 on: July 02, 2015, 05:39:14 am »
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1 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #42( Week #17)

MUSCLE CLEANS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
5@45kg ( +1 rep )
3@50kg
-Great.

HALF SQUAT:
5@20kg ( jump squat )
5@60kg
5@80kg
5@100kg
5@120kg
5@135kg ( +5 kg ) , ( - depth )
-Fuck, lost depth at top set. Not quarters but lot halves either, let's say they were 1/3.

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@32,5kg
10@32,5kg
10@32,5kg
10@32,5kg ( +2 reps )
-Nice

BICEPS BB CURL:
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg
10@27,5kg ( +1 rep )
-Nice

TRICEPS PUSHDOWN:
10@140lbs ( +10 lbs )
10@140lbs ( +10 lbs )
10@140lbs ( +10 lbs )
8@140lbs ( +10 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-Very strong. Finally reached failure.



DAILY SMR:
none
SMR COMMIT COUNT: 16/31
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2732 on: July 02, 2015, 07:46:34 pm »
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The bad : you are never really sure about form as you go heavy, also you can lift a lot of load with back and not legs.

Yeah, for DL you need really good hamstring ROM to be able to do the first part of the lift without using your back, I don't think most people have that much ham flexibility.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2733 on: July 02, 2015, 08:13:05 pm »
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I would beg to differ. It's not the hamstring flexibility that's lacking, it's the hip flexor flexibility.

When you have short hip flexors you put the pelvis in anterior tilt. That stretches the hamstrings continuously. And when you ask of them to stretch EVEN MORE they start to get out of range of motion. And then you obviously think it's them that is the culprit. When in fact, they shouldn't have been that elongated to begin with.

Solve the hip flexor flexibility problem, get the pelvis in a neutral position, get the hamstrings back to their original length (shorter, that is) and then you'll be able to stretch them properly.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2734 on: July 02, 2015, 08:34:45 pm »
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I would beg to differ. It's not the hamstring flexibility that's lacking, it's the hip flexor flexibility.

When you have short hip flexors you put the pelvis in anterior tilt. That stretches the hamstrings continuously. And when you ask of them to stretch EVEN MORE they start to get out of range of motion. And then you obviously think it's them that is the culprit. When in fact, they shouldn't have been that elongated to begin with.

Solve the hip flexor flexibility problem, get the pelvis in a neutral position, get the hamstrings back to their original length (shorter, that is) and then you'll be able to stretch them properly.

This.

Also means they struggle to fire along with the glutes and do the job required of them.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2735 on: July 03, 2015, 02:01:29 am »
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I would beg to differ. It's not the hamstring flexibility that's lacking, it's the hip flexor flexibility.

When you have short hip flexors you put the pelvis in anterior tilt. That stretches the hamstrings continuously. And when you ask of them to stretch EVEN MORE they start to get out of range of motion. And then you obviously think it's them that is the culprit. When in fact, they shouldn't have been that elongated to begin with.

Solve the hip flexor flexibility problem, get the pelvis in a neutral position, get the hamstrings back to their original length (shorter, that is) and then you'll be able to stretch them properly.

Not everyone has the same flexibility imbalances.

That might have been true in your case, but I do more hip flexor stretches than any other muscle. I did the Thomas test and I don't think I have an anterior pelvic tilt but I do know that I have tight hamstrings.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2736 on: July 03, 2015, 05:57:59 am »
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Well, my point was that whatever the reasons, DL can easily become a back pulling thing. But still, a properly executed DL is an awesome compound movement.

2 July 2015

Went jumping. Legs were tired/stiff.
SVJ : max 26''
Dropstep : max 30.5'', ties season best
1, 2 step DLRVJs : max 30''

Playing a lot with form, adding some volume, trying to make runups more efficient. Kinda worked, got 30'' of 2 steps that i couldn't do recently.
Also looked back at my log a lot, it seems that 4-5'' was always the SVJ-RVJ gap for me. So it looks like it is a pure power ( strength ) thing, and not reactivity or whatever.
If i manage to get my SVJ up, RVJ will follow. I have no idea how to do that though, i am probably at the best relative strength/body composition condition ever.
I haven't done a true recovered ME jumps session yet though, gotta wait and see what happens then.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2737 on: July 04, 2015, 09:45:17 am »
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4 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~83kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #43( Week #17)

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
3@30kg
2@40kg
1@50kg
1@60kg
1@65kg ,  :personal-record:
-Hip hip hurraaaayyyy. ( hip pun intended )
I think it is lifetime PR, i have 70kg singles and 65kg triples logged but they are false, i was using the 15kg bar back then thinking it was 20kg.

HIGH BAR ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@75kg
3@85kg
10@65kg
-Same loads and reps but more solid depth and strict pauses at top sets.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP
10@18kg each hand ( +2 kg)
10@18kg each hand ( +2 kg)
9@18kg each hand ( +2 kg) , ( -1 rep )
7@18kg each hand ( +2 kg) , ( -3 reps )
-Very good.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
20 each hand @ 26kg
-Again, same weight and reps but better control.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@60kg
15@60kg
15@60kg
-Same story re weight/reps/control.



DAILY SMR:
none, FML
SMR COMMIT COUNT: 16/34

I am such an asshole, if there is no real problem ( pain, tightness etc ) i cant motivate myself to foam roll / stretch.
Idiot!!!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2738 on: July 08, 2015, 08:25:23 am »
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7 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #44, ( Week #18)

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
3@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
3@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Very nice.

RDL:
8@90kg ( +5 kg )
8@95kg ( +5 kg )
5@100kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
-Went up too much, grip gave up on me at top set.

BENCH PRESS:
8@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
6@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
6@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
Total = 20 reps ( -5 reps )
Drop-set : 13@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Load increase attacked hard the total reps. Wanted a bit better.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW
7@BW
6@BW
Total = 21 reps
Drop-set : Lat-Pulldown 12@150lbs
-Same with last time, better control, feeling stronger.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
30@BW+50kg
28@BW+50kg ( +2 reps )
25@BW+50kg ( +2 reps )
-Nice



DAILY SMR:
None
SMR COMMIT COUNT: 16/37

If i don't get back at them this week i stop logging them, very disappointed ( but obviously not enough to get down and do a few rolls and stretches   :pissed: ).
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2739 on: July 09, 2015, 04:19:19 am »
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8 July 2015

Went to the park and jumped.
Heights were the same, 26'' SVJ, 30'' everything else, got a couple of 30.5'' off 1 step.
However i see some improvement: 30'' was repeatable in all jumps and, more important, runups are improving. Starting to 'feel' them, like i can 'feel' and 'control' the horizontal to vertical transfer.
As a result, after a long long time, the runup jumps felt better, 30'' felt easier from 1 and 2 steps ( and i got it from 3 steps too ) than from the more voluntary force dropsteps.
Encouraging.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2015, 04:27:35 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2740 on: July 10, 2015, 05:02:32 am »
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9 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #45( Week #18)

MUSCLE CLEANS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
5@45kg
4@50kg ( +1 rep )
-Great.

HALF SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@60kg
5@80kg
5@100kg
5@120kg
5@135kg ( +depth )
-Got my top set right this time. Legit depth, great speed, awesomeness!

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@35kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@35kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@35kg ( +2,5 kg )
9@35kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
-Very nice.

BICEPS BB CURL:
10@30kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@30kg ( +2,5 kg )
9@30kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
8@30kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
-Very nice.

TRICEPS PUSHDOWN:
10@140lbs
10@140lbs
10@140lbs ( -1 rep )
8@140lbs
-One less rep than last time but i think i was going slower. Strong anyway.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2741 on: July 12, 2015, 03:51:32 pm »
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11 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #46( Week #18)

HANG POWER CLEAN
Was sort on time , skipped.

HIGH BAR ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@75kg
2@90kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
MEBM : 20@60kg ( -5 kg ) , ( -pause ) , ( + 10 reps )
-Switched my finisher from 10xpaused to 20xMEBM, not paused, still ATG. Was a killer.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand ( +1 rep )
10@18kg each hand ( +2 reps )
-Awesome. Was sharing DBs with another guy though so breaks were 90s instead of 60.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
20 each hand @ 26kg
-Even better control. Still not strong enough to go to >36 though.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
Also skipped because of time restriction.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2742 on: July 12, 2015, 05:22:43 pm »
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60x20 is hell for me, high bar.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2743 on: July 13, 2015, 04:59:44 am »
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Was hell for me too, lol. After rep 13-14 it is all mental though.
Also, something very interesting, the following days i have glutes DOMS. Nice...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2744 on: July 14, 2015, 04:30:13 am »
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13 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg , it is going up but it is intended
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #47, ( Week #19)

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
3@30kg
2@40kg
1@50kg
1@60kg
0@65kg
0@65kg
0@65kg
-Stupid misses, i was pulling good, just couldn't slip myself under the bar. Dunno why. Still strong.

RDL:
8@90kg
8@95kg
7@100kg ( +2 reps )
-Grip much better, nice.

BENCH PRESS:
10@62,5kg ( +2 reps )
7@62,5kg ( +1 rep )
6@62,5kg
Total = 23 reps ( +3 reps )
Drop-set : 13@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Nice.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW
6@BW ( -1 rep )
5@BW ( -1 rep )
Total = 19 reps  ( -2 reps )
Drop-set : Lat-Pulldown 11@150lbs  ( -1 rep )
-Back was weak today, don't know why.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
30@BW+50kg
27@BW+50kg ( -1 rep )
23@BW+50kg ( -2 reps )
-Small regress here too. Hm.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?