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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2475 on: November 17, 2014, 05:31:37 pm »
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strong like bull. all you're missing is swift like antelope.  :P
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2476 on: November 18, 2014, 12:18:42 pm »
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strong like bull. all you're missing is swift like antelope.  :P

Bull? You spelled bullshit wrong!  :P


Alright, updated the 1st wave results and 2nd wave money sets here: 5/3/1 beginner template v.2

Here are the results:

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SQUAT: ( 1RM used = 110kg )
7@95kg , predicted 1RM ~= 114kg ( 1,34*BW )

RDL: ( 1RM used = 120kg )
9@92,5kg / 6@102,5kg , predicted 1RM ~= 119kg ( 1,4*BW )
 
OHP: ( 1RM used = 50kg )
9@42,5kg , predicted 1RM ~- 55kg ( 0,64*BW )
            
BENCH: ( 1RM used = 80kg )
8@62,5kg , predicted 1RM ~= 81kg ( 0,95*BW )

Went good but i want better.
Short term ( but long shot )goal:
Until xmas break ( 5 more training weeks, 1 full wave and one shortened one ) i want to break ALL my absolute strength PRs , which will also mean i will destroy the relative strength ones due do the 85ish vs 90-92ish BW.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2477 on: November 20, 2014, 04:53:18 am »
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19 November 2014

Bodyweight@session : 85kg
Soreness : some minor lower back, hamstring, glutes and lats soreness
Injuries/aches : none

5/3/1 beginner template v.2
Wave #2 , Week #1 ( 5+ reps )

BENCH PRESS ( 5/3/1 day ):
5@47,5kg
5@55kg
10@62,5kg
-Season best predicted 1RM ( also all time 2nd best ).
All time predicted 1RM/BW  :personal-record: ( 0,98*BW ).
Almost lifting BW now, i can't describe what a a huge accomplishment it is for my girly bench.

SQUAT ( light day ):
5@57,5kg , ATG paused
5@67,5kg , ATG paused
5@77,5kg , ATG paused
-Getting easy. Awesome.

BICEPS DUMBBELL CURL:
12 each hand @ 16kg
12 each hand @ 16kg
-Same load, better control. Still not good for 18kg DBs.

BARBELL PREACHER CURL:
12@22,5kg ( +2,5kg )
12@22,5kg ( -2,5kg ) , ( +2 reps )
-Nice.

TRICEPS ROPE PUSHDOWN:
12@27,5kg
12@27,5kg
12@27,5kg
-Got them all again, a little less hard than last time, still not good for 30kg though.

SEATED WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
Machine was packed all the time, wtf. Skipped.

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
20@BW+10kg ( +2,5 kg )
20@BW+10kg ( +2,5 kg )
20@BW+10kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Much easier than it should be, probably because of skipping the weighted crunches prior to them.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 04:54:49 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2478 on: November 20, 2014, 02:12:33 pm »
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20 November 2014

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : tired back and glutes, little sore arms
Injuries/aches : none

1.5 hours full court basketball.
Just good endurance and vert. CNS down, reaction time sucked.  However I felt very very strong.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2479 on: November 22, 2014, 01:13:01 pm »
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22 November 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~86.5kg, fake bw, stuffed
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

5/3/1 beginner template v.2
Wave #2 , Week #1 ( 5+ reps )

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( 5/3/1 day ):
5@67,5kg
5@77,5kg
11@87,5kg
-Gentlemen!
ALL TIME PREDICTED 1RM  :personal-record: ( 120.8kg vs 119.8kg )
BIG ALL TIME PREDICTED 1RM/BW  :personal-record: ( 1.4*BW vs 1.35*BW )

BENCH PRESS ( light day ):
5@40kg , paused
5@47,5kg , paused
5@55kg , paused

LEG PRESS PAUSED CALF 'RAISE'
12@240kg ( +10 kg )
12@240kg ( +10 kg )
12@240kg ( +10 kg )
-Got very hard in the end but i got all reps. 529lbs  :strong:

DUMBBELL SHOULDERS LATERAL RAISE:
12@12kg each hand
12@12kg each hand
12@12kg each hand ( +2 reps )
-Got all reps, great. But not good for 14kg DBs yet.

DEAD HANG NEUTRAL GRIP PULLUPS:
9@BW ( +1 rep ) , ties  :personal-record:
7@BW
5@BW ( -1 rep )
5@BW ( -1 rep )
-Tied PR but regressed 1 rep in total. Tug of war here.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2480 on: November 22, 2014, 01:24:09 pm »
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attaboy. speaking of keep it up.  :lololol:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2481 on: November 25, 2014, 05:32:09 am »
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^^^Thanks, cheers to that!

24 November 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~85,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

5/3/1 beginner template v.2
Wave #2 , Week #1 ( 5+ reps )

RDL:
5@75kg
5@85kg
12@95kg
-Awesome. Big season best, almost there for all-time PR.

OHP:
5@30kg
5@35kg
10@40kg
-Barely missed 11th for an all-time PR. Shoulders were good for it but back got too tired from RDL.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
9@BW , ties :personal-record:
7@BW
6@BW
5@BW
-Matched last time's performance which is outstanding for my standards.

DB SHRUGS ( slow tempo ):
12@20kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
12@20kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
12@20kg each hand ( +2 kg per hand )
-Nice. Barely got last 2 reps of last set.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
20@80kg ( +5 kg )
17@80kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
15@80kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -5 reps )
-Burnout.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2482 on: November 27, 2014, 04:02:44 am »
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26 November 2014

Bodyweight@session : 85kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

5/3/1 beginner template v.2
Wave #2 , Week #2 ( 3+ reps )

BENCH PRESS ( 5/3/1 day ):
3@52,5kg
3@60kg
8@67,5kg , ties 8RM  :personal-record:
-Also small all time predicted 1RM/BW  :personal-record: ( 0,985*BW vs last week 0,978 ).
Just 0,2kg below all time predicted 1RM PR, let's see if i can do it next week.

SQUAT ( light day ):
5@57,5kg , ATG paused
5@67,5kg , ATG paused
5@77,5kg , ATG paused
-Almost a disaster: Last set, far left plate hits cage going down, bar gets a 20-30 degrees angle, right lower back gets uneven load, pops!
Got lucky, it was nothing. But you gotta remember, always, how easy it is to get injured out of nowhere. And be thankful for staying healthy.

BICEPS DUMBBELL CURL:
12 each hand @ 18kg ( +2kg per hand )
10 each hand @ 18kg ( +2kg per hand ) , ( -2 reps per hand )
-Was supposed to redo 16s but prefered to man-up. Went good, expected sth like 10-8. 18s are heavy!

BARBELL PREACHER CURL:
12@25kg ( +2,5kg )
12@25kg ( +2,5kg )
-Last reps of second set got too hard, but got them anyway.

TRICEPS ROPE PUSHDOWN:
12@30kg ( +2,5kg )
12@30kg ( +2,5kg )
10@30kg ( +2,5kg ) , ( -2 reps )
-Very good here too. Expected sth like 12-10-9.

SEATED WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@120lbs
20@120lbs
15@120lbs ( -3 reps )
-Very hard. Wtf, i skipped them for 1 week and i regress instantly?

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
20@BW+10kg
20@BW+10kg
20@BW+10kg
-Didn't advance here on purpose, abs already too tired from the crunches.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2014, 02:06:39 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2483 on: November 27, 2014, 02:18:10 pm »
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27 November 2014

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : little sore back at that 'pop' spot, sore glutes, biceps, shoulders, tight quads
Injuries/aches : none

1.5 hours full court basketball.
The good news: Season best endurance and vert. 10'6'' touch ( 31'' ) off one step. Feeling good for 32'' that would be a post-injury PR. Got this amazing 'volley-spike' block, baseline 15' shot, caught it very high going on the vertical direction of the shot.
The bad news: Occasionally i get this 'pop' in my back neck muscles, when hyper-extending for blocks. It feels numb for a few seconds then goes away. I have it happen, say, once every 5-10 games. Today it happened 2 times. Totally shut me down, i couldn't jump anymore, like automatic CNS shutdown to protect myself. It went away immediately as always, but it ruined my game. Anybody knows what this might be? Have any similar experience? A co-player had serious issues with neck, had to stay off for a couple of months. He said that the doctor said you can't really strengthen the neck muscles themselves so he prescribed traps strengthening for better support. I will try to find some good dynamic warmup drills for it and maybe add more shrugs, and if it keeps happening I will go see a doctor.

Edit: Researched it a bit. It seems like it is typical cervical syndrome, very useful info here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2881998/
Best case scenario : temporary thing, nerve irritation ( caused by random stuff like hypertrophy of surrounding muscles ).
Worst case scenario : degeneration of the joints between the neck discs ( caused from age, not curable, my time is up ).
Will research more, still open to any kind of info/experience/advice.

Edit #2 , after much more research:
The worst case scenario is not justified from either my age or my symptoms. That instant neck popping that goes away at once is usual and not dangerous. Alert is over.
However, this is a good chance to add/change a few things:
-Add back extensions, I've been wanting to do that long time now, stronger Erector Spinae muscles is never a bad idea.
-Replace shoulders DB lateral raises with BB upright rows. Still working lateral deltoids, but many more synergists and stabilizers, it is more compound.
-Add some neck stretching during bball sessions warmups.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2014, 08:21:52 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2484 on: November 29, 2014, 01:00:35 pm »
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29 November 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

5/3/1 beginner template v.2
Wave #2 , Week #2 ( 3+ reps )

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( 5/3/1 day ):
3@72,5kg
3@92,5kg
9@92,5kg
-This is 9RM PR. Predicted 1RM is just 1kg lower than last week's all time PR.

BENCH PRESS ( light day ):
5@40kg , paused
5@47,5kg , paused
5@55kg , paused

LEG PRESS PAUSED CALF 'RAISE'
12@250kg ( +10 kg )
12@250kg ( +10 kg )
12@250kg ( +10 kg )
-Not sure if it is worth the trouble loading 250kg for them. Might switch to SL.

DUMBBELL SHOULDERS LATERAL RAISE:
BARBELL UPRIGHT ROW:
12@30kg
12@30kg
12@30kg

DEAD HANG NEUTRAL GRIP PULLUPS:
8@BW ( -1 rep )
7@BW
6@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW ( +1 rep )
-Once again, one less rep at top set, 1 more in total. Stuck. Meh.

45 DEGREES BACK EXTENSION:
12@BW
12@BW
12@BW
-Harder than expected.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2485 on: December 02, 2014, 06:02:10 am »
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2 December 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~85,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

5/3/1 beginner template v.2
Wave #2 , Week #2 ( 3+ reps )

RDL:
3@80kg
3@90kg
9@100kg
-Weak today, don't know why, even 90kg triple was kinda challenging.

OHP:
3@32,5kg
3@37,5kg
9@42,5kg
-Just ok. This ties season best and all time relative strength PR, but i did the same 2 weeks ago. Want moar.

DB SHRUGS :
12@20kg each hand
12@20kg each hand
12@20kg each hand
-Last 2 reps of each set still very hard.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
9@BW , ties :personal-record:
8@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
5@BW
-Very nice.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
20@80kg
18@80kg ( +1 rep )
16@80kg ( +1 rep )
-Nice.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2486 on: December 02, 2014, 06:44:58 am »
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Still stronger than me lel
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2487 on: December 02, 2014, 09:28:05 am »
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Where? In shrugs? Or in OHP? Oh, maybe in pullups! All famous vertical jump builders.
I'm glad, it would be really bad if the important lifts for jumping were squat and RDL, where you are 30-40kg stronger.

Oh wait!  :P
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2488 on: December 02, 2014, 10:54:41 am »
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30 yo vs 40 yo
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2489 on: December 03, 2014, 05:34:27 am »
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Forgot to log.
The other day at the gym, there was this bodybuilder that was doing 'max strength' squat workout. He maxed at a 240kg (~530lbs ) single, way bellow parallel, almost ATG, damn solid.
Was great to see that, i have only seen up to 170kg/parallel live. The average gym-rat here doesn't squat that much and those that do, they always do volume and never max-out.
Guy is short, like 175cm/5'9''. He is also huge, i would guess above 120kg ( 265kg ). Finally he must be juiced because he is over 40 but carries all that mass with a very low bodyfat ( clear deep 6-pack, veins everywhere ).
Still, was very impressive to witness that!  It looked unreal, 5x20kg plates at each side of the bar ( plus 1x10kg ). No knee straps, no belt, no spotter, nothing, he just got under the bar and killed it!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?