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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2370 on: September 01, 2014, 06:47:11 am »
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What I laid out makes the most sense to me, FOR ME, in a time of the year when I can't play ball or do any plyos anyway (Winter). Sure I'll do some reactive stuff before the actual strength work, but nothing too fancy.

So if you're in the same position... it should make sense for you as well.

What I laid out is also simpler to follow vs. what you posted IMO.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2371 on: September 01, 2014, 08:09:13 am »
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I agree with the above. But if you re-read my schedule you will see that i will be out playing bball 3 times a week, so i don't understand why we are talking about what i should do when i can't play basketball and do an intensity program, i said i will be playing lots of bball and want to do a GPP program.

Also, i gotta say it, your persistence on the things you suggest is a bit , ehm, above average. You remember things and then you are out trying to convince people to do it , with lots passion too. You now (re)discovered the texas method and suddenly all the forum has to do it. And i didn't even disagree, i said i like that approach and i plan to do it, i just had two ( extremely similar ) approaches in my mind. Frankly , it is a bit tiring and annoying to have an extended discussion in my journal about if Bill Starr or Tx or 5/3/1 are most effective or more simple. And i have seen you do it in many other journals too. When you discovered or re-discovered donkey bonces, hip thrusts, high bar, halfs , this 1 1/2 squats etc, you get kinda obsessed. Don't get me wrong,  I don't  question your motives, you are trying to help people and you genuinely believe that this is the best advice. It is just a friendly note, i think you are over-doing it, which is serving your initial purpose bad too, like insisting too much will make people feeling negative and fed-up towards what you are saying.
Or , all this could be my own totally distorted and subjective perception, you are just fine and i am an old itchy easily-irritated weirdo, so nevermind.  ;D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2372 on: September 01, 2014, 09:05:12 am »
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Do the Texas Method.

OR ELSE.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2373 on: September 01, 2014, 02:55:05 pm »
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1 September 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~83.5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

GPP PHASE - Workout #1

HIGH BAR PAUSED FULL SQUAT:
10@60kg
10@65kg
10@70kg
7@75kg
-Great, stronger than i expected. Not sure if i should switch to steady weight or keep ramping.

PAUSED BENCH PRESS:
10@50kg
10@50kg
10@50kg
8@50kg
-Not sure if good or bad.

PULLUPS:
10@BW
8@BW
7@BW
7@BW
-Nice.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
15@60kg
15@60kg
15@60kg
-Started light and not-paused, want to ease into them or else sore calves will destroy my training week.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2014, 02:56:49 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2374 on: September 04, 2014, 06:05:50 am »
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3 September 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~83kg
Soreness : quads, hamstrings, glutes, abductors, calves, chest, lats. Yes, everything. But nothing too much,
Injuries/aches : none

-1 hour of bball practice.
Felt good, like i am having good breaths. Maybe just because weather got cooler.
Also i am feeling soooo much lighter on my feet doing everything vs high 80s / low 90s bw. Yeah, no shit!
Bunch of jumps in the end, getting 10'5'' / 30'' although very tired, which is good. Feeling i am getting more powerful/efficient at the plant&extension phase.
RVJ still all over the place though, slow and clumsy and inefficient, just 0.5'' higher than 1-step. Not that i expected something better, just logging it.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2375 on: September 05, 2014, 05:07:20 am »
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4 September 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~82.5kg , oops, too low
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

GPP PHASE - Workout #2

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT:
8@80kg
8@80kg
8@80kg
-Limiting factor=grip. Hope it catches up fast.

DUMBBELL LUNGE:
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand
8 each leg @ 14kg each hand
-Strong legs, awkward movement feeling.

DUMBBELL NEUTRAL GRIP SEATED OHP:
12@14kg each hand
12@14kg each hand
10@14kg each hand
-Nice

DUMBBELL CURL:
12 each hand @ 14kg
10 each hand @ 14kg
12 each hand @ 12kg
-Hm, failed to complete 2nd set with the 14s.

TRICEPS ROPE PUSHDOWN:
12@20kg
12@17,5kg
12@17,5kg
-20kg was too hard, form was breaking down so i reduced weight.

SEATED WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
15@90 lbs
15@90 lbs

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
15@BW
15@BW

Looks like bodyweight is going down, even though i upped my caloric intake. Makes sense, daily drinking is replaced with daily working out. On the bright side, it feels like it goes away from the right places, i think the love handles are finally shrinking.
Not changing anything yet anyway, gonna give at least 1 more week so the whole body gets used and balances, then i will remeasure and reconsider.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2376 on: September 05, 2014, 03:55:20 pm »
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5 September 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~82kg  :o
Soreness : glutes, hamstrings, quads, lower back, shoulders, biceps, triceps, abs
Injuries/aches : none

About 1.5 hours of bball practice.

Did about 45 minutes of shooting around and layups, medium to low intensity.

Then wanted to do this ( from this article http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/basketballgameshape.html ):
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maximal interval training with running, agility or basketball specific exercises 30-50 seconds in duration for 3 sets of 3 reps with 1.5 min between rest and 10-15 min between sets.
But i didn't remember the times, so i did 2 sets of 3 reps 100% intensity layups and running&dribbling , 2 minutes per rep , 2 minutes between reps, 5 minutes between sets.
Was exhausting, by the 2nd rep of 2nd set i was dead.

Bunch of jumps at the end, no juice left, getting 29'' max.

Weight after session : 80.7kg  :o  :wowthatwasnutswtf:  :uhhhfacepalm:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2377 on: September 06, 2014, 07:08:34 am »
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Body composition measurements:

Net morning weight : 81.4kg / 179.45lbs , below 180lbs, WORD!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Waist : 85.5cm / 33.66'' , all time lowest measurement ,   :personal-record:

Online bodyfat estimation : 14.8% , ties previous week's lifetime :personal-record:
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 14.1% , huge lifetime  :personal-record:
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 14.45% , lifetime  :personal-record:

Previous:
Net morning weight : 82kg / 180.75lbs , lightest i've been the last 5 years or so ,  :personal-record:
Waist : 85.75cm / 33.75'' , all time lowest measurement ,   :personal-record:

Online bodyfat estimation : 14.8% , first time ever under 15% at this .  :personal-record:
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 15% , oops, regressed here ,  :uhhhfacepalm:
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 14.9% , ties all time lowest average of last week.

I guess i am heading towards athletic anorexia, not sure of bad or awesome!  :-\
Gotta stabilize it, i think the missing link is that after more than a month of undereating, i failed to force-feed 3K+ at gym days.
Gonna try to achieve that, keep everything else as is, stabilize at around 82kg and hopefully recomp there.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2378 on: September 06, 2014, 07:43:21 am »
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Go lower. Get to ~75-76 kg and see how it feels, if you're already this close. From there you can easily gain back if it sucks.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2379 on: September 07, 2014, 03:34:09 pm »
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Oh come on, there was an extended discussion (2 pages) about that just a couple of weeks ago.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2380 on: September 07, 2014, 04:49:33 pm »
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So?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2381 on: September 08, 2014, 02:48:32 am »
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presumably because the sound doesn't exist in greek? many, many nonnative english speakers can't say "th" and substitute "t" "d" or "z" instead.

that will be me  :trolldance:
BW: 74kg
Ht: 174cm, 5'8
reach: 220cm

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2382 on: September 08, 2014, 03:56:19 am »
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cowed!!!!  :highfive:  :almostascoolasnyancat:

I forgot to log Saturday's gym:

6 September 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~82.5kg
Soreness : legs stiff/sore all around, shoulders and traps too
Injuries/aches : none

GPP PHASE - Workout #3
 
HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
3@80kg
3@90kg
-Nice. Not 3RM, but preferred to stay at an ultra-solid form triple for beginning.

CHINUPS:
10@BW
10@BW
8@BW
7@BW

DIPS:
10@BW
10@BW
8@BW
7@BW

LEG PRESS CALF 'RAISE':
10@400lbs
10@400lbs
10@400lbs
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2383 on: September 08, 2014, 04:38:55 am »
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How have your chins, pulls and dips fared with this loss of bodyweight? Any noticeable differences?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2384 on: September 08, 2014, 06:27:43 am »
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How have your chins, pulls and dips fared with this loss of bodyweight? Any noticeable differences?

Absolute strength is almost steady, maybe slightly increased. Obviously, relative strength went way up.
So for example in chinups:
February, BW 92kg,  PR = 9 reps @ BW+5kg. That is 97kg load, 125kg predicted 1RM , 1.36*BW.
July, BW 84kg, PR = 10 reps at BW+15kg. 99kg load ( 1% more ) , 132kg predicted 1RM ( 5%more ) , 1,56*BW ( 14% more !!! ).
So i got a 14% relative strength increase for a 8-9% weight decrease. Good deal! 8)
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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