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Quote from: Coges on August 14, 2014, 12:45:25 am

Here's how I approach it. If you can see good ab definition (4-6) in the mirror whilst flexing then you're ok to stabilise and start going back the other way.

Depends on the person though. If you are weight training and have some decent sized abs, you'll be able to see them quite early in a cut. does that mean you dont have to bother cutting? Maybe, maybe not, depends on what it means to see that defn. For me i cud see it when i was around 85kg..   pretty early on and not really lean. So suppose i end up cutting to 72kg to be in single digits bf%, what use would it have been to go by ab visibility, for me, not useful. For someone else, perhaps they only see their abs when they're close to 10%. All depends on the person, how built their abs are, how they store fat, etc. Too much variation for my liking to go by that alone..

This is the difference between you and I. You are extremely detail focused. I'm more big picture.
I don't think there's wrong or right here. Just different shades of mind fuckededness  .

So can I still eat my Nutella? That's what I want to know.

But i'm done with this discussion/debate, it's utterly pointless so i'm bowing out. No ones mind will be change today or ever, you gotta learn the hard way and then it's always obvious that the best advice was the one we didn't want to contemplate.

Very much disagree with the first part ( useless debate ) , love the last part ( best advice is the one you didn't follow ).
Those debates are always very useful, as long as you see them as training philosophy and understanding evaluation/readjustment and not internet flame wars that you have to convince the  world you are right and everyone else is wrong. Not saying you do that, talking generally. In our case, you are right that you can't convince me to go to 8% to bulk again and i can't convince you to start bulking right away. But maybe you have planted a seed in my mind and i will not start at 14-15% but try to get a little lower , like 12-13. And maybe i did the same to you, maybe you will not wait to go to 70kg/8% but start a bit higher, like 75/10. And that would most probably be very much beneficial for both of us. It is a try and catch process, chasing the 'golden mean'.

Good convo all round. Definitely made me think but not sure I'll change much.
Either way, it'll either work or it won't and I hope whatever we're doing works for all of us.

Aaaaaand, i am back!

Body composition measurements:

Net morning weight : 82.2kg / 181.2lbs , season low ,
Waist : 86cm / 33.85'' , ties all time lowest measurement , 

Online bodyfat estimation : 15% , ties all time  lowest measurement , 
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 14.8% , not 100% sure but this also has to be all time  ,
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 14.9% , broke under 15% on this average value ,  , 

Previous:

Net morning weight : 82.4kg / 181.6lbs , same with last time, ties season low!!!
Waist : 86cm / 33.85'' ,  new all time  , broke the 34'' barrier 

Online bodyfat estimation : 15%
BI scale bodyfat estimation : n/a
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : n/a

Not bad at all for not having done anything even moderately challenging for 3 weeks.

Ok, NEW SEASON. Still thinking about it.
Want to change things around a bit. Not gonna bulk for now, will stick to what i said, attempt to stay at this BW and get stronger/leaner.
Gonna start with GPP style gym, then switch to volume-intensity alternating. I want  to be 'athletically functional' all year round this time, as opposed to the previous years tactics ( bulk to 92+kg / ~20% bf all winter, neglect running & jumping, start cutting and jumping in the spring ). I will try to go out and do sprints and jumps and bball stuff as often as possible. As i also said, there is also the option/possibility of joining a track&field team, but gotta contact them to learn more. I would like to have a great bball endurance this year, i want to be able to use my -whatever mediocre- strength and jumping ability all around the game, not for the first 10 mins, lol. So what i was thinking was to use more bball sessions, instead of going out and doing tempos and jumps and sprints, go and do up-tempo bball practice. Maybe start with that, give some rest and then do some ME jumps/sprints for a finisher.
Dunno, will see , still trying to set it up in my mind.

Offtopic question, but why can't greeks pronounce "sh"?

As in Porsche? And they use "S" instead?

Yeah but if I hear you say the sound, I can/should be able to do it.

I mean, if you say Porsche, or if you say "shhhhhhhh" as in to "make silence", it's not that hard to do, right? I just ... don't get it.