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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3195 on: August 23, 2016, 08:44:32 am »
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wb vag!!!  :highfive:



20 days is awesome, where are you going?
Sorry for belayed reply. I was all around Greece, couple of seaside mainland places and couple of islands. It is too easy for us in the summer here and it is too good to consider going somewhere else, everything is reachable with a very cheap 30 minutes flight and even if you are not up to that there is always an awesome beach withing 1-2 hours drive, wherever you live.

Aaaaand, i'm back. No training at all those days, except from an extreme ( for my standards ) amount of walking the last 10 days at the islands ( mobile says 4-5 km per day ).

As we say here when coming back from holidays 'may we have a good winter'.

Man.  I miss the Mediterranean... I wanna visit Greece... Next summer I am.  That's it.  Seeya next year vag. 

This year I'm going to Japan... Anybody got any very advice for Japan?

dno. i've never been outside the US. :/  :ninja:

Well... You basically live in Cuba so there is that... Florida sucks.  But south Florida is cool and culturally interesting...

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3196 on: August 25, 2016, 05:08:27 am »
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24 August 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~83,5kg , oops! Must have had a whoosh or sth, i looked leaner too. Probably the carb reload of Monday?
Soreness : chest, lats, quads, hamstrings, glutes, abductors, calves, traps, triceps, shoulders, idk my dick too? everything sore but mildly, like 2,5/5
Injuries/aches : none

DEADLIFT:
6@40kg
6@60kg
6@80kg
6@90kg
6@100kg
3@110kg
-Grip fail at top set, legs were good for more. My DL/RDL grip always diminishes fast when i stop, but when i get back at it it catches up the same fast.

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP:
10@16kg each hand
10@16kg each hand
10@16kg each hand
10@16kg each hand

BICEPS Z-BAR CURL:
12@25kg
12@25kg
12@25kg

TRICEPS PUSH DOWN:
12@130lbs
12@130lbs
12@130lbs

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE:
15@BW
15@BW
15@BW
« Last Edit: August 25, 2016, 07:52:41 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3197 on: August 27, 2016, 05:47:56 am »
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26 August 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~83,5kg
Soreness : low back, hamstrings, abs, arms, traps
Injuries/aches : none

HALF SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
5@80kg
5@90kg
5@100kg
-Yup, those are made for me. Extremely explosive, concentric around half a second. 100kg was light for legs but cns and back were a little shocked.

DIPS:
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
-Nice.

'CHINUP GRIP' LAT PULLDOWN:
6@120lbs
6@130lbs
6@140lbs
6@150lbs
6@160lbs
6@170lbs
Nice.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3198 on: August 27, 2016, 11:59:45 am »
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26 August 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~83,5kg
Soreness : low back, hamstrings, abs, arms, traps
Injuries/aches : none

HALF SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
5@80kg
5@90kg
5@100kg
-Yup, those are made for me. Extremely explosive, concentric around half a second. 100kg was light for legs but cns and back were a little shocked.

nice!! :ibsquatting:

I imagine incorporating half squatting will be really good for you.. good move.

also, dick soreness is a bit odd.. no? hah.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3199 on: August 29, 2016, 05:50:53 am »
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Haha, dick soreness was a fancy way of saying that everything on me was sore.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3200 on: August 29, 2016, 06:28:22 am »
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Quote from: adarqui link=topic=284.msg124187#msg124187

dno. i've never been outside the US. :/  :ninja:

Am I mistaken, or didn't you go to china before, I remember you made a video about it, or was it just china town and you were just trolling us.
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

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A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3201 on: August 29, 2016, 11:15:38 am »
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Quote from: adarqui link=topic=284.msg124187#msg124187

dno. i've never been outside the US. :/  :ninja:

Am I mistaken, or didn't you go to china before, I remember you made a video about it, or was it just china town and you were just trolling us.

lmao!!! it was just a basketball gym full of asian people on one side, and black people on the other side.. that's a good memory though. :F

that was me just trolling/messing around @ 1:50 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_c2dz0C_4

i'm actually glad i just re-watched that video though.. weird but cool.  :ninja:

peace man!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3202 on: August 30, 2016, 04:48:56 am »
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29 August 2016

Bodyweight@session : ?
Soreness : quads and glutes
Injuries/aches : none

Went at the park

1500m RUN:
-Went very easy, barely faster than jogging. Got 10 minutes, not bad.

TEMPOS:
5*150m @ 80% , starting every 2 minutes.
-Went for some intensity here. Very nice, all were 30-32s and felt very easy, bouncy.

JUMPS:
SVJ : max 25-26''
Dropstep : max 28''
1-2-3 step DLRVJs : max 29''
-SVJ felt good. Dropstep too ( got more strict about it, back leg must not move at all ). Everything else was clumsy, couldn't coordinate well, like stumbling on my own feet if that makes any sense. Plant and takeoff were good though, smooth, fluid and with good power output.

I am the leanest i've been since last year currently, around 15%, also the lightest i've been this year, so i guess that's what made runs and jumps feel good, despite not having done them for an entire month. Well, gotta keep it, gotta stay lean and keep doing them, simple as that.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3203 on: August 31, 2016, 10:09:37 pm »
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29 August 2016

Bodyweight@session : ?
Soreness : quads and glutes
Injuries/aches : none

Went at the park

1500m RUN:
-Went very easy, barely faster than jogging. Got 10 minutes, not bad.

TEMPOS:
5*150m @ 80% , starting every 2 minutes.
-Went for some intensity here. Very nice, all were 30-32s and felt very easy, bouncy.

JUMPS:
SVJ : max 25-26''
Dropstep : max 28''
1-2-3 step DLRVJs : max 29''
-SVJ felt good. Dropstep too ( got more strict about it, back leg must not move at all ). Everything else was clumsy, couldn't coordinate well, like stumbling on my own feet if that makes any sense. Plant and takeoff were good though, smooth, fluid and with good power output.

I am the leanest i've been since last year currently, around 15%, also the lightest i've been this year, so i guess that's what made runs and jumps feel good, despite not having done them for an entire month. Well, gotta keep it, gotta stay lean and keep doing them, simple as that.

things are looking pretty good, especially considering you just came off that vacation. lightest/leanest in a long while, jumps are pretty high (especially DLRVJ) yet feeling clumsy on them still - since you haven't been jumping much .. and sprints/running is looking good.

excited.

pc!!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3204 on: September 01, 2016, 04:25:17 am »
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^Thanks man, yes, looks like a good start.

31 August 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg , much fluctuation
Soreness : VMOs a lot and rest of quads quite a bit, WTF!
Injuries/aches : none

ATG SQUAT:
4@72,5kg
7@60kg
7@60kg
-Gonna be doing 4-7-7 for my ATG squats.

BENCH PRESS:
5@60kg
5@60kg
5@60kg
14@50kg
-Gonna be doing 3x5+dropset here.

DEAD-HANG PULLUPS:
6@BW
5@BW
5@BW
WIDE GRIP LAT PULLDOWN: 15@130lbs
-Gonna be doing 3xF+lat pulldown dropset here.

STANDING CALF RAISE MACHINE:
12@BW+35kg
12@BW+35kg
12@BW+35kg

-So the day after runs and sprints i got this insane VMO soreness and pretty strong rest of quads soreness. As if i did a huge volume of squats. I don't get it. Had to postpone lifting one day.
Now it is fine but still, WTF!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3205 on: September 05, 2016, 05:20:44 am »
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2 September 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HALF SQUAT:
5@22,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@42,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@82,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@92,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@102,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Great, they started feeling lighter already, despite upping load.
Plan is to stay consistent with them all year and get to a legit 5x160kg top set around end of June. That is 60kg in 10 months, 6kg a month, very doable.

DIPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
PUSHUPS: 20@BW
-Strong.

DEAD HANG 'CHINUPS:
8@BW
6@BW
6@BW
CHEST SUPPORTED HORIZONTAL ROW MACHINE: 15@45kg
-Strong.

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE:
15@BW
15@BW
15@BW
-Hard.



That workout was done Friday night. Felt great. But then , late afternoon of Saturday, my lower back got wrecked. It is Monday morning now and it finally faints, but it was not good. Dunno what happened, i videotaped my half squats and they were pretty legit, i don't goodmorning at all. Maybe one thing i do wrong is that i do them very explosively, getting on my toes at the end, the bar practically leaves my shoulders, so as i go back down i guess the bar actually does a ~ 5'' free fall, then my spine has to absorb all of that ( oly shoes , locked knees from hyperextension ). SO, long story short, i should stop doing them explosively, the good things with halves come from the supramax load, if i want to do explosive lifting i should do it with less weight, as prescribed.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3206 on: September 05, 2016, 06:09:42 am »
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That workout was done Friday night. Felt great. But then , late afternoon of Saturday, my lower back got wrecked. It is Monday morning now and it finally faints, but it was not good. Dunno what happened, i videotaped my half squats and they were pretty legit, i don't goodmorning at all. Maybe one thing i do wrong is that i do them very explosively, getting on my toes at the end, the bar practically leaves my shoulders, so as i go back down i guess the bar actually does a ~ 5'' free fall, then my spine has to absorb all of that ( oly shoes , locked knees from hyperextension ). SO, long story short, i should stop doing them explosively, the good things with halves come from the supramax load, if i want to do explosive lifting i should do it with less weight, as prescribed.

ha, im going thru something similar. worked out saturday, didnt have any probs, sunday fine, monday ive got shooting pain down my leg, back is stiff, all of that fun stuff. im not bothered, it will prob be fine tmr. I have been using more weight on bs so imagine there is an adaptation occuring in response to the skeletal loading. i wouldnt worry about it, just stretch any tight hamstrings, hipflexors, piriformis etc and keep training. it will prob sort itself out. wud be an overreaction to change your training without giving yourself a chance to adapt first.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3207 on: September 05, 2016, 09:01:31 pm »
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2 September 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HALF SQUAT:
5@22,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@42,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@82,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@92,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@102,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Great, they started feeling lighter already, despite upping load.
Plan is to stay consistent with them all year and get to a legit 5x160kg top set around end of June. That is 60kg in 10 months, 6kg a month, very doable.

DIPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep )
7@BW ( +1 rep )
6@BW
PUSHUPS: 20@BW
-Strong.

DEAD HANG 'CHINUPS:
8@BW
6@BW
6@BW
CHEST SUPPORTED HORIZONTAL ROW MACHINE: 15@45kg
-Strong.

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISE:
15@BW
15@BW
15@BW
-Hard.



That workout was done Friday night. Felt great. But then , late afternoon of Saturday, my lower back got wrecked. It is Monday morning now and it finally faints, but it was not good. Dunno what happened, i videotaped my half squats and they were pretty legit, i don't goodmorning at all. Maybe one thing i do wrong is that i do them very explosively, getting on my toes at the end, the bar practically leaves my shoulders, so as i go back down i guess the bar actually does a ~ 5'' free fall, then my spine has to absorb all of that ( oly shoes , locked knees from hyperextension ). SO, long story short, i should stop doing them explosively, the good things with halves come from the supramax load, if i want to do explosive lifting i should do it with less weight, as prescribed.

my 2 cents.. avoid the -onto-toes-bar-free-fall-explosiveness-.. it's just not needed. The most important bit of explosiveness is the transition from eccentric to concentric imho (which is way far from the top of the lift). you still want to accelerate the bar up but, no need to extend it all the way through onto your toes.

if you really wanted to attack both of those things in the same session you could complex half squat with box jumps/SVJ's etc.. but I don't think it's much more effective than just separating them out. It can also make your knees feel a bit achy if you complex heavy maximal strength exercises with explosive jumps etc, from my experience.. So I avoid that stuff. FWIW, I did enjoy complexing squat with jump rope.

and ya like you said, if you want to do some ballistic lifts, they are better off being ~20-30% 1RM .. even then, still not needed right now imho.

pc!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3208 on: September 07, 2016, 05:05:24 am »
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Yeah, always AELS , better safe than sorry. The thing with the toes and/or the explosive lifting is i didn't do it intended. I just got carried away from the force output potential and kept pushing as hard as i could. I'll try to control it from now on. Still not 100% yet, but i think i can lift now. Planned to run instead the previous days but we got the first autumn storms so i haven't done shit since Friday. FML.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3209 on: September 08, 2016, 09:51:54 pm »
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Yeah, always AELS , better safe than sorry. The thing with the toes and/or the explosive lifting is i didn't do it intended. I just got carried away from the force output potential and kept pushing as hard as i could. I'll try to control it from now on. Still not 100% yet, but i think i can lift now. Planned to run instead the previous days but we got the first autumn storms so i haven't done shit since Friday. FML.

that got me thinking of something.. i've always wanted to run on a rubberized/pro track with spikes, in the rain. dno why, just sounds fun af.