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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3075 on: April 18, 2016, 05:29:35 am »
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damn that's crazy about your quads still being so wrecked.

nice upper body PR's though.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3076 on: April 18, 2016, 11:52:43 am »
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damn that's crazy about your quads still being so wrecked.

nice upper body PR's though.

Yup, they are wrecked. It does not feel like DOMS, more like overuse fatigue, at the boundary of being considered pain.
They will catch up though. Gonna take it easy as stated, it will work.



Ok, next routine, T0ddday inspired.

Ingredient#1 , old program designed for LBSS, two days split ( track/gym ):

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*** Track Workout ***
1) Dynamic Warmup, Leg swings, Fast leg, Skips, Strides
2) 10 Measured overhead backward shot tosses (16lbs, aim to get better at these every workout, do these on a field where you can measure your throw, more than 13 yards is required, getting close to 15 yards is good, close to 17 is very very good).

- Bounding/ Jumping ( choose about 3 of them and also include the running SL vertical jump and REALLY focus on improvement) -

1) 3-6 standing broad jumps
2) 3-6 Depth broad jumps (should go a lot farther on these)
3) 2-3 4 double leg bounds, 8 DL leg bounds (again measure these, hopefully you 4 DL bound is better than 4X standing broad jump)
4) Measured Single leg bounds** (ie LLLL or RRRR)
5) Measured Standing Triple jumps**
6) Running SL vertical jump (3 step, 6 step)
 
- Running -

1) 3-4 Full effort measured 60m sprints (Hand time will suffice as long as you have a buddy who can provide somewhat repeatable times)
2) Tempo Work (If necessary for fat loss, skip if you do weights following track work)

** Either do these full intensity and try to progress OR if you don't feel like you have the hang of it (ie you go less than 10 yards, or you don't get a full cycle in each leg or can't coordinate the arm swing... Then include them as part of the warmup and drill the form until you have it)


**** Weights/Gym Workout ****

1) Warmup
2) Powerclean or Powersnatch -> work up to a challenging weight for a couple triples
3) Squat.   Work up to a challenging but not max single.  Do 2-3 sets of 3-5 with 80% of this.
4) Standing Push Press
5) Deadlifts (Optional)
6) Circuit (Here is where you can do RDLs, Calves, Pullups, etc.  This stuff is important but your mindset when you come into the gym should be in order of preference:  Squat more, Snatch\clean more, push press more/deadlift more.  Thinking about much more than this will cause you to lose focus. )
7) Standing vertical jumps/Running vertical jumps [10 each]
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That's really all you need.  Try to do the track/bound workout 2x per week and then weights 2x week.  If you have more time then you can add another day of weights or add 1-2 more days of track tempo (ie 6-8 x 150 or 200m at 75%) if you need it for fat loss. You can arrange it however you want such as Monday: Track Workout, Tues: Weights, W: Track tempo, R: Track workout (AM), Weights (PM).  Friday rest, Sat: Weights (AM) Track Tempo (PM).


Ingredient #2 , T0ddday's recommendation for me now:

Settle into a routine where you can really be fit enough to relearn your movement patterns.
Get a new routine where you go 2-3x a week and do a workout like 477 for squats once per week and working up to a heavy double at least once a week.  Incorporate some bands and fly

The workout:

Gym day 1 :
Hang powerclean , heavy 3s
Squat 4-7-7
Bench press
Pull-ups
Core and/or calves

Gym day 2:
Push press, heavy 3s
Deadlift , heavy single if feeling fresh.
RDL , 2-3x6-8
Some kind of push, say incline DB bench press.
Core and/or calves

Gym day 3:
Hang powerclean , build up to heavy single
Squat : build up to heavy double
BSS : 3x8
DB OHP
Pullups
Core and/or calves

Track day:
3-6 standing broad jumps
2-3 4 double leg bounds ( hopefully you 4 DL bound is better than 4X standing broad jump)
3-4 Full effort measured 60m sprints
Tempo Work , 6-8 x 150 or 200m at 75%

Gonna try to have 3 gym days and 2-3 track days each week.
Bounds will be replaced with ME DL jumps later on.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3077 on: April 19, 2016, 03:20:40 am »
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18 April 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~86,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

NOT YET APPROVED/NAMED ROUTINE

Week #1
Total gym days : 0
Total park days : 1

Park day


Dynamic warmup

6 * standing broad jumps
-Average ~2.1m , couple of 2.25m , best 2.4m

4 * 4 DL bounds:
-Mostly ~8.5m , one ~9m.

4 * 60m @ 100%
-All around 10 seconds. Could be 9:x , need a new stopwatch but i didn't get it yet, so those were self-timed with mobile.
Whatever, time is not important so early. I know that i will have to improve the measurement accuracy dramatically later, i will.

6 * 150m @ 75% , run ~30s , walk 90s , repeat.
-Interesting study on tempos. Since my 100% 100m is ~16s and my 100% 200m is ~35s i figured my 100% 150m should be around 25s. So 75% should be around 35s.
Then i started the tempos and i was going with what i thought was 75% effort but i kept getting ~30s. Eventually i lowered effort at what felt like 50% to get 35s.
Finally, did the last one @100% and got 26s indeed. Cool stuff, noob learning is always funny.

Kinda embarrassing 60m and broad jump / DL bounds measurements. What can you do , they are what they are.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2016, 04:58:18 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3078 on: April 19, 2016, 05:12:49 am »
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not embarrassing, lots of room for improvement. If you can turn those ~10s (which sound close to ~9.Xs already? into ~8.Xs, those would be decent times. Obviously they aren't 6.Xs/7.Xs but you're not a sprinter. That'd be some good stuff.... also your legs seem pretty toasted right now ;f

routine looks like a great transition. those track days are going to get you beasting out. can't wait to see what happens when you phase in those ME jumps after a while.

also what kind of shoes are you doing the track work in? it's times like those that I absolutely love my XC flats.. feel so light and springy in those shoes. ;f

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3079 on: April 19, 2016, 05:22:47 am »
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Hm... I should time my 60m too, soon. I wonder what I would get.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3080 on: April 22, 2016, 05:43:46 am »
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I am wearing adidas supernova glide boost for all my outdoor activities. I love boost foam with passion. Shoe is not ultra light like them XCs etc but it is not heavy/bulky either, it is a great combination of everything.

Abs and hamstrings got torched from the sprints & bounds session. Some glutes soreness too. No quads at all. Got my ass to the gym yesterday.

21 April 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

NOT YET APPROVED/NAMED ROUTINE

Week #1
Total gym days : 1
Total park days : 1

Gym day


HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
-50kg felt lighter than i expected. However didn't push it, gonna take it easy, initially focus more on form, triple extension, power. Weight can wait.

SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
3@60kg
2@80kg
2@90kg
-Ah, nice, fatigue/stress is going down. Doubling 90kg was much more easy and solid that doubling 80kg last time. Still far from 100% though.

BENCH PRESS:
5@60kg
5@60kg
5@60kg
20@40kg

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
LAT PULLDOWN DROP-SET: 15@130lbs

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISES:
15@BW
15@BW

45' EXTENSIONS:
15@BW
15@BW
« Last Edit: April 22, 2016, 02:53:11 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3081 on: April 22, 2016, 05:53:53 am »
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Are they good? I tried some boost shoes and they felt extremely unstable sideways - they felt like they would twist my ankles both medially and laterally, something that I never feel with regular running shoes. Have you noticed that? It feels like if I don't run COMPLETELY straight they are "wobbly".
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3082 on: April 22, 2016, 09:02:25 am »
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They are great. There are many variations, i picked those because at the time they had the best stability/firmness combination. They are running shoes, i wouldn't play basketball in them. But they serve my DLRVJs awesomely too, i squat-plant anyway. Here is their review , mine are the 6s , i see the 8s are out now : http://www.runnersworld.com/shoe/adidas-supernova-glide-6-mens
I recently read this review, this is the ultra-boost ( even more 'magic' foam ) with design emphasis on stability : http://weartesters.com/adidas-ultra-boost-st-performance-review/
And i still haven't taken those babies out of their box, saving them for next year but will probably will take them for a test-drive at the park when i start jumping , stay tuned: http://weartesters.com/adidas-rose-6-performance-review/
« Last Edit: April 22, 2016, 09:11:26 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3083 on: April 22, 2016, 02:51:48 pm »
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22 April 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : chest a lot, quads, abs, triceps and back a little
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #1
Total gym days : 1
Total park days : 2

Park day #2


Dynamic warmup

6 * standing broad jumps
Best = 2,4m , same with last time.
-However all the others were at ~2.25, improvement.

4 * 4 DL bounds:
Best = 9.3m ,  two times , :personal-record:
-The others were 9m. Last time's best = this time's base, win. Difference was arm-swing timing.

4 * 60m @ 100%
-Best = 9.7x s ,  :personal-record:
All the rest around 10. Sloppy timing again. Mobile sucks. Gotta get that stopwatch this weekend.

6 * 150m @ 75% , start every 2 minutes
-Much improved intensity % control, missed only the first one ( ~31s ) , got all the others around 35s as planned.

2 silly PRs today, just because it is new exercises though, lol. Gonna get a few more the next couple of weeks. Legs fatigue going down together with  learning the movement = easy progress. Then begins the challenge. Ill be there to take it.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2016, 02:55:01 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3084 on: April 22, 2016, 04:10:41 pm »
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or use mobile to record yourself, and thus get a reasonably accurate time.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3085 on: April 22, 2016, 04:33:11 pm »
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Yeah have someone film you, and then you can view the timer in the movie itself and find out your time.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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« Reply #3086 on: April 25, 2016, 05:08:15 am »
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^^Yes, you are both right obviously. It is a bit if a pain int the ass though setting cam up to get both start and end, i need to get my cam and tripod there too ( no place to put phone ) etc. I'll do it eventually ( for form check too ) but it is still so early that i don't care that much about accuracy,. The stopwatch start-at-toes-off-stop-at-first-touch-over-finish-line covers me 99.99%, just need a new stopwatch.



23 April 2016

Bodyweight@session : 85kg , 2016 lowest. Expected+'fake', AM training with light dinner and no breakfast
Soreness : chest, quads, abs, hamstrings, glutes
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #1
Total gym days : 2
Total park days : 2

Gym day #2


PUSH PRESS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
4@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg

DEADLIFT:
10@20kg
10@40kg
8@60kg
6@80kg
3@100kg
1@120kg
0@140kg
RDL 2*8@90kg

DIPS:
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW

STANDING CALF RAISES MACHINE:
12@BW+70kg
12@BW+70kg
12@BW+70kg
12@BW+70kg

Quads off again. LOL, its a recover-and-re-wreck process. They ruined my DL 140kg PR tie attempt. I could get the weight up with my back but i didn't, wanted it to be leg-driven, especially at the start. So i failed. They ruined my push-press too, there was not much quality at the push component. What can you do.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2016, 05:17:21 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3087 on: April 26, 2016, 05:48:23 am »
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25 April 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : weird quad soreness
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #2
Total gym days : 2
Total park days : 3

Park day #1


Dynamic warmup

6 * standing broad jumps :
Best = ~2,25m , average = ~2.1m
-Small decrease from last time.

4 * 4 DL bounds :
Best = ~9.4m ,  :personal-record:
Improvement at the other ones too, again last time's peak was this time's base.

4 * 60m @ 100% :
-All around 10s

6 * 150m @ 75% , start every 2 minutes
1 * 150m @ 100% : ~25.5s ,  :personal-record:

Quads keep surprising me. This usual 'fatigue' that i complain all the time, which is always located at the middle of vastus lateralis, was not there. Now i had an intense soreness feeling at the middle and high of the quads, should be middle of rectus femoris or top of vastus medialis from what i see. No idea where it came from. It would be pretty bad , during sprints i was almost cramping, WTF!
This weird quad soreness caused a voluntary force output sabotage, broad jumps and sptint strarts felt bad.
However, there was a notable improvement in reactivity/bounce, running at top speed and bounding felt very fluid and easy, as evidenced by the 150m and DL-bound PRs despite bad quads.
Easter coming up here, 5 days of no activity and increased sleep&food, so i'll keep grinding till then.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2016, 05:54:08 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3088 on: April 26, 2016, 05:46:01 pm »
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26 April 2016

Bodyweight@session : ~86kg
Soreness : quads , abs, little glutes.
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #2
Total gym days : 3
Total park days : 3

Gym day #1

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
3@50kg
3@52,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
3@55kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@50kg ( extra set )
-Great, powerful, fast and fluid.

SQUAT:
4@80kg
7@70kg
7@70kg
-Nice. This 'new' quad soreness doesn't mess with my squat like the 'old' quad fatigue.
Fatigue is still there but it is clearly diminishing. Finally i could do some volume in good form and feel. Decent base to build up from.

BENCH PRESS:
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
5@62,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
20@45kg ( +5 kg )
-Good progress.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
6@BW
6@BW
6@BW
LAT PULLDOWN DROP-SET: 18@130lbs ( +3 reps )

SLANT BENCH LEG RAISES:
10@BW ( -5 reps )
10@BW ( -5 reps )
-Fail, abs were destroyed, true pain when contracting.

45' EXTENSIONS:
15@BW
15@BW
« Last Edit: April 26, 2016, 06:10:28 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #3089 on: April 28, 2016, 05:03:39 am »
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27 April 2016

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : quads, hamstrings, glutes, abductors, chest, lats, traps, lower back, abs. lol
Injuries/aches : none

T0DDDAY-BASED ALTERNATING GYM-TRACK SPLIT

Week #2
Park day #2


Dynamic warmup

4 * standing broad jumps :
Average = best = ~2.1m
-Small decrease from last time.

3 * 4 DL bounds :
Best = average = ~9m

3 * 60m @ 100% :
-All a little over 10s

8 * 150m @ 75% , start every 2 minutes

Volume squatting after 20 days anhilated my legs. Also had very sore abs. Those combined had me totally broken, resulting notably bad performance.
So i cut the volume at bounds and sprints and upped volume at the tempos.
Next morning : wrecked , abs and hamstrings hurt at every contraction!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?