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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2760 on: July 24, 2015, 08:19:29 pm »
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now you just need a good lob.  :ibjumping: :ibjumping: :ibjumping:
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2761 on: July 25, 2015, 04:13:49 am »
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awesome!  :almostascoolasnyancat: :ibsquatting: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibjumping:

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2762 on: July 25, 2015, 08:42:53 am »
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Wow, much love, so upvoting, very motivation, such thanks, wow


25 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~83,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #52( Week #20)

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
3@30kg
2@40kg
1@50kg
1@60kg
1@65kg , ties  :personal-record:
-First time getting 65kg with first try, also first time 60kg was easy. Very nice.

HIGH BAR ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
5@75kg
3@90kg
MEBM : 20@60kg , no pause
-Paused squats were harder than last time, MEBM was easier ( less brutally exhausting to be accurate).

SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand
10@18kg each hand ( +1 rep )
8@18kg each hand
-ok.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 30kg ( -6 kg per hand )
10 each hand @ 30kg ( -6 kg per hand )
10 each hand @ 30kg ( -6 kg per hand )
10 each hand @ 30kg ( -6 kg per hand )
-Felt i needed a reset here. Maybe silly to reset 1 week before gym season end but whatever.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
Didn't to, gym was closing.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2015, 08:46:41 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2763 on: July 28, 2015, 06:26:22 am »
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27 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #53, ( Week #21)

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
3@30kg
3@40kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@52,5kg
3@52,5kg
3@55kg
-Tripling 55 while tired is now easy. Awesome.

RDL:
DEADLIFT:
5@50kg
4@70kg
3@90kg
2@110kg
1@130kg
1@150kg , lifetime  :personal-record: , previous was 140kg
-I cancelled RDL and maxed out deadlifts. I have no idea why. Was fun. 130kg very easy and fast. 150kg slow grinder but good form i think.
I haven't deadlifted for 1 year, when i did another max-out, and before that another year and so on. Maybe i should DL more.

BENCH PRESS:
10@50kg
8@50kg
8@50kg
-Even weaker with this 'new' reseted form than my already girly-weak bench.
However i see the potential of bringing it up, it feels a more legit/stable movement.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
9@BW ( +1 rep ) , lifetime  :personal-record:
6@BW
6@BW ( +1 rep )
Total = 21 reps  ( +2 reps )
Drop-set: Lat-Pulldown: 11@150lbs
-Awesome.

STANDING PAUSED CALF RAISE MACHINE ( 1:1:5 ):
8@BW+80kg
8@BW+80kg
8@BW+80kg
8@BW+80kg
-Awesome, currently love those, much better than high-rep normal speed ones.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2764 on: July 28, 2015, 08:09:44 am »
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a 5s eccentric sounds like hell on earth.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2765 on: July 28, 2015, 03:49:35 pm »
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28 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

RUNS & JUMPS SESSION :

1 MILE RUN :
Time : 8m flat ,  :personal-record:  :personal-record: :personal-record: , destroys previous PR by 30 seconds
Average speed : ~12 kmh
Pace : ~5m / km
-Awesomeness!!! Was a hard run though, i'd say 9-9,5 RPE

TODDDAY METHOD JUMPS:
SVJ :  max 26''
Dropstep : max 29,5''
1-step DLRVJ : max 30''
2-steps DLRVJ : max 29''
3-steps DLRVJ : max 30
-Don't know if it was the extreme heat or the hard run but those wouldn't work.

That was the 7th out of the last 8 workouts ( and 4th consecutive )  that i got to use the  :personal-record: icon.
Forgive the arrogance but...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2766 on: July 28, 2015, 04:33:38 pm »
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Pace : ~5m / km

5 meters/kilometer?

 :trollface:

BTW... you do jumps after running one mile? Are you nuts?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2767 on: July 29, 2015, 04:42:10 am »
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BTW... you do jumps after running one mile? Are you nuts?

A mile ain't that bad though, if it is not all out like last night. It warms you up pretty well, a 10 minutes mile is a quick jog.
My 'full ordinary' sequence is a fast but not all out mile ( 7-8 RPE, 9-10 minutes ) , 10-15 tempos 80-100m @70% and then the jumps.
And i am able to progress the jumps with that sequence. But yeah, a good dynamic warmup and then just the jumps serves the jumps better, no doubt.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2015, 04:46:37 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2768 on: July 29, 2015, 06:19:54 am »
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I would probably have a ~100% collapse rate in my plants after that, or 12 inch jumps at the most.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2769 on: July 31, 2015, 06:54:38 am »
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30 July 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~84kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
3@30kg
2@40kg
1@50kg
1@60kg
0@67,5kg
0@67,5kg
0@67,5kg
-Failed the PR attempts. First one was close, the others not.

HALF SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@60kg
5@80kg
5@100kg
5@120kg
5@140kg
-No go, quads were very stressed at reversal. Had to play it safe and cancel the top set.

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@35kg
10@35kg
10@35kg
10@35kg
-Great.

Then i gym was closing so I had to complete the workout at home with my 10kg DBs.

BICEPS BB CURL:
BICEPS DB CURL:
12@10kg each hand
12@10kg each hand
12@10kg each hand
12@10kg each hand
-10kg is to light so did slow negatives, like 1:1:2. Nice.

TRICEPS PUSHDOWN:
TRICEPS DB EXTENSIONS:
10@10kg each hand
10@10kg each hand
10@10kg each hand
10@10kg each hand
-That was extremely hard, limited ROM at last reps in all sets.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2770 on: July 31, 2015, 06:58:31 am »
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It's so weird looking how much you smoke me on the half squats and how much you struggle with the hang cleans while also being able to do a proper catch on the shoulders. Very interesting.

I guess you have better quads/better structure for quad "expression" whereas I have better PC. I don't know.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2771 on: July 31, 2015, 04:16:23 pm »
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It could be the other way around. My HPC is not that low, it is around 60-70% of my squat 1RM. Your HPC is ~20kg heavier than mine but your full squat and deadlift are ~40kg heavier than mine. Also my half squat numbers are rather normal compared to my full squat. Ok, maybe a 10% better than expected but that is all. So maybe it is your half squat that is very weak compared to your other lifts. It may be muscular recruitment ( quad vs hip dominant ), it may be structural ( limb lengths, body metrics etc ), it may be whatever.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2015, 04:19:22 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2772 on: July 31, 2015, 04:44:10 pm »
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It's really, really weird.

When I jump off two, for example for a jumpshot, I feel 100% quad. No glute no nothing. In fact, my two leg jump with a ball in hand looks and feels horrible, for a jumpshot. And when I land I feel like crashing. I basically just bend at the knees and jump, the hips don't do anything.

So how can I be quad dominant in a jump and yet suck at half squatting? Doesn't make any sense. Unless I have weak quads and even weaker posterior chain, so the CNS is like "well OK, let me choose a knee bend since the quads are a bit stronger".

But then shouldn't I be better at half squats, like high bar squats (although it's a serious flexiblity issue there that is limiting me) and suck at deadlifts?

Really weird.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2773 on: August 01, 2015, 03:25:17 pm »
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Maybe the hips don't feel recruited but they actually are. What we feel is not what happens.
But try this ( if you haven't, which i am sure you have ): go jumping and focus on forcing it. After the plant and when putting power to jump think hard and try to feel and push your hips and glutes and hamstrings to explode you up. Might work, i found recently i was inhibiting my quad strength in the jump, i think as a result of my 8 month quad strain a couple of years back . I still haven't switched to auto, i do have to actively think "don't hold back, make them fire with all they got", but it works.

1 August 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~83,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
5@80kg
3@90kg
2@100kg
1@110kg
MEBM : 25@60kg , diesel
-Never saw the 110kg coming. Was true 1RM, stuck in the half squat rising for 1-2 seconds.
25 reps for the MEBM is PR i think. Felt like a century. Squatting over 20 reps distorts time, i am telling you!

SEATED DB ARNOLD PRESSES
12@10kg each hand
12@10kg each hand
12@10kg each hand
12@10kg each hand

NEUTRAL GRIP CHINUPS:
8@BW
7@BW
6@BW
Drop set : CG lat pulldown 12@150lbs

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@60kg
15@60kg
15@60kg
« Last Edit: August 01, 2015, 03:31:09 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2774 on: August 01, 2015, 04:44:55 pm »
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raptor have you tried, on jump shots, focusing primarily on flexing your glutes from the bottom of the knee bend through the wrist snap? i find that that really helps my form.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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