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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2670 on: May 12, 2015, 03:13:14 pm »
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12 May 2015

Bodyweight@session : ?
Soreness : very sore quads and chest, sore lats and calves
Injuries/aches : none

RUNS & JUMPS SESSION :

1 MILE RUN :
Time : 9m
Average speed : ~10.7 kmh
Pace : ~5m:37s / km
-Same with last week. I am stuck at 9m. Pushed the last 2 laps ( 500m ). Next time i will try to push 3 (750m).

TEMPO RUNS:
10x100m@60%
Run ~21s / rest 60s / repeat.
-Very nice. Doubled the volume ( 10 runs vs 5 ) , decreased the intensity ( 60% vs 80% ). Next time try 70%.

TODDDAY METHOD JUMPS:
SVJ :  max 26,5'' ( + 0,5'' )
Dropstep : max 29''
1-step DLRVJ : max 30''
2-steps DLRVJ : max 29'' ( + 1'' )
-Small improvement. Legs were tired/stiff. Not bad. Must fit in a ME recovered session to see current max.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2671 on: May 12, 2015, 06:44:00 pm »
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Would you recommend something similar to this thing above for fat loss? Like, one mile run (never ran more than 2 laps or half a mile, ever, in my life) + tempo runs?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2672 on: May 12, 2015, 08:19:45 pm »
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Well... this could be a very complicated discussion, but also as simple as it gets.
Will a mile + tempos help you to burn fat? Damn sure yes.
Is it optimal for fat loss? Probably not.
According to the book, the best fat burning thing to do is low impact steady state cardio. Jogging for 45 minutes, really relaxed, almost at fast walking speed, keeping heart rate at around 120bpm. But since we are jump people and basketball people, mixing a few more elements helps. This thing i do is a good mix of all. A fast but not all out mile run improves aerobic endurance without pushing lactic threshold, while tempos improve anaerobic endurance. Plus the added stimulus ( RFD, ankle stiffness etc ) from the sprints. Plus it is sooooo less boring than steady state cardio. Plus a good deal at the calories burned repository ( not most fat, but not all glycogen either ).
Since you are not used to running & sprinting much, together with your distance fears, i would say ease into it.
Start with the 'long' run as warmup. For starters fuck distance, just jog in a moderate pace for 15 minutes.
Then rest 5 minutes.
Then go for tempos, say 3 sets of 5 reps 100m. Start at 50% , so 100m should be around 20-25s. Run the 100m, rest 1 min, repeat. 3-5 minutes between sets.
Then instead of the jumps that i do, you can do a cooldown run, like the starting one but slower. Or jump. Or some plyos. Whatever.
Then you can start progressing it. Establish a standard distance for the first part ( the run ) , like i have established the mile, and start pushing your speed a bit more each time. Same with tempos, when you feel you can do the 3x5@50% with 'good breaths', bump it up to 60% and so on.
But in general, don't get too caught into fat loss details, whatever you do will work as long as you do it.  Go out and do whatever running thing comes to your head for 45-60 minutes. Steady pace running, fast walking, tempos, sprints, basketball shooting around, a little bit of all, they all work.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 08:21:44 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2673 on: May 13, 2015, 07:46:01 pm »
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Yeah these all sound like good ideas... it's weird but when I don't run maximally I "think" about my running and start moving really weird or having my muscles shut down randomly on random strides that I take - like I have my hips collapse or knees collapse or muscles lock down, I can't keep either a relaxed nor a stiff "pace".

I'm just too much of an overanalyser/obsessed on thinking about stuff and what's going on and all that jazz. If you combine that with my current mental state you get weird running behavior... I have never heard anybody else saying similar stuff to what I'm saying here.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2674 on: May 13, 2015, 09:46:26 pm »
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@raptor: maybe try distracting yourself while you run? if you don't want to listen to music (i don't like listening to music while i run, generally), try multiplying big numbers together or try to figure out all the words you can make out of the letters of a long word. your body knows how to run if you let it, i bet.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2675 on: May 14, 2015, 05:08:05 am »
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^Good ones! When i was doing longer distances back in the day, i really hated them. I wanted to do them but i couldn't wait for them to be over. And i can't run with music either. What i used to do was sing songs in my head, all the song, the instrumental solos too, then another one, an entire playlist.



13 May 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~83,25kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #25 ( Week #10 )

HANG POWER CLEAN TECHNIQUE:
5 muscle cleans++5 high pulls@20kg
3 muscle cleans++3 high pulls@25kg
3 muscle cleans++3 high pulls@30kg
3 muscle cleans++3 high pulls@35kg
3 muscle cleans++3 high pulls@40kg
-Very nice.

RDL:
8@70kg ( +10 kg )
8@80kg ( +10 kg )
8@90kg ( +10 kg )

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@25kg ( +5 kg )
10@27,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@30kg
10@30kg ( +2 reps )

BICEPS BB CURL:
10@22,5kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@25kg ( +2,5 kg )
9@25kg
7@25kg

TRICEPS PUSHDOWN:
10@110lbs ( +10 lbs )
10@110lbs ( +10 lbs )
10@110lbs ( +10 lbs )
10@110lbs ( +10 lbs )

Everything shot up, expected, this is the 'mid-week' workout i've been missing for a month, previous week was getting back at it so now everything goes up to normal.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2676 on: May 14, 2015, 09:37:55 am »
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i do the singing-to-myself thing, too!  :lololol:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2677 on: May 14, 2015, 06:34:54 pm »
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^haha, awesome!  :highfive:

7 May 2015

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : stiff/tired quads
Injuries/aches : none

1,5 hours full court basketball.
Good endurance, very good vert. Got 30'' dropstep and 31'' 1-step , both tie season best.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2678 on: May 17, 2015, 07:44:00 am »
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16 May 2015

Bodyweight@session : 84kg, bloated
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : legs too tired, not sore, stiff and exhausted

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #26 ( Week #10 )

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
2@50kg
0@60kg
0@60kg
0@60kg
-Weak. Failed 60kg after a very long time.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
3@80kg
2@100kg
10@70kg
-Weak. Same reps with last week but felt harder.

BB OHP:
9@40kg ( +1 rep )
7@40kg ( +1 rep )
5@40kg
Total = 21 reps ( +2 reps )
Dropset: 13@30kg ( +1 rep )
-Nice.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg ( +1 rep )
10 each hand @ 36kg ( +2 reps )
Total =  30 reps ( +3 reps )
-Nice.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@55kg
15@55kg
15@55kg
-Better again. Lost top ROM only at last two reps of last set.

Legs are exhausted. Always tired, even when they perform up to par.Searched a bit and found a reason that may have to to with it 'a little bit':
I have not deloaded at all since January!
I did 6 weeks RSR, then went for a week of hardcore skiing, then came back and started this program i am doing now for 10 weeks straight, while i also added extra activity ( runs and jumps session ). Also as all this is happening, i have not stretched or foam rolled at all.
:motherofgod:  :o  :uhhhfacepalm:

Deloading this coming week. Will try to SMR as much as i can too.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2679 on: May 17, 2015, 09:24:58 pm »
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Good job on realising before it's too late. A light week/week off should do wonders for you.
"Train as hard as possible, as often as possible, while staying as fresh as possible"
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2680 on: May 20, 2015, 08:05:43 am »
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I was planning to make it a light-week but work turned it to an off-week. Can't complain, good timing for those two to coincide. Back to the gym at Friday.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2681 on: May 24, 2015, 10:04:50 am »
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23 May 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~82,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #27 ( Week #11 )

HANG POWER CLEAN
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
1@50kg
1@60kg , nice
0@65kg , no chance
0@62,5kg , 'normal' miss
0@62,5kg , almost got it
0@62,5kg , no chance
-Good, progress!

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
3@80kg
2@100kg
11@70kg ( +1 rep )
-Good.

BB OHP:
SEATED NEUTRAL GRIP DB OHP
10@16kg each hand
10@16kg each hand
9@16kg each hand
-Switched to seated DB version, standing BB was starting to mess with lower back and left shoulder.

BENT OVER DB ROW:
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
10 each hand @ 36kg
Total =  30 reps
-Nice.

SEATED PAUSED CALF RAISE:
15@55kg
15@55kg
15@55kg
-A little better again. Lost top ROM only at last rep of last set.

Rest worked, legs were fresh and much stronger. However they were still tight! Gotta make stretching a daily thing. Should start logging it too.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2682 on: May 26, 2015, 04:29:45 am »
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25 May 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~83.5kg
Soreness : mostly hamstrings, a little bit quads and calves too
Injuries/aches : none

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #28 , ( Week #12 )

HANG POWER CLEAN TECHNIQUE:
MUSCLE CLEANS:
5@20kg
3@30kg
3@40kg
HIGH PULLS:
3@50kg
3@50kg
3@50kg
-Nice. Right trap was bugging. Not much though, just declaring presence.

RDL:
10@60kg ( -10 kg ) , ( +2 reps )
10@70kg ( -10 kg ) , ( +2 reps )
8@80kg ( -10 kg )
-Hamstrings were pretty sore so took a step back. Felt ok, was good for more but better play it safe.

BENCH PRESS:
9@60kg ( -1 rep )
7@60kg
5@60kg ( +1 rep )
Total = 22 reps
Drop-set : 11@50kg ( +1 rep )
-Not bad at all after 2 weeks.

DEAD HANG PULLUPS:
8@BW
6@BW
5@BW
Total = 17 reps
Drop-set : Lat-Pulldown 10@150lbs
-Not bad at all after 2 weeks.

STANDING CALF RAISE:
Totally forgot those, FFFFUUUUU.



Edit: I said i'd log my daily recovery stuff ( which i don't do, hoping i will start doing them ). I didn't. Here i start.

DAILY SMR:
none
SMR COMMIT COUNT: 0/1
« Last Edit: May 26, 2015, 09:22:58 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2683 on: May 27, 2015, 04:53:07 am »
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26 May 2015

DAILY SMR:

Foam rolling:
IT band for 3 sets of 5 slow up and down rolls.
Quads for 3 sets of slow up and down rolls.

Stretching:
Quads, 2 sets of 1 min each leg.
none

SMR COMMIT COUNT: 1/2

Started light. Legs were sore and tight all over again and foam rolling was really painful so i couldn't stay on the 'max-tightness' points.
But already from this tiny session there is a significant improvement today, legs felt much more fresh when waking up.
Gotta keep this up.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2684 on: May 28, 2015, 04:46:25 am »
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27 May 2015

Bodyweight@session : ~83kg
Soreness : chest and lats
Injuries/aches : tired/tight lower back

[HANG POWER CLEAN QUEST]+ [LANCE REST-PAUSE UPPER] ROUTINE

Workout #29 ( Week #12 )

HANG POWER CLEAN:
5@20kg
5@30kg
3@40kg
3@50kg ( +5 kg )
3@50kg ( +2,5 kg )
3@50kg ( +2,5 kg )
3@50kg
-Awesomeness. Heavier, faster, smoother. Best 5x3 session by far.

HALF SQUAT:
5@60kg
5@80kg
5@100kg
5@120kg
5@130kg
-Excellent power output. 100kg was flying off my shoulders, had to consciously hold the bar down.
However lower back felt the 120kg, so I skipped the top set. Pity, legs were strong, felt good for >130.

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@25kg
10@30kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@30kg
10@30kg
-Very nice.

BICEPS BB CURL:
10@25kg ( +2,5 kg )
10@25kg
10@25kg ( +1 rep )
10@25kg ( +2 reps )
-Very nice.

TRICEPS PUSHDOWN:
10@110lbs
10@110lbs
10@110lbs
10@110lbs
-Easy, should have done 120.

Overall stronger at everything despite not doing them the previous week. Great!



DAILY SMR:
none  >:(

SMR COMMIT COUNT: 1/3
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?