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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2250 on: July 10, 2014, 08:52:23 pm »
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fwiw, convention for seconds and fractions of a second is "." so 14.50, not 14:50. 14:50 would be a very good time for a 5k.

but props.  :highfive:
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2251 on: July 11, 2014, 05:40:44 am »
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Interesting. I guess the difference between '.' and ':' is the units. When you say 14.5 , you are referring to one unit, seconds, and you posted its quantity as a decimal number, 14.5.
In 14 minutes 50 seconds it is two different units. If you wanted to put it with '.' you would have to convert the smaller unit to the bigger, so it would be 14.8333 minutes.
Same for feet/inches, 9.6ft is not 9'6'', is a little bit over 9' 7'' while 9'6'' is 9.5ft. It is because of the different subdivision base ( 10 for decimals, 60 for seconds, 12 for inches etc ).
I am not sure what happens with decimal subdivisions of the same unit though. In our case, centisecond ( 0.01 second ) is a registered unit, so maybe you could also say 14 seconds : 50 centiseconds?
Or would you rather say WR : 5 seconds ? ? ? ? :D
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2252 on: July 11, 2014, 02:09:08 pm »
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11 July 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : quads and hamstrings, 3/5 (!?!?!?)
Injuries/aches :  shins splints a bit

I guess yesterdays' sprint-PR fest was not for free.

ME RIM JUMPS:
SVJ : max = 26,5''
Dropstep : max = 31'' , SEASON BEST!
1-step-DLRVJ : max = 31'' , ties season best.
2-steps-DLRVJ : max = 30,5'' , oops
Full runup DLRVJs : max = 31,5'' , SEASON BEST!!!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Mixed emotions again. Got 2 PRs, also runup and plant felt very smooth and efficient.
However there was a power link missing. I felt like i was capable of jumping even higher, it just wasn't happening.
31,5'' is awesome though, it is milestone because 31'' for me is exactly thumb base at rim. Going higher than that brought me to the 'base of palm at rim' area. But it not repeatable.

The boost shoes feel amazing so far, although too early. For the bball guys, walking on them and landing after jumps feels like air max, but sprinting and jumping feels responsive and firm like zoom.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2014, 02:12:24 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2253 on: July 11, 2014, 06:14:41 pm »
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So you say they're good... but what about one leg jumps in them?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2254 on: July 11, 2014, 08:19:11 pm »
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They feel amazing and I did PR on all kinds of sprints as jumps as you see. But it is too early to attribute it all to them. Maybe it was just a good week or maybe switching to any other new shoe would work. Let's see what happens next.
SLRVJs, I did them in the end. Legs were too tired, maximum controllable velocity too low. Still got 27'' though, I felt like I would get 25'' or less.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2255 on: July 12, 2014, 08:07:31 am »
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12 July 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~84,25kg, season low
Soreness : quads and hamstrings, even more than yesterday, 3.5/5 , WTF!
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE IV , Peak

Workout #8

9'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Awesome.

COMPLEX :
C1 : HALF SQUAT:
5@130kg
5@130kg
-Progress again, it is definitely speed reps now. Also 130kg started feeling normal on back.

C2: JUMP SQUAT:
2x5@20kg
-Awesome.

HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS CALVES 'RAISES':
13@495lbs
12@495lbs
12@495lbs ( +1 rep )
-Very strong.

CHINUPS:
10@BW+15kg ( +1 rep ) , :personal-record:  :personal-record:  :personal-record:
7@BW+15kg
10@BW
-Finally, all time predicted 1RM PR, ~132kg. Previous was ~131 from 11@(90+5kg) back in March.
Also big 1RM/BW PR , 1,56*BW.

DIPS:
10@BW+5kg ( +2 reps ) , :personal-record:
8@BW+5kg ( +1 rep )
11@BW ( +1 rep ) , BW reps :personal-record:
-Very strong here too.

That is it, i am ending the periodization program. One more 'peaked' ME jumps session on Monday and i am summarizing results.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2256 on: July 12, 2014, 01:46:31 pm »
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why? you're still progressing, are you not?
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2257 on: July 12, 2014, 02:16:06 pm »
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why? you're still progressing, are you not?

Agreed
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2258 on: July 12, 2014, 02:59:13 pm »
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why? you're still progressing, are you not?

Agreed

Well, this is something that i was thinking too. But this was a short-term peaking phase, it was supposed to be 2 weeks and i've taken it to 4 already. Yes i am progressing, but i was progressing on the other phases too and on my previous programs. I feel like i am neglecting a lot of important factors doing only supramax halfs. No deep squats, no pchain work, nothing. It was ok on the beginning, vert peak was the goal anyway, but being 4 weeks into it already makes it feel like i am overdoing it, like the only thing i can get out of it now is a 0,5'' season best RVJ that will be lost the minute i stop too.
Also, i am only about 3 weeks away from vacation so there is no time to do anything structured. So my thoughts were to go on a planned overreaching phase ( lots of volume ) until i leave and taper on that on vacation time. Having done 7 weeks of halfs and then 3 weeks off would be seriously neglecting/sabotaging strength ( which is my main weakness anyway ), no?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2014, 03:01:40 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2259 on: July 14, 2014, 05:47:10 am »
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Body composition measurements:

Net morning weight : 83.2kg / 183.4bs
Waist : 87cm / 34.25''

Online bodyfat estimation : 15.6%
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 15.1%
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 15.35%

Previous:
Net morning weight : 83,5kg / 184lbs
Waist : 87cm / 34,25''

Online bodyfat estimation : 15.6%
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 15.4%
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 15.5%

Progress!!! Pity i was kinda bloated, i believe i could have broken under 87cm waist under normal circumstances.
I confirm the drop from the mirror test too, i look noticeably leaner now. But still far from lean.
Oh well, carry on...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2260 on: July 14, 2014, 06:25:25 am »
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What do you use for bodyfat measuring? What site, I mean.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2261 on: July 14, 2014, 08:17:52 am »
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2262 on: July 14, 2014, 09:14:11 am »
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You Willoughby athlete!

WTF does that mean, by the way? :P

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The Willoughby athlete weight is calculated by dividing the cube of the height (in inches) by 1906 [Thanks to Konrad Balcerak for spotting a mistake in the text prior to August 2006]. The Willoughby athlete waist is calculated by multiplying the height by 0.4584.

David P Willoughby, who was a champion body builder in the early twentieth century, performed extensive anthropometrics measurements on highly-conditioned (male) athletes and found a direct proportionality between waist and height. His ideal form had a WHtR of 45.8%. Willoughby also tabulated data for the morbidly obese, and found the same proportionality between waist and height, but with a WHtR of 57.7%.

Interestingly, although in the Metropolitan Life Tables the weight values are proportional to the square of the height (in accordance with the calculation of Quetelet's Index or BMI), in Willoughby's data the weights are proportional to the cube of the height (in accordance with Rohrer's Index).

The Willoughby athlete weight is then the average ideal weight for male athletes; strength-trainers may weigh more, while endurance athletes will weigh less. Are you a Willoughby athlete? A check on this is to compare your waist measurement to the Willoughby athlete waist calculation.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2263 on: July 14, 2014, 10:00:15 am »
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It is actually just a table, it is affected only from height, for every height it has an 'ideal' waist and weight, where ideal came from athletes measurements.
2 posts about a table based on some measurements that a bodybuilder did 100 years ago is already too much fame for it, lol.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2264 on: July 14, 2014, 02:01:55 pm »
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Can we please talk more about it? Fascinating!
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps