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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2130 on: May 12, 2014, 04:25:31 am »
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^Failpost, lol
-Most probably 3x5 and most certainly 5x3 is NOT shorter in time than 2x8.
-2x8 takes about 3 minutes total anyway so even if they were shorter you win what, 30 seconds?
-Who said i want to make my workouts shorter?
-On my previous post ( that you read because you replied to it ) i said that it stops being 2x8, it becomes 6x5 now.
-Tweaking a Kelly Bagggett routine is not smart.

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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2131 on: May 12, 2014, 04:54:52 am »
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Not really, no. My point was to do a more power oriented jump squatting approach instead of using 8 reps during which, at the end, they will probably suck. The thing with the 1 minute rest periods was just to keep THIS 3x5 or 5x3 a bit shorter than what the same 3x5 or 5x3 would take if you were to pause as much as in your 2x8 (2 or 4 breaks in between sets instead of 1 break).

But whatever.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2132 on: May 12, 2014, 05:15:43 am »
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Dawww, dont go ' whatever', i am just messing with you, take the damn joke!
In all seriousness, of course 8 reps are a lot. And yes, the last ones sucked. But that was GPP, 2x8 appears only in the first 'strength' phase and as i said ( 2 times ) it has ended, no more 2x8.
They become 6x5 waveloaded up to 30% at the 'explosive' phase , 2x5 at the 'reactive' phase and 2x5 complexed with half squats in the peaking phase.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2133 on: May 12, 2014, 05:40:18 am »
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I know, but crazy as it may sound, even 5 reps are "too much" in my books. I've found out over time that FOR ME, over 3 rep sets for power exercises are bad from a myriad of standpoints: I keep back on my max power exertion so that I can have the same intensity during the 5th rep; if I don't, then my 5th rep sucks; my form breaks down etc. You can argue that "well, OK, then maybe these 8 reps sets will "condition" you a bit and make you perform better when you go with less reps per set". I don't know about that.

But, again, I've found out that for power, sets of 3 reps are the best. Maybe even better than singles. Because it's still a "skill" to perform the jump squats or whatever exercise you do, you can tune it up, technically speaking, to make your 3rd rep the best in terms of both power and execution.

It's the same with the depth jumps - it's not your first reps or even sets that are the best, it's usually somewhere in the 3rd set rep 2 or whatever. That's why I personally prefer sets of 3.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2134 on: May 12, 2014, 06:15:45 am »
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Nah, i am ok with 5 reps for jump squats, actually the last ones are better, something like potentiation from the first ones or sth, don't care anyway.
Same with depth jumps, I was good even with this 2x10 at this block and the quality reps were all around, no decrease. But i do leave 20 seconds between reps in them.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2135 on: May 14, 2014, 06:43:21 am »
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12 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~87kg , nice, back on track.
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE II , Week 1/2

Session A:

18'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Here we go. Now we are talking real depth jumps. Went good considering the height increase. Not great but good.

RHYTHMIC 1/4 JUMP SQUATS:
5@20kg
5@25kg
5@30kg
5@35kg
5@25kg
5@20kg
-Very good. Smooth and efficient landing/FA/reversal, good heights.

EXPLOSIVE FULL SQUAT @ 60% 1RM:
6x2@70kg
-Great! Very very fast, bar jumping ff shoulders, having to consciously stop me from jumping too.

BENCH PRESS:
7@65kg
7@65kg
-Same shit, can't progress. Fuck it, i don't care much about bench anyway!

PULLUPS:
7@BW ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
7@BW ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
-Silly PRs again from getting used to them. I like pullups, more lats and less arms than chinups. Gonna keep doing both anyway.

PAUSED STANDING CALVES RAISES:
20@60kg ( +5 kg )
18@60kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
18@60kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
-Progress again. I am sure now, it is the heavy leg press 3x10 raises of the other session that drive that progress.

SEATED WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
Forgot them, 2nd time in a row, WTF!!!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2136 on: May 14, 2014, 08:41:34 am »
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Maybe a good idea is to keep rotating pullups-chinups-neutral grip pullups, like I do.

I do 3 sets of 3 of these... and then start with the 2nd exercise the next time and so on.

pullups-chinups-ngp
chinups-ngp-pullups
ngp-pullups-chinups

etc
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2137 on: May 14, 2014, 02:32:06 pm »
+1
^Yes, this could be interesting.

14 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : 87kg
Soreness : a bit sore calves
Injuries/aches :  none

5' jogging

Dynamic warmup

3 mins rest

TEMPO RUNS:
5x100m @ 70%
3 mins rest
5@100m @ 70%
3 mins rest
5@100m @ 70%
-1 minute rest between runs.
Great progress, was steady at 19-20 seconds going VERY easy and with 3 minutes breaks between sets instead of 5, awesome!

10' RIM JUMPS:
3xSVJ : around 25'' , was at 26'' lately
3xdropstep : 27'' to 28''
3x1-step-DLRVJs : 29 to 30'' , SEASON BEST!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
3x2-steps-DLRVJs : all  30'' , SEASON BEST!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
3xfull runup DLRVJ : all 30'' , SEASON BEST!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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« Last Edit: May 22, 2014, 04:58:45 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2138 on: May 15, 2014, 01:14:23 pm »
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15 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : stiff quads

1 ½ hour pick-up basketball
Awesome endurance. By far the best this season. Those 3x5x100m tempos seem to work!
Good vert too, feeling bouncy. Did one rim jump, 10'5'' ( 30'' ) off one step, ties season best and it was easy too!
:highfive:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #2139 on: May 17, 2014, 10:10:12 am »
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17 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~86,75kg , season low  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE II , Week 1/2

Session B:

18'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Good. Better RFD than FA currently.

RHYTHMIC 1/4 JUMP SQUATS:
5@20kg
5@25kg
5@30kg
5@35kg
5@25kg
5@20kg
-I really like the wave-loading at those.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT SINGLES @90%:
6x1@102,5kg
-Rest between reps ~1:30.
It was hard. Good speed though. Not too heavy either. My legs are too stressed i think, i MUST add stretching and foam rolling.

HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS CALVES 'RAISES':
10@460lbs
10@460lbs
10@460lbs ( 2 reps )
-Strong.

CHINUPS:
10@BW+10kg ( +2 reps ):personal-record:
7@BW+10kg ( -1 rep )
-This is still NOT predicted 1RM PR as i have done 11@95kg(BW+5kg) , predicted 1RMs are ~129kg and ~131kg respectively.
However it is an all time 1RM/BW PR ( 1,48 vs 1,45 ).
1 set reps PR for BW+10kg too obviously.

DIPS:
8@BW ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
8@BW ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
-Great!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #2140 on: May 19, 2014, 01:46:44 pm »
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19 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~87kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

1,5km ( ~1mile ) jogging.

Dynamic warmup.

ME RIM JUMPS:
SVJ : around 25''
dropsteps : around 28''
1-step-DLRVJs : around 29''
2-steps-DLRVJs : around 29''
Full runup DLRVJs : around 29''
-I expected to PR but I didn't even get 30'' like i did lately.
I blame the rim, only the 9'6'' was free and that kinda screwed my mechanics, it is too low so i couldn't sync my touch-rim-at-peak well.
Also did a few dunks there. Rather too easy even from a 1-step runup. Lost interest too fast and called it a day.

:-\
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #2141 on: May 21, 2014, 05:35:19 am »
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20 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~86,75kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Kelly Baggett's simple periodization routine

PHASE II , Week 2/2

Session A:

18'' DEPTH JUMPS:
2x10
-Very good all around this time.

RHYTHMIC 1/4 JUMP SQUATS:
5@20kg
5@25kg
5@30kg
5@35kg
5@25kg
5@20kg
-Very good here too. Felt like getting very high with 20 and 25 kg.

EXPLOSIVE FULL SQUAT @ 60% 1RM:
6x2@70kg
-Great speed again.

BENCH PRESS:
7@65kg
7@65kg
-Stuck for good here. First reps are too easy but from rep 5 and above it gets exponentially hard. Weird.

PULLUPS:
8@BW ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
7@BW
-Very happy with how those progress.

PAUSED STANDING CALVES RAISES:
20@60kg
18@60kg
18@60kg
-Finally stalled after 3 sessions of constant progress. Fair.

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2142 on: May 21, 2014, 07:08:21 am »
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It drives me nuts when I see no hamstring work :P
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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« Reply #2143 on: May 21, 2014, 11:47:17 am »
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^^^
Wrong journal.  ;D
I have been consistent with hamstring work every single year of my training. This year alone i started with RDLs at 3x8@60kg and ended up doing 12-8-6@100kg.
I stopped RDLs just one month ago, only to do this periodization thing as written.
I know , it is not like a couple of RDL or GHR sets would ruin it but it is also not like not doing them will make my hams weaker, considering all the sprints and jumps i do lately too.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #2144 on: May 22, 2014, 04:56:58 am »
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21 May 2014

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5' jogging

Dynamic warmup

3 mins rest

TEMPO RUNS:
5x80m @ 60-70%
3 mins rest
5@80m @ 60-70%
3 mins rest
5@80m @ 60-70%
-45 seconds rest between runs.

Great again, sprints are easy, springy and recovery is good too.
Times were around 15:5 almost shutdown. When i pushed a bit more ( sth like 80% ) i got 14:3.
Still slow, but much progress in feel and times. My relaxed 80m time used to be 17s at my best, 20s usually.
Feeling like i can go to the track and get some real splits now.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?