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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2085 on: April 11, 2014, 07:00:25 am »
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I see you read what toddday told you and you understood it very well!  :goodjobbro: again

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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2086 on: April 11, 2014, 08:12:51 am »
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btw, t0ddday, greece isn't and wasn't ever in the eastern bloc!
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2087 on: April 11, 2014, 08:13:28 am »
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No, I didn't understand it.

By the same token I could start squatting 10% of my 1RM and say "hey, the important thing is that I'm squatting".
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2088 on: April 11, 2014, 08:51:22 am »
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btw, t0ddday, greece isn't and wasn't ever in the eastern bloc!

True. We were really close at some point though. So close it caused ( to a big extend ) this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_civil_war

No, I didn't understand it.

By the same token I could start squatting 10% of my 1RM and say "hey, the important thing is that I'm squatting".

You genuinely did not understand it. You are genuinely confused. Ok, read carefully and try to understand :

Neither toddday or i disagree that 16 seconds for 100m is a very slow performance. What we say is that TIME and EFFORT are not directly related.
YES, 16 seconds was slow as fuck. NO , it was not submax , it was all out, i gave all i got.

Your squatting example is wrong again, i never said i went 10% , i said i went 100% and you doubted it because i did 16 seconds.
In squatting, it would be like me saying "i went 1RM and it was 110kg" and you saying "It was not 1RM , because 110kg is too light and i can do 160kg".
And , like Bolt sees your all-out-never-fail 100m sprint as an eternity just as much as you see my 16 seconds as one, the same goes for squatting, you see my 1RM as a featherweight, KF sees yours the same and so on.

It is a basic principle really, i do not understand why you need 4 messages to comprehend it :
An absolute number  ( time in a run, kg in a lift, height in a jump, whatever! ) on an event can not lead to a safe conclusion about the effort percentage of the person who did it.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 08:54:19 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2089 on: April 11, 2014, 09:31:23 am »
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What I meant is - it doesn't sound realistic to me (assuming it was done on a track, not in the conditions that you were doing it). For a guy that trains for quite some time, like you, 16 seconds sound unrealistic for an 100 meters all-out sprint ON A TRACK.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2090 on: April 11, 2014, 02:24:20 pm »
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And so, after 2 pages of no-real-point arguing with LBSS and raptor, my journal reached 55000 views!

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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2091 on: April 14, 2014, 05:21:04 am »
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12 April 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~88kg ,  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
8@90kg
10@90kg ( +3 reps ) , 10RM  :personal-record: , predicted 1RM  :personal-record: , predicted 1RM / BW  :personal-record:
-Was supposed to go for 2x8 but although 1st set was very hard, barely making 8th rep, 2nd set felt easy so i went for the PR and got it. Sweet.

DIPS:
7@BW ( +2 reps )
7@BW ( +2 reps )
-Those are so damn difficult for me.

CHINUPS:
8@BW+10kg
8@BW+10kg ( +1 rep )
-Nice.

STANDING 'LANCE CALVES RAISES' ( explosive DL eccentric, slow SL concentric ):
LEG PRESS CALVES 'RAISES':
15@300lbs
15@350lbs
15@400lbs
-Got bored of those SL ones, setup is a pain. So much easier and faster on the leg press. Not exactly raises since it is a horizontal press, more like extensions.
Gonna be alternating between my normal standing raises and those from now on, gonna go heavier for fewer reps on those, maybe 12s or 10s next time.

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
Forgot them, duh!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2092 on: April 14, 2014, 09:48:29 am »
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10X90 high bar is pretty good... I don't know if I'd be able to do that right now.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2093 on: April 15, 2014, 06:15:25 am »
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Thanks, lets say it is not that bad. It predicts a 1RM of 120kg/265lbs. Leaves some good hope for the big goal of 135kg/300lbs by the end of the season ( end of July ), it is a 5kg monthly gain. Will be awesome if i get it while being 85kg or less by then.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2094 on: April 15, 2014, 04:34:39 pm »
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15 April 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~88,25kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : slight tweak/pull at left shoulder

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT:
8@95kg
8@95kg ( +1 rep )
-Rather too easy but was being cautious about shoulder.

BB LUNGES:
8 each leg@40kg
8 each leg@40kg

BENCH PRESS:
6@65kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
5@65kg ( +2,5 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
-Meh, shoulder ruined my BP session. Didn't bug but was too cautious so couldn't get it right.

WIDE GRIP LAT PULLDOWN:
7@200lbs ( +10 lbs ) , ( -1 rep ) , 7RM  :personal-record: , predicted 1RM  :personal-record:
6@200lbs ( +10 lbs ) , ( -2 reps )
-Awesome!

PAUSED STANDING CALVES RAISES:
20@50kg
20@50kg ( +2 reps )
19@50kg ( +1 rep )
-Still not able to do 3x20, incredible!

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
20@BW+7,5kg front
20@BW+7,5kg left
20@BW+7,5kg right
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2095 on: April 15, 2014, 04:51:23 pm »
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having not squatted in more than a month, i'm pretty sure i could do 90x20 today without trying too very hard.  :P 8) :highfive:

in related news, i still can't dunk.  :( :huh: :uhhhfacepalm:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2096 on: April 15, 2014, 05:33:15 pm »
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Hahaha, sad but true.
But think about it, in my 30'' SVJ / 35'' RVJ prime my full squat 1RM was ~240, now it is pushing ~265.
Just gotta utilize that new-found strength. Soon...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #2097 on: April 16, 2014, 06:17:50 am »
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Body composition measurements:

Net morning weight : 87kg / 191,5lbs
Waist : 91cm / 35,8''

Online bodyfat estimation : 18%
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 17.2%
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 17.6%


Previous:
Net morning weight : 88,25kg / 194,5lbs
Waist : 92cm / 36,2''

Online bodyfat estimation : 18,4%
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 17.4%
AVERAGE bodyfat estimation : 17.9%

Hmmm... it is dropping, but too slow. I know, i know, i can't trust either waist circumference or a BI scale for tracking differences smaller than 1% with accuracy. Mirror test does show some improvement FWIW.
Maybe I should get more conditioning stuff in, i am too old to rely only on caloric deficit for an efficient cut.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2098 on: April 16, 2014, 08:36:03 am »
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try incline walking on the treadmill. very low impact, very low intensity so should not interfere with other objectives. stick on a podcast or an album you like and just walk.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #2099 on: April 16, 2014, 11:56:58 am »
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^Yeah, that's the ideal, targets the fat-burning HR zone with minimal system taxing. However it is boring as fuck. I think that for now i will go with longer distance and increased volume tempos.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?