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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1950 on: December 15, 2013, 07:41:34 am »
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@rapror : Yes, you are right, the higher depth is better. Inspecting the videos, the higher rom ones are much more explosive and stable. The others are slower, it is actually a strength exercise, they are not half squats, they are cheating full squats.

@ian459: Yes they are. The depth varies on what you want to get out of them. For example, adarqui that used them as his main strength exercise went lower, like in my first pic. But you are doing full squats for strength and halfs as a vert-oriented power exercise ( which is the best combo imho ) so do them higher, somewhere around the 2nd pic depth. Here, found a video of Lance coaching them, he discusses the depth too ( 3'' below SVJ depth ):
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoD5ditPmJo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoD5ditPmJo</a>

Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1951 on: December 17, 2013, 04:44:36 pm »
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17 December 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~91,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 3 :: Week 3 :: Day 1

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( 5/3/1 day ):
5@75kg
3@85kg
6@95kg
-Awesome! Predicted 1RM  :personal-record: (~110kg).
6RM  :personal-record: too obviously.
Also first time repping above bw after ~1,5 year.

BENCH PRESS ( Light day ):
5@42,5kg
5@50kg
5@57,5kg
-Paused. Easy. Strong.

STANDING SHOULDERS DB LATERAL RAISES.
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
-Less challenging, should have used 10s.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROW MACHINE:
10@75kg
9@75kg ( -1 rep )
8@75kg ( -1 rep )
-Hands were sweating and it ruined grip. FML.

PAUSED STANDING CALVE RAISES MACHINE:
20@60kg
19@60kg ( +1 rep )
17@60kg ( +1 rep )
-Damn hard. Progress very slow but at least steady.

WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@100lbs
20@100lbs
20@100lbs
-Stayed at same load because i didn't do them last week.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2013, 05:26:02 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1952 on: December 18, 2013, 08:34:13 am »
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Hey very nice, although the volume of squatting that you're doing is so low...
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1953 on: December 18, 2013, 09:30:36 am »
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yeah vag, get with the program. all the cool kids are doing high volume now. it's not like you're PR'ing once a week with your current set up.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1954 on: December 18, 2013, 10:29:15 am »
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Haha
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1955 on: December 19, 2013, 06:38:10 am »
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^Yup, also don't forget i was squatting 3x8 twice a week for 2 months straight before switching to 5/3/1.

In other news, Tuesdays heaviest full squat set ever also had the best form ever, i was never able to keep the load midfoot, especially on a max out set like this.



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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1956 on: December 19, 2013, 09:20:45 am »
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Haha you're on a rampage lately, getting progress in both weight lifted and form.

I wonder what the actual gains are? Logically, since you do such a low volume, it would make sense these are strength gains, unless it's not some kind of delayed movement efficiency effect from the higher volume that you did before?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1957 on: December 19, 2013, 09:31:48 am »
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^Yup, also don't forget i was squatting 3x8 twice a week for 2 months straight before switching to 5/3/1.

In other news, Tuesdays heaviest full squat set ever also had the best form ever, i was never able to keep the load midfoot, especially on a max out set like this.



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I just bought these shoes! How are they? Waiting on delivery, so excited to squat in them though!

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1958 on: December 20, 2013, 06:59:30 am »
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@raptor: Thanks! Dunno about the 'nature' of the gains. I think it's true strength, because even after the 3x8 phase the volume was not so low as you think, i was doing 3x5 submax on a different day which also featured 3x12 deep leg press, recently substituted by supramax half squats. Thighs are bigger than ever too currently ( 67cm / 26 1/2'' ).

@gukl: I have them for a bit more than 1 year. Very happy with them, although it is the first o-lift pair i ever bought so nothing to compare to. Compared to normal sneakers it is a different world as expected. Did you by the Power Perfect IIs that i own or the Powerlift Trainers? Hope the former, because the latter looks alike but is a different ( worse ) shoe. Relevant discussion here : http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/vag%27s-journal-age-vs-vertical/msg77722/#msg77722
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #1959 on: December 20, 2013, 11:42:33 am »
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Good to hear! I bought the ones you have, heard about the powerlift shoes being more of a hybrid, for which the name makes no sense!

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« Reply #1960 on: December 21, 2013, 10:25:57 am »
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21 December 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~91,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 3 :: Week 3 :: Day 2

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT ( 5/3/1 ):
5@82,5kg
3@92,5kg
7@102,5kg , heaviest load i have ever done for reps so obviously 7RM :personal-record:
-However predicted 1RM a bit lower than last week's. Still 2nd best ever.

STANDING OVERHEAD PRESS ( 5/3/1 ):
5@37,5kg
3@42,5kg
5@47,5kg , heaviest load i have ever done for reps here too, so obviously 5RM :personal-record:
-Predicted 1RM a bit lower than last week's but still 2nd best ever here too.

BARBELL LUNGES:
8 each leg@40kg ( +20kg )
8 each leg@45kg ( +15kg )
8 each leg@50kg ( +10kg )
-As expected, getting the groove of the movement allows huge initial gains.

BICEPS EZ BAR CURL:
12@34,5kg
12@34,5kg
12@34,5kg
-Damn hard.

TRICEPS CABLE PUSHDOWN:
12@35kg
12@35kg
12@35kg
-Unexpected easy, could have done 37,5.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2013, 10:33:11 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1961 on: December 31, 2013, 09:04:19 am »
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Work was hectic till Christmas Eve's night, couldn't train. After that I am already one week off now, resting body and mind. Not eating that good, drinking too much but oh, well!

Updated wave 3 results of 5/3/1 , see bottom of this post:  5/3/1 beginner template

Great success at this 3d wave despite not unloading, big PRs and improvements in all lifts. 5/3/1 has been working very well for me. I think i will continue as planned and do a couple more  waves, then start a cut and switch to Lance's 3-set-progress thing.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #1962 on: January 02, 2014, 03:06:06 am »
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Was scheduled to restart today but I am down with a bad flu, high fever, coughing etc, FML!!!  :ffffffuuuuuu:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #1963 on: January 11, 2014, 11:04:27 am »
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11 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : ~89kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
5@20kg
5@40kg
5@60kg
5@70kg
3@80kg
2@90kg
-Bar felt light on back even on 90kg but detrained legs failed me, VMOs hamstrings and abductors started burning after 70kg.

BENCH PRESS:
5@20kg
5@30kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg

STANDING OVERHEAD PRESS:
5@20kg
5@25kg
5@30kg
5@35kg
5@40kg

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROW MACHINE:
5@30kg
5@40kg
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@70kg

Here we go again. It was supposed to be a 10 days break but flu and work made them 20. FML. On the good side, i didn't feel that weak, feels like i'll be back to were i was pretty quick. Will probably do this 5x5 thing to get back at it for next week ( 3 sessions ), then get back to the 5/3/1. I also lost 2,5 kg but holidays+flu makes the loss evaluation totally fuzzy.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1964 on: January 13, 2014, 02:38:57 pm »
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13 January 2014

Bodyweight@session : 90kg
Soreness : quads, hamstrings, glutes, chest, shoulders
Injuries/aches :  none

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT:
10@20kg
-Wanted to do low-weight sets of 10 reps to speed up DOMS recovery but felt a sharp pain in right hamstring with empty bar so had to stop.

Substituted with:
SEATED HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS MACHINE:
15@200lbs
15@250lbs
15@300lbs
-That went much better, hamstring bugged a bit but nothing like the squats.

STANDING SHOULDERS DB LATERAL RAISES.
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
-Nice, less challenging than what i expected.

WIDE GRIP LAT PULLDOWN:
8@150lbs
8@150lbs
8@150lbs
-Didn't get sore at all at back from row machine so thinking of substituting it, let's see if i get sore with this.

PAUSED STANDING CALVE RAISES MACHINE:
20@50kg
20@50kg
20@50kg
-10 kg lighter than where i was to ease back to them.

WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@80lbs
20@80lbs
20@80lbs
-25 lbs lighter than where i was to ease back to them.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?