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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1920 on: November 17, 2013, 07:05:35 am »
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What?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1921 on: November 18, 2013, 04:01:05 pm »
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18 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~90,75kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 2 :: Week 2 :: Day 1

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( 5/3/1 day ):
3@65kg
3@75kg
7@85kg
-Great! Season best, estimated 1RM now above last measured real ( 100kg ).

BENCH PRESS ( Light day ):
5@40kg
5@47,5kg
5@55kg
-Very easy this time. Doing them paused/speed style.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROW MACHINE:
10@70kg
10@70kg ( +1 rep )
10@70kg ( +2 reps )
-Those felt very strong.

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
15@60kg
15@60kg
15@60kg
-Full pause at top and bottom of ROM.
Stayed at the same load because i didn't do them last week. Last 2 reps of last 2 sets were very hard.

WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
15@43kg ( +2,5 kg )
15@43kg ( +2,5 kg )
15@43kg ( +2,5 kg )
-Upped the load here despite missing them last week. Still very strong.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1922 on: November 20, 2013, 03:18:01 pm »
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20 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~90kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 2 :: Week 2 :: Day 2

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT ( 5/3/1 ):
3@75kg
3@85kg
7@95kg
-Higher estimated 1RM than last week but still below previous wave's 9@90kg.

STANDING OVERHEAD PRESS ( 5/3/1 ):
3@32,5kg
3@37,5kg
8@42,5kg
-Best set ever@42,5 but estimated 1RM a tiny bit lower than last week's PR of 10@40kg.

UPRIGHT BB ROW:
10@42,5kg
0@42,5kg
0@42,5kg
-Those felt off again. Stopped after 1st set, i might  dump them.

BICEPS EZ BAR CURL:
12@35,5kg
12@35,5kg
11@35,5kg
-Same performance with last week, a bit better control, nice. All time PR levels.

TRICEPS CABLE PUSHDOWN:
12@35kg
12@35kg ( +2 reps )
10@35kg
-Same comment with biceps, plus a small improvement.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1923 on: November 21, 2013, 02:06:15 pm »
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21 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

1,5 hour of full court basketball. Back on the hardwood after 1 year, nice!
Endurance was of course terrible, not only i haven't played basketball for a year but i also haven't done any form of cardio since September 24. Horribly out of shape.
Other than that i felt very strong at the court, the increased weight and my current all time upper body PR strength levels were obvious in taking contact.
I didn't do a lot of jumps since I've been out of that game for too long, a couple of 1-step lead in RVJs were in the 30'' area, not bad.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1924 on: November 21, 2013, 02:55:05 pm »
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Doing consistent 5 on 5 for you (and me) could help tremendously in terms of athleticism.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1925 on: November 21, 2013, 03:09:12 pm »
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Doing consistent 5 on 5 for you (and me) could help tremendously in terms of athleticism.

You mean like what Joel Smith said in this article?: http://www.just-fly-sports.com/long-sprinting-for-reactive-vertical-power-part-i/

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1926 on: November 21, 2013, 07:46:17 pm »
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Yup
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1927 on: November 22, 2013, 05:56:20 am »
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@ian459: You tend to overcomplicate things , feels like you are looking at the tree and you are missing the forest. We were talking you into starting a general strength programm, you found a supermaximal eccentric training article. Now the chat is about basketball and general atheticism, you bring up an article about how long distance tempo running is a useful element in SL jump training. Don't get me wrong, i am not attacking you. This article is a good one, longer distance tempo runs are repeatedly praised by toddday in here too. Just no real reson to search an article about how full court basketball is benefitial for your general athleticism. Wanting to research is always good, but too much analyzing might make you lose focus imho.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1928 on: November 23, 2013, 11:07:14 am »
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23 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~91kg
Soreness : various minor muscles aching from basktetball.
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 2 :: Week 2 :: Day 3

BENCH ( 5/3/1 ):
5@50kg
5@57,5kg
8@65kg
-Ties season's best estimated 1RM of last week's 9@62,5kg.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( Light day ):
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@70kg
-Meh, can't motivate myself with the light load.

HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS MACHINE:
12@400lbs ( +40 lbs )
12@400lbs ( +20 lbs )
12@400lbs
-Awesome. Was even a bit explosive on those.

CHINUPS:
8@BW+5kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -3 reps )
7@BW+5kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
6@BW+5kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -1 rep )
-Reasonable reps drop from switching to weighted. Still happy to be above 20 reps in 3 sets.

LANCE CALVE RAISES ( DL concentric, slow SL eccentric ):
8 each leg@35kg ( +5 kg )
8 each leg@35kg ( +5 kg )
8 each leg@35kg ( +5 kg )
-Great!

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
15@BW+7,5kg front
15@BW+7,5kg left
15@BW+7,5kg right
-Same loads again here but much better push. Adding next time.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2013, 11:22:47 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1929 on: November 25, 2013, 03:23:26 pm »
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25 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~91kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 2 :: Week 3 :: Day 1

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( 5/3/1 day ):
5@70kg
3@80kg
5@90kg
-Great! Predicted 1RM a tiny bit lower than last week's 7@85 but form was better now, less lean plus no squat-morning at all.

BENCH PRESS ( Light day ):
5@40kg
5@47,5kg
5@55kg
-Too easy. Full pauses in all reps and sets.

STANDING SHOULDERS DB LATERAL RAISES.
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
-Added those because i only hit shoulders once a week (OHP), deltoid anterior is neglected.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROW MACHINE:
8@75kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
8@75kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
8@75kg ( +5 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
-Very hard. The minimum 5kg jump of this machine is a lot.

PAUSED STANDING CALVE RAISES MACHINE:
20@60kg ( +5 reps )
17@60kg ( +2 reps )
15@60kg
-Stayed at the same load to switch to from 3x15 to 3x20. Failed, 20 reps with pauses at top and bottom of ROM is damn exhausting.

WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
15@100lbs  ( +5 lbs )
15@100lbs  ( +5 lbs )
15@100lbs  ( +5 lbs )
-Nice. Abs keep responding well.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1930 on: November 27, 2013, 04:48:53 pm »
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27 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~91kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 2 :: Week 3 :: Day 2

ROMANIAN DEADLIFT ( 5/3/1 ):
5@80kg
3@90kg
6@100kg , ties predicted 1RM  :personal-record: ( 116kg )
-Also heaviest set ever, previous was 8@90kg that gives the same 1RM.

STANDING OVERHEAD PRESS ( 5/3/1 ):
5@35kg
3@40kg
6@45kg
-Heaviest set ever, previous was 8@42,5kg. However predicted 1RM of 10@40kg that i did 2 weeks ago is 1kg heavier.

BICEPS EZ BAR CURL:
12@35,5kg
12@35,5kg
11@35,5kg
-Same performance with last week. Limit strength here, hard to improve.

TRICEPS CABLE PUSHDOWN:
12@35kg
12@35kg
10@35kg
-Same comment with biceps.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1931 on: November 28, 2013, 01:15:48 pm »
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28 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : n/a
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

1,5 hour of full court basketball.
Endurance was the same ( awful ). This time leg muscles gave up on me, vmos, glutes and calves started burning after 1hr.
Jumps felt a bit better though, had more bounce. Only did one rim jump, 10'4'' touch off a dropstep ( 29'' ).
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1932 on: November 30, 2013, 10:29:12 am »
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30 November 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~91,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 2 :: Week 3 :: Day 3

BENCH ( 5/3/1 ):
5@57,5kg
3@57,5kg
5@70kg
-Predicted 1RM lower than last week's 8@65kg but 5@70kg ties all time heaviest set.

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( Light day ):
5@50kg
5@60kg
5@70kg
-Too easy.

HORIZONTAL LEG PRESS MACHINE:
HALF SQUATS:
3@80kg
3@90kg
3@100kg
-Decided to dump leg press and go to half squats. Want to start transitioning to a more power/jump oriented scheme.
Halfs felt a bit off since i haven't done them from mid 2012. Gonna progress them slowly.

CHINUPS:
9@BW+5kg ( +1 rep ) ,  predicted 1RM :personal-record:
7@BW+5kg
6@BW+5kg
-I have done 10@BW+5kg last year, but BW was around 88kg back then.

LANCE CALVE RAISES ( DL concentric, slow SL eccentric ):
10 each leg@35kg ( +2 reps )
10 each leg@35kg ( +2 reps )
10 each leg@35kg ( +2 reps )
-Stayed at same load to up the volume.

ABS COASTER MACHINE:
15@BW+10kg front  ( +2,5 kg )
15@BW+10kg left ( +2,5 kg )
15@BW+10kg right ( +2,5 kg )
-Nice.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1933 on: December 01, 2013, 02:11:58 pm »
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Updated wave 2 results and wave 3 schedule of 5/3/1 , see bottom of this post:  5/3/1 beginner template

Comment:
At the last week of this wave the predicted 1RM stalled, actually it slightly regressed. It is still above the previous wave's though. I consider it reasonable because of the loads, i am reaching loads that i wasn't used to. Example, bench, before 5/3/1  i was doing 3x8 , i had topped at 62,5kg. So the 1st wave had me doing top sets of 60-62,5-65kg. Similar to what i was doing, so i did very well, more than expected. So at the end I rasied the 1RM more than the suggested 2,5kg. That put my top sets at 65-67,5-70 at the 2nd wave. 65 and 67,5 was still a 'natural continuum' so i did well, but 70kg was too heavy. Something similar happens in all lifts. I am recording my heaviest sets ever but the predicted 1RM is slightly lower. I believe that i am still on the right track. I raised the 1RM by small amounts this time so i expect getting used to those new loads will help me excel in the upcoming 3d wave.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1934 on: December 02, 2013, 03:08:36 pm »
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2 December 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~92kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  none

5/3/1 beginner template
Wave 3 :: Week 1 :: Day 1

HIGH BAR FULL SQUAT ( 5/3/1 day ):
5@65kg
5@75kg
9@85kg
-Awesome. The predicted 1RM (~110kg) is an all time below parellel  :personal-record:
I do have heavier sets logged, but when i filmed them, what i thought was below parallel proved to be slightly above parallel.

BENCH PRESS ( Light day ):
5@42,5kg
5@50kg
5@57,5kg
-All full paused. Strong.

STANDING SHOULDERS DB LATERAL RAISES.
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand
12@8kg each hand

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED ROW MACHINE:
10@75kg ( +2 reps ) , ties  :personal-record:
9@75kg ( +1 rep )
8@75kg
-Great. Best ever is 3x10 at that weight.

PAUSED STANDING CALVE RAISES MACHINE:
20@60kg
17@60kg
15@60kg
-No progress. It is 3xF here, 20 paused reps is brutal.

WEIGHTED CRUNCHES MACHINE:
20@100lbs  ( +5 reps )
20@100lbs  ( +5 reps )
20@100lbs  ( +5 reps )
-Stayed at same load to up volume, nice.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?