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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1755 on: February 08, 2013, 06:51:42 am »
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 Damn good progress Vag!  When you increase the weight, the previous reps no longer matter though, so the first day with the increased load is a PR, regardless of reps.  I dont know if you knew that already or not, keeping the previous REP pr when adding weight will turn impossible soon though.

Thanks Lance.
Yes, when i up the weight i don't expect to match the previous reps, i expect the estimated 1RM to be about the same. After a few months doing this , i can now tell that it never happens:  The increased load causes a slight decrease in estimated 1RM and usuallly the 2nd or 3d workout with the new heavy load surpasses the previous estimated 1RM PR. But yeah , i am at my all time limit strength PRs in everything now so progress is expected to slow down, hope it doesn't stall.
I have some VERY nice graphs on my PC, showing how load,1RM and 1RM/BW went in each lift, you will love them. They illustrate perfectly how this method works. I was planning to post them at the end of next week.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1756 on: February 08, 2013, 11:03:41 pm »
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 Damn good progress Vag!  When you increase the weight, the previous reps no longer matter though, so the first day with the increased load is a PR, regardless of reps.  I dont know if you knew that already or not, keeping the previous REP pr when adding weight will turn impossible soon though.

Thanks Lance.
Yes, when i up the weight i don't expect to match the previous reps, i expect the estimated 1RM to be about the same. After a few months doing this , i can now tell that it never happens:  The increased load causes a slight decrease in estimated 1RM and usuallly the 2nd or 3d workout with the new heavy load surpasses the previous estimated 1RM PR. But yeah , i am at my all time limit strength PRs in everything now so progress is expected to slow down, hope it doesn't stall.
I have some VERY nice graphs on my PC, showing how load,1RM and 1RM/BW went in each lift, you will love them. They illustrate perfectly how this method works. I was planning to post them at the end of next week.

 Nice! Yea Id like to see those graphs, thats a great idea. 

re progress slowing- if youre STUCK, as in 2 or 3 sessions in a row, adding another exercise into the rotation is an option.  It gives a longer rest for the exercise youve stalled on while still training the same musculature.  Squats can turn into , day 1, squat, day 2 front squat, day 3 deads/box squat, etc.  then when you come around to squats again, its much easier to progress.
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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1757 on: February 09, 2013, 12:40:54 pm »
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^Sounds great. The plan is to restart squatting in March, initially i will treat them GPP-style. I will start light aiming for 3x8 and advancing after 3x10 , back squats only. Then switch my orientation to intensity ( aim for 3x5 and advance above 20 reps ) and alternate workouts between back and front squats.

9 February 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~194
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  :ninja:

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #33

TREADMILL:
20mins, doing 2 minutes intervals between fast wakling ( 6-6.5 kmh) and jogging ( 8 kmh )
Pain or discomfort : none
Very happy with that. 8kmh might sound too slow but it's a big advance for me as 7,5kmh was already challenging.
Endurance improving too, the previous sessions ( which were slower ) left me much more fatigued.

LEG PRESS:
15@220 lbs ( +20 lbs )
15@265 lbs ( +65 lbs )
15@300 lbs ( +100 lbs )
'Normal' controlled reps, tempo like 2:1:2
Pain or discomfort : none
300 lbs were not even challenging , felt like moderate resistance recovery work. :wowthatwasnutswtf:

STANDING OHP:
8@93,5 lbs ( +1 rep ) , ties  :personal-record: but with a little cheat  :ninja:
7@93,5 lbs ( same )
7@93,5 lbs ( +1 rep )
Total : 22 reps ( +2 reps )
-Tied my PR but cheated, push-pressed the 8th rep. Was a slight push, but i wouldn't get it up if i didn't.

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
8@BW+11 lbs ( same )
7@BW+11 lbs ( same )
6@BW+11 lbs ( -1 rep )
Total = 21 reps ( -1 rep )
-Fuck , regressed. Could have grinded a 9th rep at 1st set which would be a PR too, i regret i didn't.

Healthy quad is healthy, i was so happy i was smiling like a jerk after the 15*300lbs leg presses.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1758 on: February 10, 2013, 09:44:11 am »
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Did body measurements yesterday and today, same results.

Bodyweight (dry, in the morning ) : ~192 lbs
Waist : 90.5cm ( ~35.6'' )

Online bodyfat estimation : 17.5%
BI scale bodyfat estimation : 16.9%

Edit :
This is where i started after xmas holidays:

Weight in the morning : 85kg ( 187lbs )
Waist : ~89cm ( ~35'' )

Bodyfat scale estimation : 16%
Bodyfat online estimation : 16,8%

So LBM went from ~156,3 to ~159 ( +2,7 ) while fat went from ~30,7 to ~33 ( +2,3 ).

5 lbs of weight gain , 54% LBM, 46% fat.

Not so good but i expected it considering starting point was ~16.4% and i was bulking on non-workout days too. I was afraid it would be worse.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2013, 09:54:43 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1759 on: February 11, 2013, 03:15:29 pm »
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11 February 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~195
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  :ninja:

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #34

STATIONARY BIKE:
20mins@steady pace ( 80rpm/100W resistance )

LEG EXTENSIONS:
15@50lbs
15@50lbs
15@50lbs
-Tempo was 2:2:2.

LEG CURLS:
15@50lbs
15@50lbs
15@50lbs
-Tempo was 2:2:2.

BENCH PRESS:
8@148,5 lbs ( same )
6@148,5 lbs ( same )
6@148,5 lbs ( same )
Total : 20 reps ( same )
-8@148,5lbs ties last week's all time :personal-record:
Weight felt lighter than last week but something felt off in the movement. Didn't push too much.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
10@154 lbs ( same )
10@154 lbs ( same )
10@154 lbs (  same )
Total : 30 reps ( same )
-3x10@154 ties last week's all time 3 sets reps  :personal-record:
Didn't want to push here too.

As i will be skiing next week i don't want to risk any kind of injury so played it safe in everything. That is the whole week's plan.

« Last Edit: February 11, 2013, 03:17:46 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1760 on: February 14, 2013, 03:13:48 pm »
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14 February 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~195,5
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches :  :ninja:

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #35

LEG EXTENSIONS:
15@50lbs
15@50lbs
15@50lbs
-Tempo was 3:2:3

INCLINE BENCH PRESS:
10@110 lbs DBs ( -11,5 lbs ) , ( +2 reps )
8@110 lbs DBs ( -11,5 lbs )
8@110 lbs DBs ( -11,5 lbs )
Total : 24 reps ( +2 reps )
-Fuck dumbbells , setting up with 25+kg is too much uncomfortable and dangerous, switched to barbell.

DEAD HANG CHINUPS:
9@BW+11 lbs ( +1 rep ):personal-record:
7@BW+11 lbs ( same )
6@BW+11 lbs ( same )
Total = 22 reps ( +1 rep )
-Finally , a  :personal-record:, double acutally:
Estimated 1RM  :personal-record: ( 266,5lbs, previous was 262,3 )
Estimated 1RM/BW  :personal-record: ( 1,36*BW, previous was 1,33*BW )

That's it , I'm off to 1 week of skiing on Saturday.
Didn't want to risk a last minute injury so skipped treadmill, RDLs, OHPs, upright rows, anything that involves the slightest risk of any body part strain.
Haven't had the slightest quad bugging for over 1 month now, hopefully all will go well and all that BW ISO stuff on the slopes will help strengthening too!

:lololol:
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 03:16:11 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1761 on: February 15, 2013, 01:00:46 pm »
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FUN TIME!

My diet/weight, from 1st November 2012, day by day!!!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:



Upper graph : calories consumed, yellow line = no workout day, green line = workout day.
Lower graph : blue line u bodyweight, red line = diet plan ( loss 1lb/week , maintenance , bulk 1lb/week ).
No data period = Christmas.
Low bw spikes = Saturday morning workouts.


Edit:
MORE FUN!!!

The 3-set progress overview for the same time span with above, November 2012 to today.  :almostascoolasnyancat:

Each graph presents :
Load used ( middle line )
Estimated 1RM ( top line )
1RM/BW percentage ( bottom line )

BENCH PRESS:



SEATED ROWS:



OHP:



CHINUPS:


:goodjobbro:  :lololol:
« Last Edit: February 15, 2013, 01:24:06 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1762 on: February 25, 2013, 06:45:24 am »
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back!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Everything went great, was an amazing week.
Training-wise,  the 'injured' quad was able to handle 5 hours / 30-50 kilometers of intense skiing daily with no bugging at all. Actually i had problems with my right healthy leg, all this time of left leg strengthening and no squatting left it kinda untrained. It got much more sore after the first days on the slopes and it was getting tired/burned easier than the left throughout all week. But that is good news, because it means left is fully healed now.

Back to gym today, sticking to my previous plans. Starting GPP-style squatting 2*week, diet will be maintenance for 1-2 weeks to see where i am. It seems i lost 1-2kg this week although my daily consumption was over 4000kcals. :o
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1763 on: February 25, 2013, 08:17:55 am »
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+50, welcome back!
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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« Reply #1764 on: February 25, 2013, 01:42:08 pm »
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^^^ Thanks!  :highfive:

25 February 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~193.5
Soreness : legs still stiff and tired from the skiing.
Injuries/aches :  :ninja:

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #36

SQUAT:
10@88 lbs
10@88 lbs
10@88 lbs
-We're back! Today it was too easy/light but i will stick with my get-back-at-it-slowly plan.
Will be adding 5kg weekly ( given i can do 3x8 or more ). That will have me at 3x8-10@75kg in 8 weeks. Then i will go for lower reps / higher loads.

BENCH PRESS:
6@148,5 lbs ( -2 reps )
5@148,5 lbs ( -1 rep )
5@148,5 lbs ( -1 rep )
Total : 16 reps ( -4 reps )
-Expected weak here.

SEATED CHEST SUPPORTED MACHINE ROWS:
10@154 lbs ( same )
10@154 lbs ( same )
10@154 lbs (  same )
Total : 30 reps ( same )
-Unexpected strong here. Matched last time's reps , but it was harder this time. Still good.

Notes to self:
-Bring back bike/treadmill before workouts.
-Bring back daily stretching.
-Start doing calve raises, it's been too long neglecting them.

In other news, while i was gone my journal passed 50.000 views,  :personal-record:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1765 on: February 25, 2013, 02:35:51 pm »
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i prefer jumping rope to treadmill or biking for warm ups -- why don't you do that? lower impact than running and doesn't tax the big muscles of the leg in the same way as biking. plus good for footwork.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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« Reply #1766 on: February 25, 2013, 03:16:35 pm »
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The gym roof is too low to jump-rope there. During the last month of rehabbing that i did a lot of bike and treadmill, it felt great, not stressing and very well warming up.  I don't really run or bike like crazy, treadmill is 7,5kmh and bike is 80rpm@100W resistance. Plus i like the idea of getting some ( minimal, i know ) fat burning.
My plan was to go with bike for 2 weeks and then replace it with treadmill and introduce low impact plyos ( jump rope/MR tucks ) and sprints ( more like tempo runs, starting at 50% and slowly getting back at it too ) on some off days.
Points taken though, thanks for the thoughts!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #1767 on: February 26, 2013, 02:42:05 pm »
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Skiing my ass! Legs are destroyed today. VMOs, glutes, abductors, hip flexors, everything VERY sore. The only muscles that weren't affected are outer quads. On the other hand i should have known, since it is outer quads that got very sore during skiing. Also DOMS in chest, lats, biceps , inner triceps , even shoulders.
Just from 1 week of not lifting! :uhhhfacepalm:
On the bright side , not the slightest left quad pain or even stiffness.  :highfive:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #1768 on: February 27, 2013, 02:30:07 pm »
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27 February 2013

Bodyweight@session : ~192,5
Soreness : VMOs & adductors VERY sore, abductors, chest, lats, biceps, triceps, shoulders sore, actually everything except outer quads.
Injuries/aches :  :ninja:

Lance's 3-set-progress template - workout #37

ROMANIAN DEADLIFTS:
Cancelled. I am too sore to tolerate the extreme hamstring soreness that those will create after 2 weeks of not doing them

LEG EXTENSIONS:
20@50 lbs
20@50 lbs
20@50 lbs
-Tempo was 2:1:2

SEATED HIP ADDUCTIONS MACHINE:
20@45 lbs
20@45 lbs
-Tempo was 2:1:2

SEATED HIP ABDUCTIONS MACHINE:
20@45 lbs
20@45 lbs
-Tempo was 2:1:2

INCLINE BENCH PRESS:
10@110 lbs ( same )
10@110 lbs ( +2 reps )
10@110 lbs ( +2 reps )
Total : 30 reps ( +2 reps )
-Progress despite detraining, impressive!

UPRIGHT ROWS:
8@93,5 lbs ( same )
8@93,5 lbs ( +1 rep )
6@93,5 lbs ( -1 rep )
Total : 22 reps  ( same )
-No progress but no regress either despite detraining, nice!

So apparently i had the muscle name wrong. Whenever i logged abductors soreness i meant adductors. Worked out both in high reps along with leg extensions to get some blood flow and reduce DOMS. Want to squat again on Saturday. Seated abductions killed my glutes, interesting!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1769 on: March 01, 2013, 10:43:39 am »
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So apparetly i strained or pulled my right aductor (most probably the pectineous) trying a couple of below parallel box pistol squats ( not warmed up, was just a random quad status check ).
Either that, or it wasnt the adductors that were so sore after squats but the hamstrings ( semitendinosus ) and i killed my adductors with all that high rep stuff i did.
Pretty stupid either way, now i can't even walk properly!  :uhhhfacepalm:
« Last Edit: March 01, 2013, 11:03:25 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?