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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1455 on: July 11, 2012, 11:05:00 am »
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torso lean is in large part a function of your leverages -- how long each part of your legs is and how long your torso is. no one squats perfectly upright. i manage to stay pretty upright, even though i squat closer to low-bar, because i have average-to-short legs and good hip mobility. but your legs are long IIRC, so maybe you'll just never get that upright posture you see in youtube videos of great squatters.

Yeah, i know, i've posted it myself in my pics/vids thread:

I think what describes me best is this:
A lot of athletes are built with a shorter torso and longer legs, for these athletes putting the bar down a few inches lower on the rear delts is beneficial, and can influence the load used significantly.  For athletes of this build, they are going to have significant forward lean REGARDLESS of the squat style they choose in most cases, so reducing the lever arm of the upper torso, actually HELPS them get more glute, quad, and hamstring involvement, without the same stress a higher position has on the low back.  An athlete with a longer torso will often feel MORE lower back involvement when attempting this style, it all depends on the individual.  As long as you follow the same general guidelines, shoulder width or slightly wider stance, slightly below parallel depth, and the LEGS and HIPS taking the brunt of the workload, you need not worry about which type of squat youre doing, youre strengthening your LOWER BODY.



repeat: VIDEO.

-Anyway no more comments now , i have to upload the vid when i get back home so you guys can tell me what seems to be the problem.

:-*
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1456 on: July 11, 2012, 11:56:54 am »
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the thoroughness with which i read journals is second only to raptor's.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1457 on: July 11, 2012, 01:07:12 pm »
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^LOL no worries , your intentions are good!

Uploaded the video in my pics/vids thread:
http://www.adarq.org/forum/adarq-org-special-content/age-vs-vertical-pics-and-vids/msg72837/#msg72837


Please comment there, NEED FEEDBACK!!!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1458 on: July 14, 2012, 09:06:03 am »
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So i got ready for the gym, went there , and it turns out that they changed the schedule for the summer and they close earlier at Saturdays! Came back home to make up with a pistol-squats workout but it's too hot and i was too demotivated!
FML, let's just see it as a forced rest/recovery week...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1459 on: July 18, 2012, 04:39:31 am »
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17 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~191
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none? Left quad does't bug at all anymore.

Starting Strength - workout #7

SQUATS :
5@137,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@137,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@137,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Nice. It felt like i kept torso more upright and bar travelled less in front.

BENCH PRESS:
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Impressively strong for my weak-ass bench. 15 perfert form/ROM reps , no grinders.

SEATED MACHINE ROWS:
8@220 lbs ( +5 lbs ) ,  :personal-record:
8@220 lbs ( +5 lbs )
7@220 lbs ( +5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
-Was very strong here too.

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
Bored and skipped them again.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1460 on: July 18, 2012, 08:27:34 am »
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You should start listing the weights in kg instead of lbs... it drives me nuts to see those 5,5 lbs and stuff like that, especially when I KNOW you convert them from kg to lbs.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1461 on: July 18, 2012, 08:41:02 am »
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LOL, nah , all theese articles and logs over the years, im too used to lbs now, my mind is tuned to think progress/increments in lbs.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1462 on: July 21, 2012, 05:05:57 pm »
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20 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~190
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Starting Strength - workout #8

SQUATS :
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@143 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Very nice. Have video too, will upload tomorrow.

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
3x15@209lbs
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1463 on: July 22, 2012, 07:14:23 am »
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1464 on: July 23, 2012, 02:48:52 pm »
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23 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~192 ( carbed up )
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none?

Starting Strength - workout #9

SQUATS :
5@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )

BENCH PRESS:
4@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
4@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
4@148,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
-Failed to get 3x5 but still it's awesomely strong for my girly weak bench.

SEATED MACHINE ROWS:
8@225 lbs ( +5 lbs ) ,  :personal-record:
7@225 lbs ( +5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
6@225 lbs ( +5 lbs ) , ( -1 rep )
-Failed to get 3x8 here too, again very strong though.

Today i squatted wearing my nike frees, heels on plates , also tried a few more tricks to keep torso up:
Hands grip closer to the bar, elbows pointing down, push bar on back, huge inhale before rep.
The result was the same, LOL:



At least i am adding weight to the bar each session while maintaining or slightly improving form.

« Last Edit: July 23, 2012, 02:55:45 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1465 on: July 25, 2012, 02:40:28 pm »
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25 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~190,5
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : left quad has been bugging slightly.

Starting Strength - workout #10

HANG POWER CLEANS:
Not doing those until quad is 100% healthy.

SQUATS:
5@154 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@154 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@154 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Nice.

BICEPS EZ-BAR CURLS:
12@59,5 lbs ( same )
12@59,5 lbs ( same )
12@59,5 lbs ( same )
-Didn't do those the last 2 weeks so stayed at the same load.

TRICEPS PUSHDOWNS:
12@55 lbs ( same )
12@55 lbs ( same )
12@55 lbs ( same )
-Didn't do those the last 2 weeks so stayed at the same load.

-Today i squatted in my Kobes using plates under heels. Turns out that the zoom air unit at the heel is too soft , it deforms upon any pressure. I focused on keeping only the heel on the plates. Also at the last set i used 2,5kg plates instead of 1,5 , turns out they are much more stable and not too high as i expected.
The overall outcome was positive, i still have issues to fix but although load keeps increasing , form keeps slightly but steady improving. I think i have much better form at 154lbs now than i had at 132lbs 2 weeks ago.




Edit : replaced the pic with one comparing where i was 2 weeks ago.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2012, 04:57:21 pm by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1466 on: July 25, 2012, 06:13:00 pm »
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better, better...  :ibsquatting:
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1467 on: July 27, 2012, 03:02:30 pm »
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27 July 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~192.3
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

Starting Strength - workout #11

SQUATS:
5@159,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@159,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
5@159,5 lbs ( +5,5 lbs )
-Was too fatigued today. Quads felt stiff and squatting was hard even at the empty bar warmups.
Sucked it up and got all sets and reps, turns out i cheated a bit on depth but was still going parallel.

SEATED OHP:
5@115,5 lbs ( same )
5@115,5 lbs ( same )
5@115,5 lbs ( same )
-Skipped those the last 2 weeks so stayed at the same load. Went good , was stronger than last time.

CHINUPS:
7@Bodyweight ( -1 rep )
7@Bodyweight ( +1 rep )
6@Bodyweight ( -1 rep )
Total = 20 ( -1 rep )
-Skipped those the last 2 weeks too, was 1 rep weaker.

LANCE CALVE RAISES ( SL eccentric - DL Concentric ):
-Skipped!


-Today i squatted wearing my nike waffles. Sole is thin but solid, the complete absence of deformable cushioning at the heel gave the most stable/rigid feel so far. Forward lean seemed to be a little worse than last time, but given the heavier load and the high fatigue i had today, i consider it a win.



Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1468 on: July 27, 2012, 03:14:10 pm »
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How strong are your hip flexors?

I have found out that the stronger your hip flexors AND lower abs are, the better you are going to be able to maintain a good pelvis position to maintain a better overall position in the squat.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Age vs Vertical
« Reply #1469 on: July 27, 2012, 03:19:43 pm »
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^Hip flexors are strong. Abs could use a little work maybe. I will bring back the 7 days vertical jump cure routine to my schedule, it takes good care of both hip flexors and abs.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?