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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1650 on: May 23, 2018, 11:38:56 pm »
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Played the social netball game last night which in itself wasn't that exciting. Did some jumps after the game though which were pretty good though. Did some SL running dunks with a netball and was easily getting my wrist to the rim. This puts my SLVJ at about 29-30" which is very surprising given the last of training/jumping in recent times. Also makes me think I can get this back up a few inches without too much additional effort (get more jumps in/get more strength in).

damn nice. :ibjumping:

Thanks mate. It got me wondering again how high I can push this. Would love to get elbow to ring which would sit around 38".

np!

that'd be nutty. if you want it, get after it! if you're already at wrist to rim with infrequent jumping/training, that's a great starting point. i'd be motivated as hell too :D i'm probably fingertips. :D

no reason you can't do some of the other speed/run stuff as well, in some amount (if you want that too). overall fitness improvements are important.

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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1651 on: May 23, 2018, 11:46:03 pm »
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I like doing shooting practice on netball hoops cos they're smaller so your shot needs to be more exact to score. On that vein i like mixing it up using a bigger ball, smaller ball, heavier, lighter, etc, just to keep the body from getting too comfortable b/c in a game you will have to deal with different circumstances (fatigue, defense etc) so being able to adjust smoothly on the fly is a good skill to develop. i shoot 70% from FT in training so caveat emptor.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1652 on: May 24, 2018, 12:04:30 am »
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Played the social netball game last night which in itself wasn't that exciting. Did some jumps after the game though which were pretty good though. Did some SL running dunks with a netball and was easily getting my wrist to the rim. This puts my SLVJ at about 29-30" which is very surprising given the last of training/jumping in recent times. Also makes me think I can get this back up a few inches without too much additional effort (get more jumps in/get more strength in).

damn nice. :ibjumping:

Thanks mate. It got me wondering again how high I can push this. Would love to get elbow to ring which would sit around 38".

np!

that'd be nutty. if you want it, get after it! if you're already at wrist to rim with infrequent jumping/training, that's a great starting point. i'd be motivated as hell too :D i'm probably fingertips. :D

no reason you can't do some of the other speed/run stuff as well, in some amount (if you want that too). overall fitness improvements are important.

That's what I thought. Squat and DL are almost non existent at the moment and I rarely jump. I was pleasantly surprised too. I tried two feet which was probably 22-23" at best.

Exactly. I'm training for the sprint triathlons next summer which is max 5k run so don't plan on doing too much volume. Like you were saying in Vag's log the other day about 80-90% slow work and smaller amounts of speed work.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1653 on: May 24, 2018, 12:05:38 am »
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I like doing shooting practice on netball hoops cos they're smaller so your shot needs to be more exact to score. On that vein i like mixing it up using a bigger ball, smaller ball, heavier, lighter, etc, just to keep the body from getting too comfortable b/c in a game you will have to deal with different circumstances (fatigue, defense etc) so being able to adjust smoothly on the fly is a good skill to develop. i shoot 70% from FT in training so caveat emptor.

Man netball hoops suck. So much harder. It was a hell of a lot easier to dunk though as the ball is way smaller and heaps lighter.

I still have thoughts in the back of my mind about getting the jump up and making a return to playing ball just to get some in game dunks. Old dreams die hard.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1654 on: May 24, 2018, 12:10:05 am »
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I still have thoughts in the back of my mind about getting the jump up and making a return to playing ball just to get some in game dunks. Old dreams die hard.

In game dunks. I dont know what i'd do if i ever got one lol lol. Probably run off the floor and celebrate. The older i get, the slower i get so everything needs to be perfect to setup the conditions for an in-game dunk. It's highly unlikely but if i played on a team where there were 5 good shooters on the floor who can all pass well and the defence wasn't clogging the paint in a 2-3 zone i can see me getting a dunk if i cut and get a good assist. Not sure tho. 
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1655 on: May 24, 2018, 12:11:17 am »
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Played the social netball game last night which in itself wasn't that exciting. Did some jumps after the game though which were pretty good though. Did some SL running dunks with a netball and was easily getting my wrist to the rim. This puts my SLVJ at about 29-30" which is very surprising given the last of training/jumping in recent times. Also makes me think I can get this back up a few inches without too much additional effort (get more jumps in/get more strength in).

You can do dunks with a 30" SL jump?? a netball is like a soccer ball, right? i remember we have the same standing reach and i'm maybe an inch short of dunking with 2-hand grip off 1 leg. interesting how both your and adarq's sl jumps didn't drop off without specific training for it. 38" seems kind of a stretch to me, how would you go about doing that?


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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1656 on: May 24, 2018, 01:05:50 am »
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I still have thoughts in the back of my mind about getting the jump up and making a return to playing ball just to get some in game dunks. Old dreams die hard.

In game dunks. I dont know what i'd do if i ever got one lol lol. Probably run off the floor and celebrate. The older i get, the slower i get so everything needs to be perfect to setup the conditions for an in-game dunk. It's highly unlikely but if i played on a team where there were 5 good shooters on the floor who can all pass well and the defence wasn't clogging the paint in a 2-3 zone i can see me getting a dunk if i cut and get a good assist. Not sure tho.

I know right? For me a lot of it is being fit enough to be able to dunk in minute 38 as that's when nearly all my opportunities have come. Also, having a dunk mentality where you don't care if you miss. Or an oop. I've had plenty of times where I had the back cut and guys refused to throw it up. That might be the easiest.

I agree though. I'd probably shut down the game myself and run out of the stadium.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1657 on: May 24, 2018, 01:09:31 am »
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I still have thoughts in the back of my mind about getting the jump up and making a return to playing ball just to get some in game dunks. Old dreams die hard.

In game dunks. I dont know what i'd do if i ever got one lol lol. Probably run off the floor and celebrate. The older i get, the slower i get so everything needs to be perfect to setup the conditions for an in-game dunk. It's highly unlikely but if i played on a team where there were 5 good shooters on the floor who can all pass well and the defence wasn't clogging the paint in a 2-3 zone i can see me getting a dunk if i cut and get a good assist. Not sure tho.

I know right? For me a lot of it is being fit enough to be able to dunk in minute 38 as that's when nearly all my opportunities have come. Also, having a dunk mentality where you don't care if you miss. Or an oop. I've had plenty of times where I had the back cut and guys refused to throw it up. That might be the easiest.

I agree though. I'd probably shut down the game myself and run out of the stadium.

so true about minute 38. lol it's those garbage time minutes where the defence stopping giving af and you have the ball inside but ive hit the rim on those dunks attempts, like 3/3. I put a lot of thought into the right setup for my dunking, in-game, think id have to come off the bench so im fresh and everyone else is not, id have to be at the right place, right time ofc. id have to be not doing rim protection on the other end cos that's exhausting. oop would be sick. sigh.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1658 on: May 24, 2018, 01:18:44 am »
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Played the social netball game last night which in itself wasn't that exciting. Did some jumps after the game though which were pretty good though. Did some SL running dunks with a netball and was easily getting my wrist to the rim. This puts my SLVJ at about 29-30" which is very surprising given the last of training/jumping in recent times. Also makes me think I can get this back up a few inches without too much additional effort (get more jumps in/get more strength in).

You can do dunks with a 30" SL jump?? a netball is like a soccer ball, right? i remember we have the same standing reach and i'm maybe an inch short of dunking with 2-hand grip off 1 leg. interesting how both your and adarq's sl jumps didn't drop off without specific training for it. 38" seems kind of a stretch to me, how would you go about doing that?

Yeah I can probably squeeze a dunk in with a 25" jump. Last night I had a heap of room though and the dunks were easy. Netball is same size as soccer ball I think. I would think you get an extra 2-3" easy when going up with one arm as opposed to two. If I dunk with two hands at that VJ it would be a finger tip dunk at best. Can you do it one handed?
It is strange how the drop is much more significant for double leg jumps. Idk why.

My plan = regain strength in squat and deadlift, single leg and double leg jumps (starting out with box and depth), shit ton of core work, lose 3-4kgs

I had a high forearm touch when dunking about 3 years ago. Yes I'm 3 years older but what I was doing back then wasn't that special. There was no peaking program or anything of that sort. I also think my jumping technique is a 5/10 so I can probably get a 2 inches from addressing that on it's own. 
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1659 on: May 24, 2018, 01:23:26 am »
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Peaking might get you there. Weight vest seems to work well for that in addition to all the other tricks
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1660 on: May 24, 2018, 01:31:41 am »
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I still have thoughts in the back of my mind about getting the jump up and making a return to playing ball just to get some in game dunks. Old dreams die hard.

In game dunks. I dont know what i'd do if i ever got one lol lol. Probably run off the floor and celebrate. The older i get, the slower i get so everything needs to be perfect to setup the conditions for an in-game dunk. It's highly unlikely but if i played on a team where there were 5 good shooters on the floor who can all pass well and the defence wasn't clogging the paint in a 2-3 zone i can see me getting a dunk if i cut and get a good assist. Not sure tho.

I know right? For me a lot of it is being fit enough to be able to dunk in minute 38 as that's when nearly all my opportunities have come. Also, having a dunk mentality where you don't care if you miss. Or an oop. I've had plenty of times where I had the back cut and guys refused to throw it up. That might be the easiest.

I agree though. I'd probably shut down the game myself and run out of the stadium.

so true about minute 38. lol it's those garbage time minutes where the defence stopping giving af and you have the ball inside but ive hit the rim on those dunks attempts, like 3/3. I put a lot of thought into the right setup for my dunking, in-game, think id have to come off the bench so im fresh and everyone else is not, id have to be at the right place, right time ofc. id have to be not doing rim protection on the other end cos that's exhausting. oop would be sick. sigh.

Yep. That might be the name of my new program. Minute 38 haha.
It's purely a fitness thing for me. I was always just too fatigued. I've hit the rim a few times too.
I just think I need a bigger vert to be able to take advantage of the situation when it arises. The perfect storm so to speak.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1661 on: May 24, 2018, 01:32:00 am »
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Peaking might get you there. Weight vest seems to work well for that in addition to all the other tricks

I have a weights vest actually. Up to 15kgs. Wouldn't be able to wear it under my suit during the day though haha.
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1662 on: May 24, 2018, 01:42:14 am »
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Peaking might get you there. Weight vest seems to work well for that in addition to all the other tricks

I have a weights vest actually. Up to 15kgs. Wouldn't be able to wear it under my suit during the day though haha.

I dont know if i ever got much out of wearing it all day myself but that's how LBSS and toddday used it. I found if i wear it as potentiating during warmups THEN take it off, now suddenly i can jump higher, yes, but what if foudn was my legs/feet move quicker and i could actually do a dunk at game speed (pickup level defence tho).
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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1663 on: May 24, 2018, 12:57:03 pm »
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Played the social netball game last night which in itself wasn't that exciting. Did some jumps after the game though which were pretty good though. Did some SL running dunks with a netball and was easily getting my wrist to the rim. This puts my SLVJ at about 29-30" which is very surprising given the last of training/jumping in recent times. Also makes me think I can get this back up a few inches without too much additional effort (get more jumps in/get more strength in).

You can do dunks with a 30" SL jump?? a netball is like a soccer ball, right? i remember we have the same standing reach and i'm maybe an inch short of dunking with 2-hand grip off 1 leg. interesting how both your and adarq's sl jumps didn't drop off without specific training for it. 38" seems kind of a stretch to me, how would you go about doing that?

for me, probably has to do with all of the SL jumps i've done in my life (via basketball/layups, I was very dedicated from age ~12 to ~22), and how light I am. what's funny though is, my L-SLRVJ is higher now (28 or so probably) without specifically training for it, than when I was say - a high schooler (26 or so), playing basketball every day etc. So I learned & fine tuned those motor patterns back then, but just became stronger later on (during dunk training, and retaining some level of strength afterwards). I think once you teach yourself how to get "very strong" (really pushing your limits), that stuff doesn't just disappear. The mindset/neurological aspect of it remains.

I probably could get to ~30" after a few weeks, maybe ~32" after a few months. 35-37" would take a long time though. Not sure what my L-SLRVJ was at the end of my dunk phase, but it was probably around 37" max, 34-35" avg, which had me landing some solid single leg dunks. Loved the speed aspect of L-SLRVJ, that's why I got addicted to it towards the end. Enjoyed that more than DLRVJ where I felt limited speed-wise.

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Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« Reply #1664 on: May 24, 2018, 03:43:38 pm »
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dunk with 25"?? whaa. i have to get my wrist a few inches over the rim to get a clean dunk, with a 8'2" standing reach that's like a 31"-32" vert to dunk. but then i cant palm the ball and all my bball dunks are 2 handers.