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Quote from: jumperer on October 18, 2016, 09:18:01 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlh4JWXKaA

goal now is to make this consistent. i think my max vert is now sitting in between the mid 30s and high 30s. don't think i have the best genetics, but i'm confident that i can get to 40. just have a very slight ache in my left knee still, think im just gonna keep foam rolling and stretching it i guess. may try cross friction massage on it and maybe even acupuncture.

Where in the knee? Don't go sticking needles into tendons and ligaments haphazardly.

probably the quadricep tendon, very very close to the kneecap though. and yea, of course i'm not gonna go about doing it by myself at home, i'm gonna get a professional to do it. or do you think getting a professional to do it is haphazard too?

Quote from: acole14 on October 18, 2016, 11:16:40 pm

Quote from: jumperer on October 18, 2016, 09:18:01 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlh4JWXKaA

goal now is to make this consistent. i think my max vert is now sitting in between the mid 30s and high 30s. don't think i have the best genetics, but i'm confident that i can get to 40. just have a very slight ache in my left knee still, think im just gonna keep foam rolling and stretching it i guess. may try cross friction massage on it and maybe even acupuncture.

Where in the knee? Don't go sticking needles into tendons and ligaments haphazardly.

probably the quadricep tendon, very very close to the kneecap though. and yea, of course i'm not gonna go about doing it by myself at home, i'm gonna get a professional to do it. or do you think getting a professional to do it is haphazard too?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I'll assume not. For a start I don't know whether you mean acupuncture or dry needling. Acupuncture really doesn't have any scientific justification. From my understanding, dry needling is slightly different in that it's more targeted to specific trigger point areas and I have heard plenty of anecdotal evidence from people in the business. But you have to ensure it's done right and there's always a small risk of tendon/ligament rupture given you're creating small (temporary) weak point in the tissue. We had a guy who had dry needling constantly on his achilles tendon, and while it would help him get through the next day's training he'd invariably pull or tear it a few days/weeks later. My old coach was very against injections in tendons/ligaments whether it was a cortisone shot or acupuncture needles because of the risk of subsequent tendon rupture under heavy load, which he's seen a few times. Again, all anecdotal; YMMV and it could potentially help for pain relief, but it probably doesn't fix the issue.

IMO, a far better and less risky approach to solving your quad tendinopathy is to get a PT/myotherapist etc. to look at your hip and ankle mobility/stability using SL squats and other functional movements. Then get the dysfunctional muscles worked on and start doing the relevant corrective strengthening exercises. Every dynamic knee fault that isn't some sort of congenital defect is most likely caused by upstream (hip) or downstream (ankle) joints and the associated muscles, more often than not around the hip.

Quote from: acole14 on October 19, 2016, 10:32:49 pm

Quote from: jumperer on October 19, 2016, 12:08:35 am

Quote from: acole14 on October 18, 2016, 11:16:40 pm

Quote from: jumperer on October 18, 2016, 09:18:01 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIlh4JWXKaA

goal now is to make this consistent. i think my max vert is now sitting in between the mid 30s and high 30s. don't think i have the best genetics, but i'm confident that i can get to 40. just have a very slight ache in my left knee still, think im just gonna keep foam rolling and stretching it i guess. may try cross friction massage on it and maybe even acupuncture.

Where in the knee? Don't go sticking needles into tendons and ligaments haphazardly.

probably the quadricep tendon, very very close to the kneecap though. and yea, of course i'm not gonna go about doing it by myself at home, i'm gonna get a professional to do it. or do you think getting a professional to do it is haphazard too?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. I'll assume not. For a start I don't know whether you mean acupuncture or dry needling. Acupuncture really doesn't have any scientific justification. From my understanding, dry needling is slightly different in that it's more targeted to specific trigger point areas and I have heard plenty of anecdotal evidence from people in the business. But you have to ensure it's done right and there's always a small risk of tendon/ligament rupture given you're creating small (temporary) weak point in the tissue. We had a guy who had dry needling constantly on his achilles tendon, and while it would help him get through the next day's training he'd invariably pull or tear it a few days/weeks later. My old coach was very against injections in tendons/ligaments whether it was a cortisone shot or acupuncture needles because of the risk of subsequent tendon rupture under heavy load, which he's seen a few times. Again, all anecdotal; YMMV and it could potentially help for pain relief, but it probably doesn't fix the issue.

IMO, a far better and less risky approach to solving your quad tendinopathy is to get a PT/myotherapist etc. to look at your hip and ankle mobility/stability using SL squats and other functional movements. Then get the dysfunctional muscles worked on and start doing the relevant corrective strengthening exercises. Every dynamic knee fault that isn't some sort of congenital defect is most likely caused by upstream (hip) or downstream (ankle) joints and the associated muscles, more often than not around the hip.

nope, i wasn't being sarcastic lol, just very uninformed on that stuff. my mom just suggested it, and i didn't really know how it was gonna be done lol. yea that seems like a huge risk cause there's very little pain right now, just very minor aching when i jump.

yea that sounds like when i'm gonna do again. the last physical therapist i saw bascially did some cross friction massage for a few sessions. after that, i just followed what she told me to do, and that was to stretch/foam roll quads hard and strengthen glutes/hamstrings with deadlifts.

All good, hard to tell sometimes online. Sounds like you're on the right track, these things just become a management/maintenance issue. I see you're doing weighted pistols, which is also good. Keep it up, good jumping progress.

deadlifts 295 lbs x 4,4,3.

the last vid you posted is private.

fwiw, my extremely limited personal experience of dry needling (n=1 session) was startlingly positive, and i have a couple of friends who got it also to good effect. my extremely limited person experience of acupuncture (n=1 session) was negative: the dude must have hit a nerve in my toe or something because for a while there it felt like a good portion of my foot was on fire. never again.

but when what you're talking about is movement-specific pain, i'm with acole. the problem is likely not going to be solved permanently by dry needling, and it's definitely not going to be solved by acupuncture.

side note: the scientific evidence for acupuncture as a discipline (placing needles along some apparently very specific locations) is weak relative to placebo (placing needles sort of haphazardly but in the same manner). but the placebo effect is there for a lot of people and can be powerful enough on its own to justify treatment, depending on the problem being addressed. studies aren't all of musculoskeletal pain; acupuncture is also used to treat, say, digestion issues.

put it back up.

ah i see. still a huge risk for me cause the pain is very minor. hit deadlifts and played pickup today and had a few layups off 1 foot, no pain at all though.

for some reason i suddenly have sharp pain around/near my right hip today. i deadlifted and played on friday and jumped yesterday, but it was even fine yesterday. gonna see what the deal with and be extra extra careful with this.

edit: nvm, the pain is gone. weird, it only lasted for 1/4 of the day.

glad to see that edit.. hip pain sucks. just got done talking about it with Leonel in his journal.

keep ur eye on it mijo.

going for long term injury prevention, but kinda a bit tricky atm. i know it's very important to be glute dominant, but what about the quads? it seems like you need strong quads too(particularly the VMO) to have good knee health.

any tips to hit the VMO hard besides TKE's?