Author Topic: Party's Over! (Read 419972 times)

Mikey · « **Reply #570 on:** October 27, 2017, 05:58:13 am »

So much for bench and squats

One of my friends is going through a divorce so I spent the past couple of days (after work) just hanging out with him and drinking. I didn't end up making it to the AA meeting this week. It's like my whole fkn life revolves around alcohol. I fkn hate it.

In other news one of my rugby team mates posted this:

"Everyone posting their little fitness story's so thought I would get in on it . Here's my warm up from this morning .I do this twice a day!". He's not the fastest in the team but he's definitely one of the fittest so I believe he would actually do this.

Mikey · « **Reply #571 on:** October 27, 2017, 06:06:12 am »

I'm skeptical that he does it twice a day but I don't doubt the time. Earlier this year we raced 100m and I beat him by about 10m so he's probably running low-mid 12's as I went all out and at that time I was running mid 11 seconds.

Coges · « **Reply #572 on:** October 29, 2017, 06:24:59 pm »

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on October 27, 2017, 05:58:13 am

So much for bench and squats One of my friends is going through a divorce so I spent the past couple of days (after work) just hanging out with him and drinking. I didn't end up making it to the AA meeting this week. It's like my whole fkn life revolves around alcohol. I fkn hate it.

In other news one of my rugby team mates posted this:

"Everyone posting their little fitness story's so thought I would get in on it . Here's my warm up from this morning .I do this twice a day!". He's not the fastest in the team but he's definitely one of the fittest so I believe he would actually do this.

Sucks about your mates divorce. I've been there as the consoling party when they just want to sink beers and drown their sorrows. Hard to not do it with them too.

Man, if true then that's a hell of a 10k time. You sure that's not on a bike though haha. The only suspicious thing for me is the HR? Avg of 124 at that pace over 10k?

AGC · « **Reply #573 on:** October 29, 2017, 08:18:37 pm »

Quote from: Coges on October 29, 2017, 06:24:59 pm

Man, if true then that's a hell of a 10k time. You sure that's not on a bike though haha. The only suspicious thing for me is the HR? Avg of 124 at that pace over 10k?

That's the first thing I noticed too. Surely it's too low? That or the crappy treadmill heart rate monitor isn't reliable.

Mikey · « **Reply #574 on:** October 30, 2017, 05:56:13 am »

Quote from: Coges on October 29, 2017, 06:24:59 pm

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on October 27, 2017, 05:58:13 am
So much for bench and squats One of my friends is going through a divorce so I spent the past couple of days (after work) just hanging out with him and drinking. I didn't end up making it to the AA meeting this week. It's like my whole fkn life revolves around alcohol. I fkn hate it.

In other news one of my rugby team mates posted this:

"Everyone posting their little fitness story's so thought I would get in on it . Here's my warm up from this morning .I do this twice a day!". He's not the fastest in the team but he's definitely one of the fittest so I believe he would actually do this.

Sucks about your mates divorce. I've been there as the consoling party when they just want to sink beers and drown their sorrows. Hard to not do it with them too.

Man, if true then that's a hell of a 10k time. You sure that's not on a bike though haha. The only suspicious thing for me is the HR? Avg of 124 at that pace over 10k?

Yeah I'll just write off last week as a 'deload'. As for whether that's on a bike I'll ask him that haha

Mikey · « **Reply #575 on:** October 30, 2017, 06:02:08 am »

I've joined a touch rugby team so I'll be playing that once a week over summer on Thursday nights. We formed the team last week just over facebook at the last minute. First game is this Thursday. It will help keep me active.

Squat-
60x5
100x5
107.5x5x3

Bench-
barx12
60x12
85x6
105x2 EASY!
102.5x3x2
82.5x8

Incline Bench DB-
12x12
16x12
20x12

adarqui · « **Reply #576 on:** October 30, 2017, 07:53:41 am »

Quote from: acole14 on October 29, 2017, 08:18:37 pm

Quote from: Coges on October 29, 2017, 06:24:59 pm

Man, if true then that's a hell of a 10k time. You sure that's not on a bike though haha. The only suspicious thing for me is the HR? Avg of 124 at that pace over 10k?

That's the first thing I noticed too. Surely it's too low? That or the crappy treadmill heart rate monitor isn't reliable.

Speaking about low heart rates... i've stumbled upon something weird. I like to "analyze" runners efforts on strava - to learn something from them. Well, for some of the fast local people around here, i'm just perplexed. Some of them are running 5:0X-5:2X per mile over 5k, so 15:XX-16:XX 5k's, with HR's at ~125 BPM or so. To me that's insanely low. So then I look at another race a few months earlier, and the HR's are ~165 BPM, at a slightly slower pace. That made me do a double take.. I find that extremely odd. I know nothing about PED's, but that's the first time i've really wondered if people are doing them. Also, this happened for 2 people, who are "friends". Doesn't bother me any, just find it interesting. I wonder what someone's stats would look like if they just got on EPO or something. Or maybe they just had a serious tail wind, that'd probably be a legit explanation. FWIW, they are also fast with a more normal HR, just not as fast as this bigger 5k race with an incredibly low HR. I personally don't get how someone who is "near PR level" for a 5k effort, could run 3 x 5:0X miles, with such a low HR. I'd expect someone's HR to be that low, if they are used to running 4:2X per mile, and are trotting the 5:0X..

As for Mutumbo's friend, that's a fast pace for sure. I imagine that HR could be legit for a treadmill run, the treadmill itself does alot of work. I'd imagine it would be higher on a road/track run.

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on October 30, 2017, 06:02:08 am

I've joined a touch rugby team so I'll be playing that once a week over summer on Thursday nights. We formed the team last week just over facebook at the last minute. First game is this Thursday. It will help keep me active.

nice!!!!

Coges · « **Reply #577 on:** October 30, 2017, 07:43:26 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on October 30, 2017, 07:53:41 am

Quote from: acole14 on October 29, 2017, 08:18:37 pm
Quote from: Coges on October 29, 2017, 06:24:59 pm

Man, if true then that's a hell of a 10k time. You sure that's not on a bike though haha. The only suspicious thing for me is the HR? Avg of 124 at that pace over 10k?

That's the first thing I noticed too. Surely it's too low? That or the crappy treadmill heart rate monitor isn't reliable.

Speaking about low heart rates... i've stumbled upon something weird. I like to "analyze" runners efforts on strava - to learn something from them. Well, for some of the fast local people around here, i'm just perplexed. Some of them are running 5:0X-5:2X per mile over 5k, so 15:XX-16:XX 5k's, with HR's at ~125 BPM or so. To me that's insanely low. So then I look at another race a few months earlier, and the HR's are ~165 BPM, at a slightly slower pace. That made me do a double take.. I find that extremely odd. I know nothing about PED's, but that's the first time i've really wondered if people are doing them. Also, this happened for 2 people, who are "friends". Doesn't bother me any, just find it interesting. I wonder what someone's stats would look like if they just got on EPO or something. Or maybe they just had a serious tail wind, that'd probably be a legit explanation. FWIW, they are also fast with a more normal HR, just not as fast as this bigger 5k race with an incredibly low HR. I personally don't get how someone who is "near PR level" for a 5k effort, could run 3 x 5:0X miles, with such a low HR. I'd expect someone's HR to be that low, if they are used to running 4:2X per mile, and are trotting the 5:0X..

As for Mutumbo's friend, that's a fast pace for sure. I imagine that HR could be legit for a treadmill run, the treadmill itself does alot of work. I'd imagine it would be higher on a road/track run.

Never thought about the EPO thing for recreational runners but then again why not use? I know a dozen guys at my gym who aren't that big but are recreational lifters and use steroids regularly. Even posting their "juicy" pics and workouts on IG as if no one can figure out that terminology. Runners are ego and numbers driven so it would not surprise me at all if they were using. I would go as far as to suggest that some runners are more ego driven than the vainest of bodybuilders out there.

Would it be accurate to say that the fitter/more elite you are the closer to your max HR you can run? Therefore if you're doing 3m/k's for distance and only have a HR of 124 then you would potentially have plenty of upside???

adarqui · « **Reply #578 on:** October 30, 2017, 09:18:22 pm »

Quote from: Coges on October 30, 2017, 07:43:26 pm

Quote from: adarqui on October 30, 2017, 07:53:41 am
Quote from: acole14 on October 29, 2017, 08:18:37 pm
Quote from: Coges on October 29, 2017, 06:24:59 pm

Man, if true then that's a hell of a 10k time. You sure that's not on a bike though haha. The only suspicious thing for me is the HR? Avg of 124 at that pace over 10k?

That's the first thing I noticed too. Surely it's too low? That or the crappy treadmill heart rate monitor isn't reliable.

Speaking about low heart rates... i've stumbled upon something weird. I like to "analyze" runners efforts on strava - to learn something from them. Well, for some of the fast local people around here, i'm just perplexed. Some of them are running 5:0X-5:2X per mile over 5k, so 15:XX-16:XX 5k's, with HR's at ~125 BPM or so. To me that's insanely low. So then I look at another race a few months earlier, and the HR's are ~165 BPM, at a slightly slower pace. That made me do a double take.. I find that extremely odd. I know nothing about PED's, but that's the first time i've really wondered if people are doing them. Also, this happened for 2 people, who are "friends". Doesn't bother me any, just find it interesting. I wonder what someone's stats would look like if they just got on EPO or something. Or maybe they just had a serious tail wind, that'd probably be a legit explanation. FWIW, they are also fast with a more normal HR, just not as fast as this bigger 5k race with an incredibly low HR. I personally don't get how someone who is "near PR level" for a 5k effort, could run 3 x 5:0X miles, with such a low HR. I'd expect someone's HR to be that low, if they are used to running 4:2X per mile, and are trotting the 5:0X..

As for Mutumbo's friend, that's a fast pace for sure. I imagine that HR could be legit for a treadmill run, the treadmill itself does alot of work. I'd imagine it would be higher on a road/track run.

Never thought about the EPO thing for recreational runners but then again why not use? I know a dozen guys at my gym who aren't that big but are recreational lifters and use steroids regularly. Even posting their "juicy" pics and workouts on IG as if no one can figure out that terminology. Runners are ego and numbers driven so it would not surprise me at all if they were using. I would go as far as to suggest that some runners are more ego driven than the vainest of bodybuilders out there.

keyword "some"

, more so in the recreational crowd i imagine .. but I don't think the running community comes close to the bodybuilding community in terms of ego/vanity, personally.. lmfao!

I mean, everyone that lifts a DB or BB is a bodybuilder/powerlifter .. then factor in "mirrors" are everywhere and it's just game over. Just look at it this way, take the bodybuilder/physique people you know or see on IG, then compare them to runners on IG, it's like 99.9% selfie photos in a bathroom for the BB'rs and 50% running photos for the runners.. hah.

but ya I bet some recreational people use PED's, I just don't think it's as easy to get into as traditional "roids" that people use for BB/contact sports etc. You never hear of people dishing out EPO. I bet there are a few tight knit circles though, like potentially the one I mentioned above, where people know what to do. The only thing is though, you're cheating your own wins if you race against the people you PED with .. so it would be a curious thing to see how often some suspected PED using recreational runners actually race each other. It would help them PR for sure though, if they are in the same race.

but ya I imagine runners will resort to those substances, just like they do for any other sport. Lots of people hear about those edges and probably take it.

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Would it be accurate to say that the fitter/more elite you are the closer to your max HR you can run? Therefore if you're doing 3m/k's for distance and only have a HR of 124 then you would potentially have plenty of upside???

somewhat.. the thing is though, alot of these elites have such incredibly well developed aerobic cardiovascular systems and pump so much blood per beat, that they can produce some serious pace without their HR getting anywhere near max, as long as they stay below lactic threshold. So I mean, you would think a fast pace @ only 124 HR would indicate plenty of upside, but it could also mean they are crazy efficient already at that pace, and if they go faster, they go above threshold and everything starts to fall apart. But, for a 5k ?? you'd have to be coasting for your HR to be in the 120's .. 5k is going to have you bouncing around threshold for the entire run, if you're racing. So your HR should be all over the place & pretty high. The longer the distance, the lower the HR I imagine, even if the pace seems crazy. Just means these guys can stay mostly aerobic and not trigger melt down, so their HR should be way lower than shorter distances such as 1 mile through 10k. etc

peace!!

Coges · « **Reply #579 on:** October 30, 2017, 09:36:54 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on October 30, 2017, 09:18:22 pm

Quote from: Coges on October 30, 2017, 07:43:26 pm
Quote from: adarqui on October 30, 2017, 07:53:41 am
Quote from: acole14 on October 29, 2017, 08:18:37 pm
Quote from: Coges on October 29, 2017, 06:24:59 pm

Man, if true then that's a hell of a 10k time. You sure that's not on a bike though haha. The only suspicious thing for me is the HR? Avg of 124 at that pace over 10k?

That's the first thing I noticed too. Surely it's too low? That or the crappy treadmill heart rate monitor isn't reliable.

Speaking about low heart rates... i've stumbled upon something weird. I like to "analyze" runners efforts on strava - to learn something from them. Well, for some of the fast local people around here, i'm just perplexed. Some of them are running 5:0X-5:2X per mile over 5k, so 15:XX-16:XX 5k's, with HR's at ~125 BPM or so. To me that's insanely low. So then I look at another race a few months earlier, and the HR's are ~165 BPM, at a slightly slower pace. That made me do a double take.. I find that extremely odd. I know nothing about PED's, but that's the first time i've really wondered if people are doing them. Also, this happened for 2 people, who are "friends". Doesn't bother me any, just find it interesting. I wonder what someone's stats would look like if they just got on EPO or something. Or maybe they just had a serious tail wind, that'd probably be a legit explanation. FWIW, they are also fast with a more normal HR, just not as fast as this bigger 5k race with an incredibly low HR. I personally don't get how someone who is "near PR level" for a 5k effort, could run 3 x 5:0X miles, with such a low HR. I'd expect someone's HR to be that low, if they are used to running 4:2X per mile, and are trotting the 5:0X..

As for Mutumbo's friend, that's a fast pace for sure. I imagine that HR could be legit for a treadmill run, the treadmill itself does alot of work. I'd imagine it would be higher on a road/track run.

Never thought about the EPO thing for recreational runners but then again why not use? I know a dozen guys at my gym who aren't that big but are recreational lifters and use steroids regularly. Even posting their "juicy" pics and workouts on IG as if no one can figure out that terminology. Runners are ego and numbers driven so it would not surprise me at all if they were using. I would go as far as to suggest that some runners are more ego driven than the vainest of bodybuilders out there.

keyword "some" , more so in the recreational crowd i imagine .. but I don't think the running community comes close to the bodybuilding community in terms of ego/vanity, personally.. lmfao!

I mean, everyone that lifts a DB or BB is a bodybuilder/powerlifter .. then factor in "mirrors" are everywhere and it's just game over. Just look at it this way, take the bodybuilder/physique people you know or see on IG, then compare them to runners on IG, it's like 99.9% selfie photos in a bathroom for the BB'rs and 50% running photos for the runners.. hah.

but ya I bet some recreational people use PED's, I just don't think it's as easy to get into as traditional "roids" that people use for BB/contact sports etc. You never hear of people dishing out EPO. I bet there are a few tight knit circles though, like potentially the one I mentioned above, where people know what to do. The only thing is though, you're cheating your own wins if you race against the people you PED with .. so it would be a curious thing to see how often some suspected PED using recreational runners actually race each other. It would help them PR for sure though, if they are in the same race.

but ya I imagine runners will resort to those substances, just like they do for any other sport. Lots of people hear about those edges and probably take it.

Yeah it's not a vanity thing but purely a numbers thing. From the runners I know, especially those pushing the 3-4min/km range it's all about times at the expense of everything else. These are the guys I think have the same level of vanity as the bodybuilders, just in a numbers format rather than the mirror. Agree that stuff like EPO wouldn't be as readily accessible to the masses but like you said there's no doubt there'd be a few close knit groups pushing this stuff.

adarqui · « **Reply #580 on:** October 31, 2017, 06:47:12 am »

Ya I completely agree about the vanity with numbers. I just think personally, that when you can see your progress or lack of progress in an actual mirror, it heightens everything to an extreme level, since you can get that feedback instantly. Plus, physique "fluctuations" due to bloating & such, food/fluid intake, pump from lifting etc, it can consume people.

I've mentioned it before, but i've seen one guy at races who would always throw tantrums at the end. He told me once, that he's trying to break 20 in the 5k. So, when he doesn't break it, he throws water bottles, yells at himself, walks off huffing and puffing etc. It's pretty crazy. Most people seem pretty happy, and if someone is mad at their time, they are probably too tired to show it, so it's hard to notice.. lmao.

But ya, i'm glad i'm not a numbers runner anymore. I mean I have a small amount of it still, but just enough to manage my training with. I'm just all about effort now, numbers can F off. So in a 5k for example, i've given "100% effort" for 1.5 miles, so ~50% of a 5k. I've never been able to give 100% for 3.1. So it seems like i'm trying to PR my effort level more than my numbers, and I think that is a very effective way to approach running. Numbers fluctuate day by day, just like training vs competition 1RM's etc. If someone lifts every day based on a projected 1RM that they achieved on a "great day", all of their training could be way off, because they just can't achieve that type of performance as the days chug on.

Also, as far as cheaters go in local races .. If I get beat by a PED cheater, doesn't bother me at all. I should annihilate them, drugs or not. That's how I look at it anyway.

If someone hops in a car and drives to the finish line, that would annoy me. Those people deserve to be punched in the face. If you search "marathon cheaters", there's tons of videos describing that, or people getting others to run for them. That's just disgraceful. hah.

peace!

Mikey · « **Reply #581 on:** October 31, 2017, 07:01:25 am »

Squat-
60x5
100x5
120x3
115x3x2
60x6
I wanted to get squats out the way because I've got my first touch game in a couple of days. Weight wise 120kg was easier than I was expecting but still dropped it down to 115kg for the next couple of sets just because I didn't want to feel like struggling at all.

Rows-
20x12
40x12
60x12
80x12
92.5x5
102.5x5
107.5x5
112.5x5

Chin Ups-
bwx11x4

Pull Ups-
6

Solid session today but it's what I need after slacking off in the last week and probably since May actually in terms of gym work.

Mikey · « **Reply #582 on:** November 01, 2017, 06:40:27 am »

Bench-
barx12
60x12
87.5x6
107.5x2

102.5x3x2
90x7

Hammer Strength Bench-
20x10
40x10
60x10
80x10

Chin Ups (10kg attached)
6x3

Mikey · « **Reply #583 on:** November 02, 2017, 08:05:07 am »

First game of touch rugby for the season and the game got called off with 5 minutes to go

I play with some ultra competitive brothers from the Bulldogs squad and it was a close game and the ref was just letting too much shit go. To be fair there was a color clash as both teams were wearing black but it was getting heated. We have some very vocal fans and the ref didn't like what was being said so they called the game off and called it a draw. The team we played won the comp last season and some of us (myself included) have never actually played touch rugby before so we're definitely going to give the comp a shake- if we don't get kicked out LOL! When the game got called we were losing 2-1 with it being 1-1 at half time.

On another note it's amazing how quickly you lose fitness when you don't do cardio for a couple of months!!!

LBSS · « **Reply #584 on:** November 02, 2017, 10:05:47 am »

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on November 02, 2017, 08:05:07 am

there was a color clash as both teams were wearing black

what? how?

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