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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2025 on: September 05, 2013, 09:02:56 am »
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What about doing just the negative part of the GHR in higher volumes just to the point where you can perfectly maintain form, not necessarily all the way out in ROM?

Basically the same thing as doing negative chinups.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2026 on: September 05, 2013, 09:32:22 am »
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that's actually a good idea. i can perfectly maintain form all the way down, it's on the concentric where it gets HARD. mmkay gonna do that. thanks raptor.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2027 on: September 05, 2013, 10:03:04 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: hamstrings a very little bit
ACHES/INJURIES: hips tight
MENTAL STATE: CNS firing a bit slow

- warm up

- SL bounds x 5,5

- broad jump x 4

- DL bound x 4,4,4
first two sets above average, probably 12.5 yards

- sprint 40y x 3; 60m x 1
shit, just awful. need to run with avishek again because there's a chance i'm really screwing myself on timing. or maybe i'm just slower than i hope. not even posting the times i got.

- DSVJ, DLRVJ, SLRVJ x a bunch
went for 15 minutes or so. not good. did some of T0ddday's suggestion of running faster than i can manage and planting without worrying about how high i get.

- T0ddday test
4:41 and this wasn't even that hard. so either T0ddday's people are in horrible shape or i'm in better shape than i think.

- stretch
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2028 on: September 06, 2013, 03:25:27 am »
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- T0ddday test
4:41 and this wasn't even that hard. so either T0ddday's people are in horrible shape or i'm in better shape than i think.


That's the 150's test?   Should be pretty hard as long don't jog the recovery.   If the walk recovery is avg 30 seconds + about 15 seconds to get to pushup position and knock out 10 pushups and get back up and run....  That means your getting your 150's in an average of 20.0 seconds give or take depending on how much your recovery goes long/short.   20 second 150's isn't blazing, it's about 13 seconds per hundred.... But the fatigue from the low rest and the pushups make it feel super hard; it's 52 second pace for the quarter but done over 750 meters with short short rests.... Not easy for me...    BTW in case your interested, I am training an aspiring walk-on triple jumper for USC.   The standards that they test every athlete on and that they think best predict athletic potential are:

1) Standing Broad Jump
2) 30 meter fly
3) Single Leg Cycle Bounding for Distance
4) 45 second run (how far can you go in 45 seconds)

(in that order)

5) Event specific tests.

----- So, your workout seems pretty well tailored for a school with a pretty decent track history (more olympic medals than any other university in the states). 

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2029 on: September 06, 2013, 11:56:13 am »
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yeah it's the 150s test. i ran the 150s in about 25s -- remember how slow i am -- but my recoveries were shortish, maybe 15-20s each. i did walk them.

in re: the other tests:

1. best broad jump = ~9'3-9'6, somewhere in there
2. 30m fly = ???
3. SL bound = ??? because i don't know how many bounds, also, is this with a lead-in or from a SL standing start?
4. how far i can run in 45s = ??? but might be fun to find out. maybe next week.
5. event-specific tests = i still can't jump that good
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2030 on: September 06, 2013, 04:14:50 pm »
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did you do the GHR on the GHR machine and is it normal for it to be painful on the quads because of the pads pressing against them? or is it bearable for you?
Warm up drills
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2031 on: September 06, 2013, 11:33:04 pm »
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yeah it's the 150s test. i ran the 150s in about 25s -- remember how slow i am -- but my recoveries were shortish, maybe 15-20s each. i did walk them.

in re: the other tests:

1. best broad jump = ~9'3-9'6, somewhere in there
2. 30m fly = ???
3. SL bound = ??? because i don't know how many bounds, also, is this with a lead-in or from a SL standing start?
4. how far i can run in 45s = ??? but might be fun to find out. maybe next week.
5. event-specific tests = i still can't jump that good

That's a pretty nice standing broad jump.  I check the tables again but I remember that over 9 feet was good. 

The SL bounding looks like it consists of a standing triple jump on turf, and then single leg bounding on each foot for 50 yards.  Eg. Stand at 0 yards, jump on your left foot repeatedly with an entire stride cycle.  Ground contacts between start and finish are the score.

The 45 second test is a REALLY good test for getting athletes right up until the aerobic range.  45 seconds is about the maximum when it comes to lactate threshold. 

The event specific tests for jumper would be long/triple/high jump or the 100/200/400 for sprinters.  God, the standards are pretty high at USC.   The required time in the 100m for a walk on is 10.8 and a 10.5 only gets your a promise of a partial.  10.3 is required for full scholarship.  I think they might be exaggerating a bit though because some of their athletes are not that fast.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2032 on: September 09, 2013, 12:32:41 am »
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yeah i'd imagine the cutoffs are just to intimidate pretenders and make sure that whoever shows up is actually somewhat fast. it'd be hard to field a varsity team if your cutoffs were that ridiculous. 10.3 would have blown away the field at the pac-10 championships last season and been the fourth or fifth-fastest time anyone in the conference had run all year.

btw. oregon had a girl run 10.96 last year!  :-X

WEIGHT: 174
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: pretty good (which is, somehow, better than "good")

- warm up
shot around, lots of layups

- DLRVJ x ~15-20
i think the rim was a bit high, but jumped higher on it than i have before (one or two other times at this court). touched every time, got a knuckle over a couple times. feeling okay.

- SLRVJ x ~12-15
felt better off left than right although heights roughly the same, ~2-3" short of the rim. something odd has happened to my left-footed SLRVJ vs. my right. right has always been dominant and often still is, but i think my technique is better off my left now. not sure why but i seem to gather myself better, if that makes sense. may not for the nonnative english speakers. sorry bros.

- squat 330 x 1,1,1,1
meh

- bench 170 x 10+3+3+3
hard, wrists feeling it. got all the reps solidly, though

- BOR 170 x 10+3+3+3
ugly, body english involved, ego check time.

- DB RDL 70s x 10,10

- various pull ups and chin ups and clapping pull ups

- rear delt flyes 15s x 10

- hanging leg raise x 10,10

- double-unders for time
lost count, god damn it. bad, though, my forearms were tired and that fucks everything up.

(later)

- stretch

got a little vid. i love this gym and wish i could go to it all the time but it's in baltimore. oh well. costs me $25 a session to drop in, too. unless the girl at the front desk lets me in free, but some other lady was there this time. oh well.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2013, 10:06:16 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2033 on: September 09, 2013, 12:42:19 am »
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not good but not completely humiliating.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddo-q1GSlnQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddo-q1GSlnQ</a>

the first SLRVJ is especially bad and if my computer didn't suck so much i'd cut it out of this vid, but i think you can see what i mean about the bad technique on the right leg. left leg approach is much more confident.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3sqoz9nHFo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3sqoz9nHFo</a>

ETA: i welcome the video jump height sleuths to estimate how high i am here. from my own analysis it seems like the DLRVJ were in the 30-31 range and the rim is actually 10' after all, not higher as i imagined at the time. c'est la vie. now it's (past) time for bed.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2013, 01:04:19 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2034 on: September 09, 2013, 02:31:11 am »
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You're definitely a lot better off 2 legs. If you've got a 7'6 reach than your 2 leg jump is at least 30 inches coz I can see you touching the rim.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2035 on: September 09, 2013, 02:40:54 am »
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Any reason for the single leg jumps of both left and right? For mine you look much more coordinated off your left foot so I'm wondering why you'd even bother doing both legs. As a natural one foot jumper I can't imagine ever jumping off my right leg. I used to have to do it for training when we did left handed lay-ups but would never do it outside that situation.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2036 on: September 09, 2013, 06:20:03 am »
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It's the hamstring off one leg... that's what I see. You're actually using your glute pretty well of one IMO, and you also have the correct armswing (I can't armswing like you are, I can't get both arms back like you do).

Off two maybe the most glaring thing is that you're VERY little lowering the center of gravity during your warmup. If you'd be able to improve on that, and start lowering better in preparation of the jump, you'd right now jump higher. It's like even in your penultimate step you're still pretty high, and then you're suddenly getting lower in your plant, which is very hard to control.

At least this is what I see.
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All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2037 on: September 09, 2013, 09:55:09 am »
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Any reason for the single leg jumps of both left and right? For mine you look much more coordinated off your left foot so I'm wondering why you'd even bother doing both legs. As a natural one foot jumper I can't imagine ever jumping off my right leg. I used to have to do it for training when we did left handed lay-ups but would never do it outside that situation.

i alluded to it in the description of the videos: i'm historically much stronger planting with my right leg. it's less noticeable now but for many years my right leg was visibly bigger than my left. a vestige of my idiosyncratic -- read: wrong, but whatever, it worked for me -- stance when i fenced. even had a massage therapist comment on the difference in muscle tonus between the two legs a couple years ago, completely unprompted, probably 6-7 years after i stopped fencing. i kick left-footed, too (when i kick at all, my 80-year-old-man toes mean i don't often play soccer or practice my field goal technique), for what that's worth. i think the potential in my right leg is still probably greater, if i can figure out why i'm so tentative off it and fix that.

@raptor: good point about getting lower in the approach. i was trying to do that at the track the other day when i had my horrible 95-degree workout. something to practice. and yeah, gonna keep trying to boost the ol' hammies. more GHR, more RDL.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2038 on: September 09, 2013, 10:03:52 am »
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Why don't you try some RL plants off two? If you're right handed you're going to need less thoracic extension and shoulder flexibility to "dunk" since you can get your arm behind you (unlike in a LR plant with the right hand up).

If you have a stronger right leg and you kick with your left, then a RL plant should actually be a more stable plant for you.
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All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2039 on: September 09, 2013, 10:11:26 am »
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It looks to me like you have a lot going right there, good speed into the jump and a smooth transition into an explosive jump. I'd think more (leg) strength is all you need since your reactivity is very good. But you guys have forgotten way more about jumping than I have ever known.
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