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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2010 on: August 31, 2013, 12:58:43 pm »
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True but if he can add another 3-6" on box height and have close to the same GCT/not crumple then his RFD should go up. Just an observation.  I always try to find a middle ground between GCT and a box thats too high and I crumple, invariably after a while my GCT get better and I go up a few inches on the box.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2011 on: August 31, 2013, 01:13:02 pm »
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I pulled the video and ran it thru avidemux to step thru it frame by frame (cause i'm movement retarded and can't tell these things at full speed). So this is what I see. A really exaggerated drop with L leg away from the box (maybe too long for this box height?). His left foot is fully extended of the drop and seems to land that way (hard to tell cause it's obscured by R leg). But R leg is bent from the drop to the landing. He lands on his heels into a quarter squat, then rocks onto the balls of his feet and then jumps (not directly up but up and forward). R leg is way higher (is this true LBBS or does it just look that way?). I'd guess he could cut GCT down by landing on the balls of his foot so he wouldnt have to first rotate onto the balls before taking off.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2012 on: August 31, 2013, 01:40:28 pm »
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He just plants way too much in front off that low box. The length of the drop "should" be the same as the box height... that ensures a 45 degree plant and will prevent overreaching (too long) or underreaching (too short).
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All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2013 on: August 31, 2013, 01:49:31 pm »
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Nice going Entropy! Your analysis would explain the GCT, heel to toe is bound to add significant GCT!
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2014 on: September 02, 2013, 02:19:43 am »
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wide awake and sober at 2 AM so here i am. thanks for the responses y'all. the low box and long step are deliberate; this is more like a horizontal-hop-plus and i get about 1.5-2" of extra jump height out of the drop. i guess these aren't really depth jumps at all, now that i think about it. because i'm so bad at box jumps (or getting anything out of added speed or stimulus anyway, just look at my RVJ), my plan is to slowly add height. once i get above a certain height the step will be more proportionate and i'll start landing on my toes.

i don't see the R/L difference that entropy pointed out but spot-on about the GCT. that'll go down as the box height goes up. next time i'll go for 12" or something and see how i do.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2015 on: September 02, 2013, 03:32:29 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: blah, terrible sleep last night and it's hot and humid as shit outside

- warm up

- avishek SL bounds x 3,3,3

- 1-2 jumps x 4,4,4,4,4

- various SL bounds x some

- two-step DLRVJ x some

- sprint ~40m x 1; 55m x 2
?, 7.59, 7.72

unbelievably slow, just awful. the jumps and bounds were bad, too. normal track was unavailable so i had to go to shitty banneker. plus it's a million degrees outside and i got like 3-4 total hours of sleep last night. bad workout, oh well. going to play tennis with my dad later.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2013, 03:34:45 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2016 on: September 03, 2013, 10:30:00 pm »
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WEIGHT: 175.5
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: toes
MENTAL STATE: good, a bit springy

- warm up

- depth jump @~18-20" x 3,3,3
mostly same or ~0.5" higher than SVJ, last one at least 1" higher. got vid, will upload later.

- 1-2 jump squat 45 x 2,2

- squat 330 x 1,1,1; 290 x 5,5
strong

- bench 165 x 10+3+3+3

- BOR 165 x 10+3+3+3

- GHR x 2,2,2

- rear delt flye 12.5s x 10,10

- DB RDL 60s x 10,10

- windshield wiper x 12,12,12

- double unders x 100
3:05, shitty

- stretch

good workout. 335 next time for squat.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2017 on: September 04, 2013, 07:16:26 am »
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Just two reps on GHR? You need a much higher volume.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2018 on: September 04, 2013, 10:31:44 am »
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Just two reps on GHR? You need a much higher volume.

you must have missed or forgotten about the discussion with alexv about form on GHRs. i can pump out GHRs if i allow myself to break at the hips, but i'm trying to do them with perfect alignment.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2019 on: September 04, 2013, 04:54:59 pm »
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Then do leg curls after them to get that volume up.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2020 on: September 04, 2013, 07:39:08 pm »
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Then do leg curls after them to get that volume up.

- DB RDL 60s x 10,10

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2021 on: September 04, 2013, 08:07:50 pm »
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That load for DB RDLs seems really low. Why would they be that much harder than barbell equivalent? ROM?

Is there significant carryover between hip extension and knee flexion?
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2022 on: September 04, 2013, 11:20:28 pm »
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120 pounds is low. i just started doing them so i'm trying to avoid the major hamstring DOMS. no harder than barbell, i'm using DBs because i don't feel like loading a barbell again at that point in my workout. my gym goes up to 120s, which is double what i'm doing now. once i pass that i'll start with the BB.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2023 on: September 05, 2013, 06:28:58 am »
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Yeah but here's the thing - GHR = knee flexing exercise. Leg curl = knee flexing exercise. RDL = hip extensor exercise.

That's what I meant.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2024 on: September 05, 2013, 08:55:53 am »
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Yeah but here's the thing - GHR = knee flexing exercise. Leg curl = knee flexing exercise. RDL = hip extensor exercise.

That's what I meant.

ah, touche, touche. that is a good point. i guess that was joe's point, too.  :uhhhfacepalm:

hadn't thought about adding leg curls of any kind. i could throw in some non-strict GHRs to get the volume work in but i'd rather focus on quality on those. once i can rep out more than a few i'll be a beast.

EDIT: someone downvote that post i made with DB RDLs in huge type.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2013, 08:57:44 am by LBSS »
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