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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1980 on: August 26, 2013, 12:00:21 pm »
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what did you read?
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1981 on: August 26, 2013, 12:10:30 pm »
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what did you read?

Smiley's People, by John LeCarre, and The Sound of Things Falling, by Juan Gabriel Vasquez.

LeCarre writes the best dialogue of any novelist I've ever read, and it's not even close. It is indescribably awesome; even The Russia House, which isn't great, has some riveting scenes of characters just talking to each other for several pages. I've read three of his four towering cold war books now: Smiley's People; Tinker, Tailor; and The Spy Who Came in From the Cold. Only The Honourable Schoolboy remains.

The Vasquez book was also wonderful, if very sad. A total page-turner for such a serious book whose main theme (to me) is humans' profound and ultimately insurmountable isolation from each other, despite all our efforts to connect.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1982 on: August 26, 2013, 12:19:57 pm »
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Being English I've read some LeCarre, though I think in a very different context from you. I'll revisit some soon.

You ever read DeLillo? He's got a weird approach to dialogue that a lot of people hate, but a lot of people (me included) love.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1983 on: August 26, 2013, 09:11:35 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: low back after DL bounds; shins from very beginning of tempo (???)
MENTAL STATE: good, so ready to be back to work

- warm up

- broad jump x 4
12y on the nose

- DL bound x 4,4,4
awful, okay, good (12y+1')

- avishek SL bound x 3,3

- sprint 30m x 3
4.24, 4.25, 4.28, back achy from bounds

- sprint 40y x 2
5.35, 5.29 uhhh what? apparently my 30m markers have been wrong? or something? or i can't count? i need to take the measuring tape to the track next time and just make sure i'm using the right hash marks. 5.29 is exceptionally slow, even for me and even with a sore back.

- SLRVJ, DSVJ, DLRVJ x a whole lot
jumped for a bit more than 20 mins, lots of submax stuff at a very short rim. feeling the back and the first-workout rust.

- tempo sprint the straights jog the curves x F
shins screaming at me as soon as i started sprinting the first straight. tried to finish the lap and couldn't. legs dead anyway, called it a workout. this is a bit weird, hasn't happened to me in a long time. not shin splints, but the feeling that your shin bones themselves are pulling away from the muscle, or something like that.

- stretch

was planning to launch right back into heavy (for me) squats tomorrow but i think i'm going to play it cautious based on how wrecked i got from tonight.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1984 on: August 28, 2013, 12:08:16 am »
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WEIGHT: 175.5
SORENESS: hamstrings, quads, glutes, lower abs, lower back, traps
ACHES/INJURIES: none
MENTAL STATE: good, a bit rueful about the soreness

- warm up

- a few SVJ
quite bad, soreness interfering with max effort

- jump squat 45 x 3,3

- squat 315 x 1,1,1
baaaah

- bench 155 x 10+3+3+3

- paused DB row 60 x 10+3+3+3
hard

- BSS x 10,10,10,10,10

- leg press calf raise 415 x 10+3+3+3

- GHR sit up x 20,20
- body saw thing on rings with feet elevated x 16

- stretch

soreness got in the way today. i measured the vent i've been reaching to in the gym's new configuration and it looks like it's 18" past my reach (i really reached, no NFL combine shit). that puts a jump at my wrist at 25.5, based on my just re-measured reach of 7'6.5 (damn it). my best jumps have been an inch or more past that. good to have numbers to go off of again. on empty-gym days i'm going to try to get some DSVJ and short-approach RVJ going, although there isn't much space even with no people around. and more depth jumps.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2013, 10:16:34 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1985 on: August 28, 2013, 06:15:11 pm »
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some jump vids from tuesday. unedited and full of crap, but here's where i'm at right now. all movement efficiency shot, surprise surprise. this hoop used to be something like 9'6 but it's just under 9' now because little kids come and fuck with it. my guess is that the better jumps were around 30", which is awful. gonna try to keep getting video like this, it's very helpful to have.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6xQQAXXjgU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6xQQAXXjgU</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDy00UgeDZE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDy00UgeDZE</a>

and a bonus video of me doing some light drills and avishek SL bounds a couple of weeks ago:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MhfrzR8KdI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MhfrzR8KdI</a>
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1986 on: August 28, 2013, 06:28:04 pm »
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Looking fine.

The more and more I look at your videos the more I think you have hamstring issues, probably both in terms of flexibility and strength. There's something about your movement, the way you favor knee bend/body position etc that makes me think that. You tell me how accurate I am.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1987 on: August 28, 2013, 11:49:52 pm »
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probably not flexibility. i can put my palms flat on the ground with my feet narrower than shoulder width. strength, you very well might be right.

my knee definitely buckles sometimes on SLRVJ, on both sides. not as bad as it used to, though. i wonder sometimes whether that has to do with hamstring strength, especially when i compare myself to you or some of the other SL jumpers whose legs stay nearly straight (at least compared to mine) on SL jumps.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1988 on: August 29, 2013, 12:35:40 am »
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What are you doing for hamstring strength? Just GHRs? Maybe throw some RDLs into the mix (I prefer RDLs over conventional DLs but that's just me). Having said that I like how your training is going atm. Seeing improvements will just be a matter of keeping it up for awhile and not getting hurt from all the ground contacts.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1989 on: August 29, 2013, 04:34:51 am »
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What about straight leg deadlifts? I do them and I love them. But I've heard so many anecdotes about "how dangerous they are"... wtf...

You know, I used to think the same about my hamstring flexibility. I was like "man, I can put my palms on the ground, I have BEAST hamstring flexibility" when in fact all I was doing was bending my back.

If you keep your back neutral (head, upperback and lowerback all in line) without - obviously - allowing the chest to collapse forward - you'll see THEN what your hamstring flexibility actually is.

I can get a bit under the knees with that. And you can REALLY feel the hamstrings stretch, not like before. From that position you can collapse the chest and see how it felt back when you were doing the way you were doing it before (which is wrong).

So basically - for me - due to hamstring INflexibility I have compensated in time by becoming very flexible in the trunk, which is NOT necessarily the thing you want. That explains a lot of my movement impairments as well.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2013, 04:36:32 am by Raptor »
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1990 on: August 29, 2013, 05:18:43 am »
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Maybe we should all be doing deadlifts. Lol.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1991 on: August 29, 2013, 05:39:51 am »
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RDLs 'lance-style' are my preference. But straight leg deadlifts are really challenging my hamstring flexibility too. Or, LBSS,  that 'straight-leg-and-romanian-deadlift-hybrid' that you posted on the beast thread some time ago, that should work too. I would prefer those variations over the 'regular' deadlift, which by nature is much heavier, low-rep and form is not easy to track. With the other versions, the fixed legs position  ( locked knees for SL, steady bend for RDL ) aid you to : keep it safe, always be sure your form is correct, and do higher rep schemes too.
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PS: The jumps look mid-to-low-forearm-at-rim so 15'' above rim, give or take . And you need ~19'' to barely touch 9'. That is 34'' mister! Ok , maybe rim is a couple inches lower than 9', so I would go for ~32'' as a rough estimation ( heels height confirm it too ).
« Last Edit: August 29, 2013, 06:39:53 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1992 on: August 29, 2013, 08:35:07 am »
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Notes:

The good:

1) You have a really high ratio of "how high he looks" : "how high he says he is".   Maybe your just the only honest one on the forum, maybe your undersell yourself.   But you "look" 33-36'' on the best of the jumps. 

2) You look somewhat leaner and stronger than your original videos.


The bad.

1)  Your 1-legged jump is really bad.   For me one legged jump is ALL practice.  Originally I could mess around long jump but that was it.  I spent a few days practicing one footed dunks on Raptors advice and about 6 inches to my 1 footed dunk jumps (went from ugly dunk misses to powerful dunks).   However, I recently tried to jump for the backboard stanchion post ( the thing that holds the backboard behind it - it's slightly less than 11' and I can touch it off two feet ).   I was a good 6-7 inches short, despite the fact that my vertical displacement on my 1 footed vs 2 footed dunks is about the same now.    It really seems that EACH one footed jump has to be practiced and practiced a lot.  I watched Jesse Williams (American High Jumper) in a dunk contest once.  He is obviously a one footed jumper but all his dunks were pretty unimpressive considering that he can clear 7'9''.   That was until he did a dunk where he approached the rim with a lead-up with his back to the rim and a stutter step just like a high jump and received the ball from a teammate.  It was as if he could get an extra foot of leap by replicating the movement pattern he obviously had spent a lot of time working on.  Moral of the story; get one particular one legged jump, be it 5 step or 7 step lead or whatever and drill the hell out of it.

2) On the same vein... You don't get much out of your two footed lead in either.   Your two footed jump is essentially the same as a 2 step approach.  Now the drop-step/2 step approach DOES provide a huge improvement in leap over the standing vertical for a lot of people, myself included.  But THERE is another level when you add in actual speed in the approach.   In my case I get like 3 inches out of the drop step and then another 3 from a perfectly timed speed approach.  Really force yourself to practice actual building up some decent running speed and then "popping up" at that speed.  It's a drill long and high-jumpers use off one foot but you can bring the idea to a two footed leap.  For awhile don't think about height but about maintaining as much speed as possible, then force your left leg to initially provide vertical impulse and bring your right leg in to further stop you from going forward and "pop up".   IMO that's your easiest path to getting more inches.

3) Lastly, your B skip looks really funny!  Not that it matters because it's a drill that has limited utility even for hurdlers....  but the goal is drive the knee THEN extend the foot.  Dunno if you see the difference but here is correct:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--eZf_sPWk0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--eZf_sPWk0</a>


** Now post an actual sprint video.  Like 60-100 meters!

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1993 on: August 29, 2013, 09:43:14 am »
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That was until he did a dunk where he approached the rim with a lead-up with his back to the rim and a stutter step just like a high jump and received the ball from a teammate.  It was as if he could get an extra foot of leap by replicating the movement pattern he obviously had spent a lot of time working on.  Moral of the story; get one particular one legged jump, be it 5 step or 7 step lead or whatever and drill the hell out of it.

This is so true... I think I can jump about 8 inches higher in my 3892239585 times practiced one-leg jump approach (with the ball in hand) than with any other one-leg jump approach.

When I jump without the ball my armswing gets completely shutdown and my movement becomes very weird. Same thing happens if I try to jump with both arms up. I'm so used of pushing with my left hand down and to the side (extending my chest forward and up) so when I can't do that I SUCK hard off one leg...

It's a lot of practice.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1994 on: August 29, 2013, 10:59:46 am »
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@T0ddday:

lol, i knew i was doing b-skips wrong. i see the diff, will correct. i like doing them as part of the warm up. :uhhhfacepalm:

i doubt i'm higher than 30.5 or so on those jumps but as i've said before, i prefer to be uncharitable to myself. it's hard to tell because i haven't taken a tape measure to the rim yet; obviously practicing on a taller ring would be ideal. i wish i had raptor's set-up of 9'8 and 10' rims. there's no way in hell i'm getting 36, i think my all-time PR is 35.5 and i'm well below that now. in my videos from the old gym you can see that i was much more efficient in the run-up and was able to get a lot more out of a longer approach. on 100% of my best jumps i started a foot or so beyond the three-point line.

yes, drilling is important and my lack of it is the biggest reason why the first six months of this year were a complete fucking waste of time.

@raptor and acole:

on the hammies, i was being a little facetious with the comment about being able to put my palms flat. i know that has more to do with trunk and actually with my SI joint, where i'm a bit hypermobile in straight flexion, according to a PT i saw a while back. with neutral back i can put my hands about halfway down my shins. anyway, can't hurt to work on flexibility and strength there. GHRs are good but i'm limited most by my core when i do them super-strict. will start doing some light RDLs after GHR.

@vag:

nice of you to say 32; by my eyeball estimate the rim is 8'10.5. reach 7'6.5, need 16.5 to touch + 15 = oh, wait, i guess that'd be 31.5. well, that's nicer than 30.5. still would have counted as a crap day last november.
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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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