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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3270 on: December 06, 2015, 03:27:17 pm »
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Agree 100% with you. But I usually don't go on dates with women that I'm not physically attracted to in the first place... but whatever I just found the statement a bit strange. I definitely did not want to turn this into a big argument.

date came from an app, pics made her seem cuter than she was in real life. so it goes.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3271 on: December 06, 2015, 03:52:12 pm »
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I dont get app dating or online dating...its overly convenient. Its not any challenge really. swipe left or right or up or down. dont actually fsce the person to learn about them...shrug.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3272 on: December 06, 2015, 07:31:59 pm »
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Wow. Downvoted for having standards. Harsh.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3273 on: December 06, 2015, 11:51:47 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: hamstrings, traps
ACHES/INJURIES: none (hip hitch was back a little)
MENTAL STATE: good

- jump rope x 500; double unders on the 30s x 10 + 2x20; double unders x 50
horrible notation, whatever. about 3 mins rest between blocks. the x50 double unders were hard toward the end.

- stretch

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breakfast: smoothie, cup of coffee
lunch:
dinner: chipotle
other: cup of coffee, some chips and artichoke dip, three beers

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9 hours
« Last Edit: December 07, 2015, 12:12:23 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3274 on: December 06, 2015, 11:52:29 pm »
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I dont get app dating or online dating...its overly convenient. Its not any challenge really. swipe left or right or up or down. dont actually fsce the person to learn about them...shrug.

yeah tbh i've been kind of disappointed/frustrated by it. tried it mostly because i was in a relationship for the whole time the apps got big and so i just wanted to see what they were like.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3275 on: December 07, 2015, 12:13:13 pm »
+1
have a mild cough and sore throat today, stayed home from work since i lectured everyone at the last staff meeting about not coming in sick and spreading germs, lol.

later: still feel run down, went to the gym and warmed up but just feel like crap. hopefully will sleep well tonight and be back in business tomorrow.

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« Last Edit: December 07, 2015, 08:24:46 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3276 on: December 08, 2015, 09:34:13 pm »
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WEIGHT: 172
SORENESS: none really
ACHES/INJURIES: head after second set of squats; still dealing with throat/chest cold
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up
did some of those bounds T0ddday is trying to get raptor to do

- depth jump @18" x 5,5,5
first two sets felt explosive, first one in particular. smooth and i was getting up.

- squat 295 x 5,5,4
second set was a struggle, head started hurting. got my shit together and the first three reps of the fifth set were very good. fourth set lost concentration and then re-racked the bar. no need to fail.

- rest of workout
headache, no good, still feeling it. benching/rowing not worth killing myself for. should have done calf raises but just felt out of it.

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dinner: pulled chicken, bean salad, chocolate milk
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« Last Edit: December 08, 2015, 10:00:12 pm by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3277 on: December 09, 2015, 09:05:37 pm »
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had it in mind to go to the gym tonight to do the rest of the workout but it's 9 PM and i just got home after starting work at 7:30 AM. and i have a call in 5-10 minutes. no gym tonight.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3278 on: December 09, 2015, 09:27:42 pm »
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had it in mind to go to the gym tonight to do the rest of the workout but it's 9 PM and i just got home after starting work at 7:30 AM. and i have a call in 5-10 minutes. no gym tonight.

That sucks :(
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3279 on: December 10, 2015, 09:46:03 pm »
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15 minutes before the gym closes and I'm still at work. Quite a week.  :uhcomeon:

EDIT: worked until 11, got home ~11:30, was supposed to have a call at 7:30 this morning (Friday) but I woke up to find the dude had cancelled it overnight, went back to sleep, woke up at 10.

Throat/chest cold continues apace.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2015, 10:11:13 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3280 on: December 12, 2015, 05:25:18 pm »
+1
WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: still dealing with throat/chest cold
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up
included some skater hops, some repeated backboard touches

- DLRVJ x 10
missed a bunch of dunks with the size three soccer ball, made two

- SVJ x 5,5
did not touch rim after second jump of first set

- SL SVJ x 5/leg
could not even touch backboard

- repeated backboard touches x 10,10,10
ugly, turns out this is a learned skill. third set better than first two.

- SVJ x 2

T0ddday suggested that i spend more time jumping and de-emphasize or even remove lifting. still working out what to do but tried this today. legs beat, i'm not conditioned to jump this many times and maybe that's a problem.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3281 on: December 12, 2015, 05:46:23 pm »
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Maybe just utilize only MSEM squats emphasizing bar speed (so minimal fatigue + CNS STIM) and everything else on jumps? 

From my experience, 1 jump session with CNS potentiated from low volume high intensity lifting does me much more good than 3-4 jump sessions with an average CNS

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3282 on: December 12, 2015, 06:45:48 pm »
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^^ x2 ^^

I wouldn't want to lose the benefits of at least one heavy lifting session a week (CNS, hormonal, muscular). I don't see any positive outcome coming from that. I'm all for trying new forms of jump sessions/ explosive lifting but I think you max strength work has always been a positive for you..
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3283 on: December 12, 2015, 07:31:08 pm »
+1
WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: still dealing with throat/chest cold
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up
included some skater hops, some repeated backboard touches

- DLRVJ x 10
missed a bunch of dunks with the size three soccer ball, made two

- SVJ x 5,5
did not touch rim after second jump of first set

- SL SVJ x 5/leg
could not even touch backboard

- repeated backboard touches x 10,10,10
ugly, turns out this is a learned skill. third set better than first two.

- SVJ x 2

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T0ddday suggested that i spend more time jumping and de-emphasize or even remove lifting. still working out what to do but tried this today. legs beat, i'm not conditioned to jump this many times and maybe that's a problem.

de-emphasize sure, but I don't think removing it completely would be a good idea. You still need to be able to express more power in the squat, especially those MSEM singles you are doing. If you could get those singles close to ~2xBW, that would be ideal. Then you attempt to express that power in your jump sessions. If you plan on de-emphasizing it, you could condense it into something like:

- kb swings
- squat (normal or singles)
- dips/pullups superset

Personally though, I think you've been doing pretty good. You've had some great jump sessions lately but you've also had several things get in your way; sickness, not being able to jump, traveling, etc. Being more consistent with the jump sessions would definitely help - and when you're not feeling fresh & ready to jump max, you could do higher volume (shorter rest periods) submax jumps from different angles etc - working on speed of runup, arm swing, really short ground contact etc.


Would you be able to consistently do jump sessions ~3x/week? Seems like you're always getting bumped out of there, which would be a problem if you dropped lifting completely.



Not recommending this but it's one option.. It has a ton of pre-requisites due to the (supramaximal) intensity of the method.

An advanced jump only phase one could employ after strength blocks would be The Shock Method. In order to safely perform it though one needs to be around 2+xBW squat (or preferably 5-10 MSEM singles @ 2xBW), no injuries, very minimal aches, comfortable performing depth jumps from ~30" (for eventually 10 reps), have a target when depth jumping (vertec, markings, jump mat). In a block like this, one could completely stop lifting and still see gains in explosive strength, max strength, reactive strength, etc.

Example Shock Block:
- everything is ~30s rest between reps, 6-10 minutes rest between sets
- 3x/week
- 4 weeks
- following strength block with plenty of jump/shock preparation

Week 1:
- ridiculously comprehensive warmup
- Depth Jumps from 30": 2 x 10
- cool down

Week 2:
- ridiculously comprehensive warmup
- Depth Jumps from 30": 3 x 10
- cool down

Week 3:
- ridiculously comprehensive warmup
- Depth Jumps from 30": 4 x 10
- cool down

Week 4:
- ridiculously comprehensive warmup
- Depth Jumps from 30": 4 x 10
- cool down


There's probably some safer (2d/week shock) variations out there that would benefit us even more.. ie, Mon=Shock, Wed=Jumps, Fri=Shock ..

Here's some old data from when I performed shock when I shouldn't have, the numbers are pretty sick (I didn't finish it, I wasn't ready for it - verk told me that on his forum & I basically already knew that but wanted to do it anyway): http://adarqui.blogspot.com/2007/11/shock-week-1-day-4.html

Here's two shock articles:
- The actual method, straight from the source: http://www.verkhoshansky.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=bBhPjzgn%2B0A%3D&tabid=92&mid=426
- KellyB article: http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/shockmethods.html
 
I recall Kingfish doing a shock block.



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^^ x2 ^^

I wouldn't want to lose the benefits of at least one heavy lifting session a week (CNS, hormonal, muscular). I don't see any positive outcome coming from that. I'm all for trying new forms of jump sessions/ explosive lifting but I think you max strength work has always been a positive for you..

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #3284 on: December 12, 2015, 10:49:50 pm »
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Not recommending this but it's one option.. It has a ton of pre-requisites due to the (supramaximal) intensity of the method.

An advanced jump only phase one could employ after strength blocks would be The Shock Method. In order to safely perform it though one needs to be around 2+xBW squat (or preferably 5-10 MSEM singles @ 2xBW), no injuries, very minimal aches, comfortable performing depth jumps from ~30" (for eventually 10 reps), have a target when depth jumping (vertec, markings, jump mat). In a block like this, one could completely stop lifting and still see gains in explosive strength, max strength, reactive strength, etc.

Andrew,

I have heard of intense shock method blocks like the one you just talked about and realize that if you are adequately prepared and are able to do shocks at a high enough intensity, you can actually increase maximal strength without doing any weights.  Obviously, these would come in the form of high box (30"+) depth drops+jumps and proficient high speed single leg bounding (are there any other plyo's that have crazy 'shock'?).

1) How long can one go on such a block without weights?  Theoretically from a newbs standpoint (me), it sounds like once you can safely and proficiently do intense shock plyos (high depth drops/jumps or single leg bounding) you "can" stop weight training forever for legs.  Although maximal strength gains may be slower than working with weights, you can still just progressively overload the shock and still get gains in max strength (albeit at a slower rate) without ever having things like explosive strength deficits or lack of high frequency/quality  jumps/sprints, etc...

2) During a "shock method block", would you still use weights purely for a CNS STIM strategy?  Does intense shocks provide STIM as well?  I've read your high frequency depth jump blog and found it interesting.  Maybe you can elaborate a little more on using delayed STIM (exercise now for STIM'ed jump session in ~48 hours) from depth jumps vs MSEM squats?

If shock STIM is as good as low volume high intensity weight room STIM, you can theoretically never go back to the weight room after you can do proficient high intensity shock methods

3) What kind of volume and frequency is needed to produce maximal strength gains in a shock block if using single leg bounding rather than depth jumps?  Looking at your depth jump example, I'm guessing 3x a week of ME single leg bounding at high speed until performance drop off would be sufficient?
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