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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2670 on: September 08, 2014, 09:20:04 am »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2671 on: September 08, 2014, 10:57:07 am »
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I will try and help if it means anything.

Your a skip and run, which is also called high knee drill so emphasis should be placed on high knee and leg cycling, which seems good the way you are doing it.

As for the runs, I looked at the 30m runs slow motion, frame by frame, but it seems you don't extend your knees after the knee drive comes up to parallel they seem a little bent when coming coming down to strike ground. Also the knee seems to be bent when it strikes the ground, while the other leg is cycling under your hips, but it straightens when pushing it from behind in triple extension position, knee drive up is good but a bit shaky when going down striking floor and pawing behind. just my 2 cents or maybe i am wrong.

knees should be locked when you are at standing on one leg while other legs foot is under your hips, which could be causing the stress on the knees as for when the knees are locked, the stress is placed on the quads, i think.

maybe something to look into

below is a video of slow motion sprinting (part to focus is the knees, once the leg starts coming down.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjC1Oim0UQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjC1Oim0UQ</a>


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« Last Edit: September 08, 2014, 10:59:39 am by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

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A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2672 on: September 08, 2014, 11:54:09 am »
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The form isn't that bad. Knees could come up a little higher, could get a little more extension but he's also only doing 30m sprints. Its possible he could stride out better over the next 30m.

That said try doing some b skips LBSS, should help you get the knee up and leg extended

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Rv2pvJJ2M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Rv2pvJJ2M</a>
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2673 on: September 08, 2014, 04:23:46 pm »
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I could never understand the knees high in sprinting, or overstriding on purpose. I simply run the fastest that I can as the body naturally decides to place my legs. I don't think about it. If I were, I would be a mess.
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All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
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All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2674 on: September 08, 2014, 04:26:45 pm »
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Thats the point of drills/trianing Raptor. Focus on form during training and it should come naturally in events/etc.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2675 on: September 08, 2014, 04:34:14 pm »
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I could never understand the knees high in sprinting, or overstriding on purpose. I simply run the fastest that I can as the body naturally decides to place my legs. I don't think about it. If I were, I would be a mess.

lolwut. you know what drills are for.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2676 on: September 08, 2014, 05:06:44 pm »
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Not really... it's still about where your strengths are. The actual max sprint is a totally different thing than just submax drills. The body will default to its natural mechanics that is dependent on strength more than "voluntary form" IMO. However, SOME improvement might arise from some neural patterning that occurs during the drill.
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2677 on: September 08, 2014, 05:18:03 pm »
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I could never understand the knees high in sprinting, or overstriding on purpose. I simply run the fastest that I can as the body naturally decides to place my legs. I don't think about it. If I were, I would be a mess.

I don't think any sprinter purposely runs with the knees high and overstrides on purpose, as chrism said you do drills with high knees and large strides purposely so when you do actually run you just run as fast as you can, while your body takes care of the mechanics.

I also would suggest B skips for knee extension, I really like that drill.
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2678 on: September 08, 2014, 05:42:57 pm »
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ratpor i'm not sure if you're being serious, or if so what your point is. drill work can and does change form over time. otherwise no one would ever be able to learn how to do any physical activity that requires any kind of learned skill. of course people's form will differ, but the idea that doing drills is pointless because your body will always revert to some preexisting default form is not true.

i can throw a frisbee well, even now after not having played in years, because i practiced my form deliberately thousands of times. when i started playing i had a really goofy backhand that would always air-bounce (doesn't matter what that means, just accept that it's bad) but i taught myself to go against my "natural" motion and now my throws do what i want them to do even in the run of a game and at max effort.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2679 on: September 08, 2014, 09:29:56 pm »
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yesterday (in baltimore, strange gyms are harder to jump in):

WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: none
ACHES/INJURIES: left shoulder, toes, left shoulder
MENTAL STATE: okay

- warm up

- jumps x ~25 mins
mostly pretty bad, shoulder was bothering me so i wasn't really reaching. mixed in some depth jumps from a bench on the court.

- superset x 2
-- leg press 320,410 x 10
-- DB RDL 75s,90s x 10

- DP OHP 40s x 10,10

- pull up x 5,5,5,5

- some MB throws

- stretch

pretty bad workout.

tonight:

WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: hamstrings
ACHES/INJURIES: left hip, left toe
MENTAL STATE: okay

- walk x 40 minutes
exaggerated glute contraction on each step.

- lots of stretching and SMR

there is no point in sprinting when my hamstrings are this sore.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2680 on: September 09, 2014, 10:12:39 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: hamstrings, upper quads
ACHES/INJURIES: left toe
MENTAL STATE: okay

- warm up

- DL bound x 5,5
crappy distance, didn't get out to 12y, but first time i've done these in months because of low back fears. no pain. yeehaw.

- strides x 15
sprinting out to 30y and then trying to hit 10-30y in 4-12 strides. submax intensity, nothing max was happening on these hamstrings and with this knee. but i got to like 12.5 strides for 30y.

- stretch

worked late tonight so didn't get to the track until 9ish. the rugby team ended early so the lights went out earlier than usual. hamstrings still sore from the RDLs but they were okay after warm up.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2681 on: September 10, 2014, 10:05:05 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: hamstrings, upper quads
ACHES/INJURIES: toes, left shoulder
MENTAL STATE: good

- warm up

- jumps x 40 mins
mostly a lot of submax stuff, DSVJ, lots of one- and two-step. a few ME three- and four-step but they were not great and my shoulder was displeased. stuck to head-height jumps, trying to get as much of my face over the bottom of the net as possible.

- stretch

still sore from the RDLs on sunday (!). good to get blood flowing and lots of reps in.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2682 on: September 11, 2014, 10:11:03 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: hamstrings and upper quads a tiny bit
ACHES/INJURIES: toes pretty bad, left shoulder, right knee but only once i started trying to sprint
MENTAL STATE: crap, low motivation

- warm up

- bounds and drills

- strides x 2
knee was like, uh-uh. no.

- tons more bounds and drills

- core circuit x 10 mins

- stretch

need to assess and re-evaluate for the fall.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2683 on: September 12, 2014, 02:16:41 am »
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Thinking about stopping sprinting for a bit? If it's giving you weird knee pain then maybe not worth the risk atm.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #2684 on: September 12, 2014, 09:09:30 am »
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Thinking about stopping sprinting for a bit? If it's giving you weird knee pain then maybe not worth the risk atm.

yep that's what i'm thinking.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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