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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #645 on: April 10, 2015, 08:22:10 pm »
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Use creatine also if you're not already doing so.

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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #646 on: April 11, 2015, 10:12:39 am »
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adding sugar doesn't help with muscle growth.

Probably you misunderstood me, as I just remembered from a previous user todddayy or someone else on the other forum i think who recommended whey protein x 80% bw + 20% x bw of maltodextrin or sugar, which does help with muscle growth in some way.

@alestor yes I will be taking creatine as well. On top of that i will be adding milkshake powder, for the sugar.

But taking sugar with creatine helps your body to get the sugar into your muscles. I am referring to the insulin in the sugar, which helps with muscle growth.
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #647 on: April 11, 2015, 10:28:05 am »
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I have to say if you spent a year on your squat and it didn't improve with the numbers you have...its not you. Its your programming. Either you aren't getting enough TUT/volume or aren't pushing yourself hard enough (that includes mental blocks). I know a close friend of mine who is highly unathletic and built all wrong for squatting (he's 6'3 and 165lbs of stick) and he still went from a half body weight squat to near 1.5x BW squat in about 8 months.

I think you are probably right, any advice you can give me.

when i squatted 55kg, I would come up at a crawling pace, that's how hard it was. also a friend of mine I met at the track also suggested it might be my nutrition as after workout, I drink my protein shake and probably 3 hours later have lunch. This is one of my weaknesses getting enough food inside me, hoping that if i eat a mediocre amount would suffice. but that is 2 problems I need to overcome. Probably an hour after workout I will have to make sandwiches.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2015, 10:29:41 am by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #648 on: April 11, 2015, 01:39:09 pm »
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Date: 11/04/2015
BW: ~60kg
Soreness: quads, hamstring
Pains: outer shin of left leg

Warm up:
   a march, skip and run 2 x 20m

Workout
   8 x 34m sprints w/ alternating lead legs w/ strong head wind
     
      - 5.07                             L
      - 5.06                             R
      - 5.32??? :uhcomeon:            L
      - 5.09                             R
      - 5.19                             L
      - 5.22                             R
      - 5.32                             L
      - 5.12                             R

      activation and mobility drills
      foam rolling on outer shin extremely painful
      Bulgarian Split squats / dumbells 3 x 6 @ 16kg kettlebells in each hand
      Single leg Romanian Deadlift 3 x 6 @ 22.5kg dumbells in each hand
     
Cool down
  stretches
  downhill walk 20min

Comment
My warm ups felt good the runs felt fast but for some reason i am always presented with a bad time and at random moments its good, it was a strong head wind, but 5.32 is way off my original times of todays runs, my right leg lead is bad but is more consistent with time then my left lead leg. for the weights i decided to increase the weights, couldn't find 20kg dumbells pair only one available so used 16kg kettle bells the others were over 20kg or under 12kg. the quads felt more engaged this time, the track was also wet from the rain. the RDL's felt good just some balancing issues but good enough.

Rating: 6/10
« Last Edit: April 11, 2015, 01:42:15 pm by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #649 on: April 11, 2015, 02:33:53 pm »
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My advice? Volume, volume, volume. You can't become highly profecient at anything if you don't do it. Go try one of the 5x5 programs and see what happens.

I look at it like this, barring something magical you've probably reached your sprinting and speed limits relative to your strength and reactivity. Thats why you are stalling. To fix that you either have to become more reactive (difficult) or stronger (not as difficult). So focus on some strength while maintaining your sprint volume and efficiency.  Dont be afraid if you gain some BW as long as its lean muscle and not a ton of fat.

If I wanted to get bigger right now, Id probably start squatting 2x a week vs one and add some volume (probably a 4x10 or 5x8 program or similar vs my current 7x3). You gotta grow man, the buddy i referenced earlier added 15lbs of BW during that time span but his relative strength still increased!
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« Reply #650 on: April 13, 2015, 03:00:42 pm »
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My advice? Volume, volume, volume. You can't become highly profecient at anything if you don't do it. Go try one of the 5x5 programs and see what happens.

I look at it like this, barring something magical you've probably reached your sprinting and speed limits relative to your strength and reactivity. Thats why you are stalling. To fix that you either have to become more reactive (difficult) or stronger (not as difficult). So focus on some strength while maintaining your sprint volume and efficiency.  Dont be afraid if you gain some BW as long as its lean muscle and not a ton of fat.

If I wanted to get bigger right now, Id probably start squatting 2x a week vs one and add some volume (probably a 4x10 or 5x8 program or similar vs my current 7x3). You gotta grow man, the buddy i referenced earlier added 15lbs of BW during that time span but his relative strength still increased!

Thanks for that great advice. I will take into account what you said and plan it for the next workout. As i am doing bulgarian split squats and RDL's to increase my relative single leg strength and then probably after 3 months or so I will get back to squatting 2 times a week like you mentioned.

The strange thing is I start at 40kg and then when I get to 55kg it's heavy but I understand now exactly what you mean, I didn't do enough sets, I always do 2-3 sets  :uhhhfacepalm: when i should be doing 4-5 sets of 6-8 reps.

Thanks again
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Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #651 on: April 15, 2015, 12:11:28 pm »
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Date:14/04/2015
Soreness: quads
Pains: outer shin, quads

Warm up
   A march, skip and run 2 x 20m

Workout
   6 x 34m sprints w/ alternating legs
     - 5.00                    L         small head wind for all runs
     - 5.00                    R
     - 5.19???                L
     - 5.03                    R
     - 5.06 (started time early)      L
     - 5.00                    R

   2 x ankle hops
   2 x tuck jumps

   foam rolling outer shin, quads
   
   activation drills and stretching
   
   Bulgarian split squats 3 x 6 @ 22.5kg dumbells each hand
   Single leg romanian deadlift 3 x 6 @ 22.5kg dumbells each hand

   foam rolling

Cool down
  stretches
  downhill walk

Comment:
It was my first ever tough training in terms of weight training, but during the runs, warm up it went fight, but when I did the runs, they felt fast but the third run is always an anomaly, also my quads be very sore after each run, even with 5 min rest between. the quads were painful like a ligament pain rather than a muscular fatigue pain. so i had to stretch quads a lot before running because the quads were painfull. but the timing felt consisten. I was also told to run using the wind as assistance rather than running into a head wind, which I might try for first half of runs and then the other way for second half. the shins became painful after the ankle hops. then during the gym work I remember chrism's advice and tried looking for 20kg dumbell but there was only one, so I went to 22.5kg and it was hard not slow but a struggle for each rep, I was able to do this for the other sets. then when i did the RDL's had pains in my quads doing them, but figured out that i had to get it close to my legs, also grip was wearing out but was able to hold on for the left and right leg, only 4 fingers left on the dumbell when finishing my right leg. when I did the foam rolling, it was extremely painful, especially the outer quads and the shin, but mostly the quads, just soo painful. but it was a tough workout.

Rating: 8/10
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #652 on: April 16, 2015, 11:15:26 pm »
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By the way, sub-11 sec 100m by the end of 2015 is absolute lunacy. Probably one of the dumbest things you've ever said and that's saying something. Try breaking 13 seconds first!

When I have an aim, I aim high regardless of how impossible it may seem, so I can be encourag to work hard. It's only 1/4 way in the year.  I have 8 months to try and get close to my goal.

OK you're right man, 8 months is a long time and I'm sure you'll knock off the 0.425 sec per month required to go from 14.4 FAT to 11.0 FAT.   :pokerface:

Later on I will be increasing the distance to 60m and then probably after focus on my endurance phase of the running, but its on season training now.

Cool, good idea. 60m is a long way after all. It should be plenty of distance to work on your top end speed and speed endurance. Don't rush though, gradually make the distance longer so by the end of the year you might actually run a whole 100m in training. You don't want to build up CNS fatigue too much with all that tonnage you're throwing around in the gym, not to mention all those competitions you'll be doing given it's on-season.

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« Reply #653 on: April 17, 2015, 05:52:18 am »
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Acole, you forgot to add the negative effects of lactic runs ( which is anything above 60m ). We don't want the endurance adaptations to make us slow twitch muscle fiber machines. 35m FTW.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #654 on: April 17, 2015, 11:13:27 am »
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I heard about the CNS fatigue of running 60m 100%. So thanks for the heads up and advice about the cns fatigue have to be careful of that.
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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« Reply #655 on: April 17, 2015, 11:24:24 am »
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I heard about the CNS fatigue of running 60m 100%. So thanks for the heads up and advice about the cns fatigue have to be careful of that.

your powers of sarcasm detection are truly unparalleled.

or you are the most committed, beautifully subtle troll i have ever seen.
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Re: A Journey to Running Fast and Jumping High
« Reply #656 on: April 17, 2015, 11:29:04 am »
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Date: 16/04/2015
Soreness: quads
Aches: quads

Warm up
   a march, skip and run

Workou
   6 x 34m sprints w/ alternating legs, small assisted wind, which would come and go
      - 4.81               L
      - 4.66               R
      - 4.85               L
      - 4.94               R
      - 5.00               L
      - 4.85               R

   foam rolling
   activation and mobility drills
   
   Bulgarian split squats 3 x 6 @ 22.5kg dumbells
   RDL single leg 3 x 6 @ 22.5kg dumbells

Cool down
   stretch
   downhill walk

Comment
It was a nice run a small assisting wind, which changes from no wind to slight wind, it felt nice and controlled, one of the coaches over there gave an article, the guy was stanley madiri, he was training another athlete, didn't comment on my training, he is a well known and revered coach in england. then after the ankle hops and the regular shin pains the foam rolling was not as painful as last time. the bulgarian split squats is getting better, but with the RDL's it is hard to hold on for a while so at the last leg of the last few reps i have only a few reps, my forearms are really sore and tired especially the front part where the veins are. so i was thinking two sets with bare hands and the other sets with gloves. but overall a good session.

Rating: 7/10
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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« Reply #657 on: April 17, 2015, 11:31:57 am »
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or you are the most committed, beautifully subtle troll i have ever seen.

Hah, i've thought of that too.
If he was a troll , he would have been the most perfect one, preserving his hidden identity even after he has succeed, only so he may repeat it again and again.
 


seifullaah73, both me and acole were being sarcastic.
You are exhausting, not only all your planning is totally wrong, but you also won't hear whatever people advice you.
Either you get too defensive or, at best, you apply a couple of the advice elements for a couple of weeks and then roll back to your thing.
That is why after some years of training you are not progressing at all.
Again, if you can, please don't see those lines above as a personal attack but as an intense attempt to get you on the right track.

If i were you, this is the program I would be doing:

Day 1 : Squat : 4x8 , 3 mins between sets
Day 2 : 7 days vertical jump cure routine ( it is abs and glutes and stretch )
Day 3 : Sprints : 2x5x100m , 3-5 mins between sprints, 10 mins between sets.
Day 4 : rest or day 2.
repeat.

ONLY THIS. No accessory, no plyo, no power, no p-chain, no short sprints, no long sprints, nothing, only squat and run 100m.

Not even kidding. Power training at <BW squat strength and acceleration/top speed drills at >14s 100m is a joke. Zero in, build a base, get to 100kg squat and 13s 100m, then we can talk about specificity.

That is my final attempt here, good luck!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

---

it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #658 on: April 17, 2015, 11:32:47 am »
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I heard about the CNS fatigue of running 60m 100%. So thanks for the heads up and advice about the cns fatigue have to be careful of that.

your powers of sarcasm detection are truly unparalleled.

or you are the most committed, beautifully subtle troll i have ever seen.

I could tell he was being sarcastic as none of what he wrote was helpful, so i took one of what he said and pretended it was a real helpful advice and replied thanking for the advice.

or maybe I was ...

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Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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« Reply #659 on: April 17, 2015, 11:41:59 am »
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or you are the most committed, beautifully subtle troll i have ever seen.

Hah, i've thought of that too.
If he was a troll , he would have been the most perfect one, preserving his hidden identity even after he has succeed, only so he may repeat it again and again.
 


seifullaah73, both me and acole were being sarcastic.
You are exhausting, not only all your planning is totally wrong, but you also won't hear whatever people advice you.
Either you get too defensive or, at best, you apply a couple of the advice elements for a couple of weeks and then roll back to your thing.
That is why after some years of training you are not progressing at all.
Again, if you can, please don't see those lines above as a personal attack but as an intense attempt to get you on the right track.

If i were you, this is the program I would be doing:

Day 1 : Squat : 4x8 , 3 mins between sets
Day 2 : 7 days vertical jump cure routine ( it is abs and glutes and stretch )
Day 3 : Sprints : 2x5x100m , 3-5 mins between sprints, 10 mins between sets.
Day 4 : rest or day 2.
repeat.

ONLY THIS. No accessory, no plyo, no power, no p-chain, no short sprints, no long sprints, nothing, only squat and run 100m.

Not even kidding. Power training at <BW squat strength and acceleration/top speed drills at >14s 100m is a joke. Zero in, build a base, get to 100kg squat and 13s 100m, then we can talk about specificity.

That is my final attempt here, good luck!

Thanks for the advice, It's not that I am not listening but I am currently following what my coach has told for a few months to work on my single leg strength and acceleration and after I will go into squatting. That is what i was thinking of try and squat 100kg.

I am hoping progressing in my bulgarian split squat will help with my back squats, which will probably something similar to what you suggested.
I don't take what you said as an attack, I want to give what I am trying a chance.

But after I can do something similar to what you suggested.

what is the 7 day vertical cure thing you mention in your plan
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/