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BTW, a 405 pound squat at 168 is damn impressive for someone who isn't under 5'10.  I'd say a lot more impressive than 200kg for someone in the 180s. 

I think belly fat actually gives some leverage as far as only squatting is concerned. Another story for athleticism.

You think the leverage offsets the extra weight you are carrying?  If so then wrapping some weight around your front would help you squat more as well, that could be tested quite quickly.

LBSS's goal isn't so much to squat more weight while fat, it's to increase his squat weight week in and week out.  It's not necessary to "get fat" to "get strong" as long as your initial bodyfat is not too low getting fatter won't actually lead to more improvement. 

Quote from: LBSS on September 17, 2012, 04:23:52 pm

god damn it, i'm hanging out on the bottom edge of the 175-180 range and not even close to 200kg. must continue pushing squat and gaining fats. what was the heaviest you ever got to?

Why do you think you have to gain fat to get your squat up?  If your bodyfat is high enough you should be able to up your squat while keeping your bodyfat roughly even, in fact it might even be easier this way.

the "gaining fats" thing was a joke at myself. i have been upping my squat while keeping bf roughly even, at least by the eyeball test. and it's not like going from 172 to 182 is even that much weight gain. but i'm vain. so i have to force myself to acknowledge and accept that any weight gain comes with at least a little extra fat -- unless you're on drugs there's no way weight gain is purely lean. weight training and keeping caloric surplus in check skews the ratio of gain in favor of lean tissue. that's what i plan to keep doing.

now if you'll excuse me, i have to go back to making some pork chops and praying that somehow matt ryan and demaryius thomas combine for 80 fantasy points in the second half tonight. it's not looking good.

/hijack (i hope)

Tue 7:00am
Sept 18, 2012

Dynamic warmups - loaded paused rep full squats, continuous sets
Rest Day
[225,275,315+2][365,385+1]
- 345x0

Week 3 Daily Calf Raise Smith - paused reps top/bottom holds
Medium Heavy - Low Sets
- 315lb x40
- 405lb x40
- 315lb x40 x40

Daily BW Dips
Narrow Grip - Full Depth on Bottom, Not locked at Top, Vertical Torso
- x20 x20

Daily Back Work - Standing One-Arm Cable Rows
Mid Pull - Restl
- 100lb x0

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Tue 4:00pm
Sept 18, 2012

Dynamic warmups - loaded paused rep full squats, continuous sets
Rest Day
[225,275,315+2][365,385+1]
- 345x0

Week 3 Daily Calf Raise Smith - paused reps top/bottom holds
Medium Heavy - Low Sets
- 315lb x40
- 405lb x40
- 315lb x40 x40
- 365lb x40

Daily BW Dips
Narrow Grip - Full Depth on Bottom, Not locked at Top, Vertical Torso
- x20 x20 x20 x20

Daily Back Work - Standing One-Arm Cable Rows
Mid Pull - Restl
- 100lb x0

* calf raises - back up set of 315 is not cutting it anymore. will go with 365s now. 405x40 top set is just right. anything over and i will compromise the top ROM holds.
* since my rear delts are still busted, i might i as well do more dips.

Quote from: LBSS on September 17, 2012, 10:13:55 pm

so i have to force myself to acknowledge and accept that any weight gain comes with at least a little extra fat -- unless you're on drugs there's no way weight gain is purely lean.

It's more influenced by where you are in your training than whether or not you are on drugs.  But, I'll agree that your probably advanced enough and lean enough that the caloric surplus necessary to add muscle will also add a bit of fat tissue.  However, I still think that you are at a point where if you are careful you can maintain or even lower your bodyfat as you add muscle to your frame (ie. the mirror test should be getting better as you get stronger). 

i eat fish most of the time and it worked well for bodycomposition.  grilled salmon/salmon belly.. and sardines to change things up. high caffeine also.
 

Thur 4:30pm
Sept 20, 2012

Dynamic warmups - loaded paused rep full squats, continuous sets
Rest Day
[225,275,315+2][365,385+1]
- 345x0

Week 3 Daily Calf Raise Smith - paused reps top/bottom holds
Medium Heavy - Low Sets
- 365lb x40
- 405lb x40
- 385lb x40 x40

Daily BW Dips
Narrow Grip - Full Depth on Bottom, Not locked at Top, Vertical Torso
- x20 x20 x20 x20

Daily Back Work - Standing One-Arm Cable Rows
Mid Pull - Restl
- 100lb x0 rear left delt still broken

Sat 8:30pm
Sept 22, 2012

Dynamic warmups - loaded paused rep full squats, continuous sets
Rest Day
[225,275,315+2][365,385+1]
- 345x0

Week 3 Daily Calf Raise Smith - paused reps top/bottom holds
Medium Heavy - Low Sets
- 365lb x40
- 405lb x40
- 385lb x40
- 365lb x40

Daily BW Dips
Narrow Grip - Full Depth on Bottom, Not locked at Top, Vertical Torso
- x20 x20 x20 x20

Daily Back Work - Standing One-Arm Cable Rows
Mid Pull - Rest
- 100lb x0 rear left delt still broken

* i'm surprised that my left rear delt is still not fully recovered. its not being strained while i'm doing my dips. i was actually feeling very strong with these deep full ROM BW dips. i could have done 30reps again but learning from my previous right small inner chest muscle strain from doing 30rep dips not too long ago, better stop at 20 or whatever rep where im still not completely fatigued.

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Sat 5:00pm
Sept 22, 2012

Dynamic warmups - loaded paused rep full squats, continuous sets
Rest Day
[225,275,315+2][365,385,405+1]
- 345x0

Week 3 Daily Calf Raise Smith - paused reps top/bottom holds
Medium Heavy - Low Sets
- 365lb x0
- 405lb x0
- 385lb x0
- 365lb x0

Daily BW Dips*
Narrow Grip - Full Depth on Bottom, Not locked at Top, Vertical Torso
- x20 x20

Daily Back Work - Standing One-Arm Cable Rows
Mid Pull - Rest
- 100lb x0 rear left delt still broken

* used my addidas ironworks2 instead of the romaleos and i probably stressed my back more than i had too with the nikes because that little extra heel of the romaleos appears to be  disadvantageous with my squat form.
* i got 365-385 without much effort and got up to 405.. this is on a saturday after a work night - the weakest day of the week for me. at a BW of 168-170, repeatable paused rep of 405-425 max is an improvement.