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Re: FP's log
« Reply #570 on: October 13, 2017, 02:45:21 pm »
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10/11
Back+Hip flexor doms pretty intense

DL:
205x 5
255x 8, 10+4

PNF x10 mins

10/12
swamped with homework+class, 8 hour sleep deficit :(

10/13
~125-140Y runs - baseball outfield corner to corner (track was occupied)
5 reps all ~19s w/ 2 mins walk back

will do some gym stuff later today

conventional DL:
315x5
335x5
355x5  :personal-record:

deficit DL (4-5" deficit?):
135x10
185x10
205 2x10

SL ham hyperextension:
35 2x8 (ea leg)
40 x8 (ea leg)

SL leg press:
135 3x10 (left only)
270 3x8 (left) - hoping to progress back to half squat and then full squat depending on knee
360 3x8 (right)

gliding ham curls
band assisted natural GHR
couldn't quite get the right setup for either


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Re: FP's log
« Reply #571 on: October 15, 2017, 06:43:43 pm »
+1
10/14
putting together some heavy ass furniture, noticed I was default lifting with my back  :huh: made a conscious effort to get glutes involved, felt a lot harder but more correct

10/15

Planning on going back to triphasic training programming for main lifts, going to focus on isometrics which I kind of skipped last cycle. Will need a few experimenting sessions before I know what I'm doing for sure.

Pause Half Squat:
275 x8
295 3x8

Pause Hang high pull:
205 2x5
185 2x5
this doesn't work as a good paused variation

BB Pause side lunges:
a few sets experimenting: front rack, torso twist etc.
95 2x8
115 3x8 (ea side)

core circuit (90s rests):
-shuffle banded palloff press: x8 ea. side
-side plank w/ leg raise: 15s,25s,25s (L) 30s,25s,23s (R)
-v-ups 3x10

SS:
-Hip hikes: 30 3x12 ea side
-Dead hang pullups: 3x7

skater hop rebounds:
5x8 ea leg

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #572 on: October 16, 2017, 10:08:39 am »
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you've made a few comments about the knee lately, mostly in regards to SL leg press.. seems fairly good though if you can do all of that stuff? hope so.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #573 on: October 17, 2017, 05:58:07 pm »
+2
Yeah knee feeling fine actually, just avoiding deep squats which is likely good for field carryover anyway. Prolly gonna cancel Thursday appt with the doc

10/16

practice: 2 hours
RPE: 5.5
feeling a little more muscly during running and COD but not slow by any means. pretty focused

10/17

AM:
Tennis: 1.5 hours
RPE: 6
rallied a while and then beat my friend pretty handily, 6-3. He is much more skilled vs i am in shape and more athletic. He hadn't played in a while and was trying to hit almost all tough topspin shots. I was hitting tough shots too, just barely clearing the net and tough angles hitting the edges of the court, but not messing with spin almost at all. Managed to hit a few aces too although my serve was extremely inconsistent. Was a fun game

PM:
Gym: 2 hours
RPE: 8.5

Power clean from blocks (knee height):
185 x 5
195 x 5
205 x 2+1
215 x 2+ 1F

Power clean from blocks (mid thigh):
185 3x3

Trap Bar Deadlift:
315 x 5
365 3x5 (assuming bar is 45)

Pause RFD half squat:
225 x8
305 3x8

Sled Pushes (15Y):
Max Resistance x 8,6,8 (5-20s between reps, few mins between sets)

Bomb-ass workout. Last rep of last set of trap bar deads, I went hard mind-muscle mode and focused on lifting with glutes and not collapsing at the back. The rep was much more of a grinder but my back was ramrod straight the entire time  :headbang:

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #574 on: October 18, 2017, 01:08:03 am »
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trap bars are usually 60 pounds, i think.
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Re: FP's log
« Reply #575 on: October 18, 2017, 11:00:54 pm »
+1
trap bars are usually 60 pounds, i think.

I'll have to ask one of the trainers. I'm really digging the trap bar though:
-More athlete specific ROM than deep squats, which I'm not comfortable doing anyway cause of my knee
-Less back involvement than DL, which will always be a problem for me because of my proportions
-Hits the big 3 leg muscles pretty evenly, probably hip flexors too
-Supposedly highly correlated w/ 40 times/VJ , more than squat or DL

10/18

AM:
wakeup quickie: 20 mins
RPE: 4

SS:
-DL 135 x 10
-40Y sprint x 3
-DL 225 x 8
-40Y sprint x 3
-DL 275 x 5

PM:
Practice x 90 mins
RPE: 3

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #576 on: October 20, 2017, 09:49:53 pm »
+1
10/19

PM:
2 hour practice
RPE: 7
lots of running

10/20

AM:
30 min morning workout
RPE: 6

DL 135 x 10
40Y sprints x 3
DL 225 x 8
40Y sprints x 2

So I'm coming to realize that the quad-dominant running I naturally gravitate to is much faster than the "perfect top speed mechanics" I try to force myself to do. It's mostly just a matter of stride frequency, I feel like when I have a strong forward lean I can move my legs so much faster and still get decent stride length. Will shoot video at some point comparing the two.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #577 on: October 21, 2017, 04:50:29 pm »
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10/19

PM:
2 hour practice
RPE: 7
lots of running

10/20

AM:
30 min morning workout
RPE: 6

DL 135 x 10
40Y sprints x 3
DL 225 x 8
40Y sprints x 2

So I'm coming to realize that the quad-dominant running I naturally gravitate to is much faster than the "perfect top speed mechanics" I try to force myself to do. It's mostly just a matter of stride frequency, I feel like when I have a strong forward lean I can move my legs so much faster and still get decent stride length. Will shoot video at some point comparing the two.

i'm definitely very interested to see how this unfolds. i've been on about that alot lately, the *potentially* detrimental signals we generate consciously, ie the "mechanical override" stuff.

keep us posted on this! also curious about the video etc.

also just for clarification: your comment about the strong forward lean .. the strong forward lean "form" is your more quad dominant form? the more upright form with "perfect top speed mechanics" is your more p-chain dominant form?

if so, then in your upright form you are just really trying to consciously pull more - sacrificing stride freq, but with your lean, you are just turning over faster, more naturally?

ie, the "perfect top speed mechanics" + "pull signal" are adding extra latency between each stride, ie slowing down your stride freq.. But when you simply focus on lean, or let it happen naturally (?), there's less noise, thus more efficiency.

that's just how I perceived it.

^^ are you forcing the lean or does it just happen naturally?

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #578 on: October 21, 2017, 07:51:25 pm »
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That is all completely correct. I'm kind of forcing the lean but I think I'm still kind of looking for my optimal sprint technique because I wasn't able to sprint during the initial 4 months after my pcl tear and I did a very high amount of hip flexor strengthening, a muscle I hadn't really worked as an isolated muscle group before. I'm still kind of transitioning from "weight room mode" to "ultimate frisbee mode", so it kind of makes sense that my body is still sort of looking for the ideal running form. I believe the "upright pull running" was the form I was the fastest with before my injury, but maybe now it's different. Will look to test soon.

One disadvantage to the "quad dominant high stride freq" running is I can't breathe properly with it and if I really want the fastest time I think I hold my breath. It is much more exhausting on my lungs and I believe because I'm using less of that sort of reactive plyometric bounce that I would be in upright running it is also much more taxing on the muscles.

10/21
Tourney day 1
3 games, 15-1, 11-14, 14-10. 2w 1l. Kinda don't wanna talk about it until day 2. I think I've got 9 assists, 1 goal

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #579 on: October 22, 2017, 10:16:53 pm »
+2
10/22
Tourney day 2
I'm not going to put up scores because we were playing developmental lines. I asked to be switched to an O-line handler which is what I played the entire second day. There's a lot to say but just a quick rundown of the weekend

The good:
- 6 offensive layouts to save bad throws, all caught
- 4/5 completed hucks day 2, including a full field (70Y backhand)
- 3 layout D's - 1 shoulder height, 1 playing regular defense, 1 poach into the cutting lane
- last game - no throwaways O-line handling
- no drops the entire weekend

The bad:
Second to last game, score is 11-12, we are down. I get a D, we move the disc all the way to the endzone. On the goal line, I throw a crazy risky full extension around backhand which gets D'ed. Turnover, other team calls time out. Hard cap goes off, meaning 90 mins have passed and we have to score the point to not lose. I'm on their best cutter, who books it deep. Throw goes off, I am playing the guy and not the disc, end up out of position about to get scored on but go for some crazy over the shoulder bid that I had no play on whatsoever and essentially tackle this kid, landing on his ankle and could have seriously injured him. Uncontested foul, they get the disc at the goal line. A few throws later they score and we lose.

Not only did I lose the game for the team but that kid could have been out for the rest of the season.

The other sort of bad thing was my defensive footwork, got juked out quite a few times. Ended up almost toppled over from balance loss a few times too, which seems to happen when I get too low in my athletic stance.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #580 on: October 23, 2017, 10:18:03 am »
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That is all completely correct.

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I'm kind of forcing the lean but I think I'm still kind of looking for my optimal sprint technique because I wasn't able to sprint during the initial 4 months after my pcl tear and I did a very high amount of hip flexor strengthening, a muscle I hadn't really worked as an isolated muscle group before. I'm still kind of transitioning from "weight room mode" to "ultimate frisbee mode", so it kind of makes sense that my body is still sort of looking for the ideal running form. I believe the "upright pull running" was the form I was the fastest with before my injury, but maybe now it's different. Will look to test soon.

One disadvantage to the "quad dominant high stride freq" running is I can't breathe properly with it and if I really want the fastest time I think I hold my breath. It is much more exhausting on my lungs and I believe because I'm using less of that sort of reactive plyometric bounce that I would be in upright running it is also much more taxing on the muscles.

to me, the breathing issue is just to you getting used to the different cadence etc.. I mean, it sounds like you are thinking about your breathing too, which is definitely going to impact it. If you train using this "faster & potentially more natural form" for a little bit, you'll probably forget about how you're breathing, and it'll feel natural.

i mean it's just like in slower running too .. people running @ 170 SPM, trying to figure out 180 SPM, they are thinking about all kinds of different things .. but eventually they settle into it after a few weeks or months of training, then they forget about all of those details and just do it.

I think fatigue helps also .. one way to not think about much, is to hold back a bit and perform more reps with a bit shorter rest, just don't even give your brain much to think about other than focusing on completing the next rep etc.

I sometimes laugh at how much I think early on in a workout, and then by the middle to end i'm not thinking about anything other than trying to hit my goal. lmao.

I'm not sure about less plyometric bounce. I imagine it's still pretty similar, except you might be getting a bit more absorption from the quads. Regardless, if your stride freq is going up and your speed is improving, i'd say that in itself implies more "bounce", just not the kind of "bounding bounce" you get from a bound or increasing stride length dramatically, but that's just more air time. If the goal is linear speed, there's a point where that air time becomes detrimental, which could be what was happening with your more upright + longer stride length form.

IMHO, if you are faster with this technique - actually faster not faster by feel, i'd stick with it for a bit and see what happens. Try to ignore things like breathing etc.. Obviously you'll be thinking about it but just tell your brain to "F OFF" and try to just get those thoughts out of there.. you really just want your body to kick in and do everything for you, the "motor programming loop" is faster & more efficient that way.

my 2cents.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #581 on: October 24, 2017, 06:13:42 pm »
+5



First photo is a little misleading, actually bounced out of my hand. Layout out of a full sprint. Was maybe 1-3 inches away from catching it.
Second photo I boxed the guy out while jumping so that's why my jump trajectory is a little wonky.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #582 on: October 25, 2017, 12:57:23 am »
+2
sick height on the layout.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #583 on: October 28, 2017, 09:25:40 pm »
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Pretty much took the week off because of:
-hip flexor strain - pretty much completely healed
-rotator cuff very janky - mostly healed but this has been a chronic issue
-possible wrist fracture (moderate pain when touching palm bone/scaphoid) - slight improvement

Needed a deload week anyway, although I had it planned for next week.

10/29
Team track workout

400m, 400m jog recovery
300m, 300m jog x2
200m, 200m jog x3

5 mins rest

100m, 100m jog recovery x4
50m x8, walkback recovery

My acceleration on the 50's pretty much blew everyone out of the water. The 200s were pretty good, 300s and 400s not so great
Also I'm the only one that had to stop and stoop over in between the 50's, and my arms felt very fatigued. I was going like 95% for most of them. Also kind of hunching at the neck during the jog back recovery on the 200's. These are all definite signals that my upper body is not keeping up with my legs and next strength cycle uppers will be higher priority.
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Re: FP's log
« Reply #584 on: October 29, 2017, 11:38:39 pm »
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10/30
GYM

Power clean from blocks (above knee):
185 2x5
205 2x3
215 x2, 1F

Power clean from blocks (3/4 of the way up the thigh):
185 xF,F,F,F
155 x3
165 x2,5

Trap bar DL (bar is 55):
325 x5
395 x3,3,3

Paused half squat:
295 3x8 (shit, wrong weight)
315 x8

Captains chair (60s rest):
x35, 35, 17 lol

15 mins stretches