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« Reply #480 on: July 21, 2017, 07:34:57 pm »
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Alright, that seems like good cardio advice that I'll follow. Do you know good references for learning about aerobic training ? I hate most cardio articles cause they can be both basic as shit and inaccurate.

7/21 strength maintenance

Squat:
315 2x5
325 x5

Sumo DL RFD singles (30s rests):
315 12x1
315 4x1 (losing bar speed)

SL-RDL (wobbly):
L (2" rack): 175 6, 6, 3+2
R: 175 x 4+2, 6, 6

10 mins rolling
 
Low on time, focus really off, headache, feeling weird fatigue
Lumbar have been feeling pretty questionable since I did 355 3x5 w/ pretty bad sumo form a little while back so I dropped intensity/volume for sumo today

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #481 on: July 23, 2017, 06:33:29 pm »
+1
7/21 (cont)
cals: 2500

50 min jog

7/22
BW: 192.5
cals: 3200

throws x 120 mins

7/23
cals:

throws x 80 mins

So I went to the tourney as a spectator. We lost all the important games, team has a lot to work on.
This week I'll focus on getting an anaerobic baseline, power training, some jumps and attending pickup games. Was saving my anaerobic phase for last but I need to have some sport specific endurance ASAP.
The problem is this is all joint intensive, have to be extra careful to avoid injury at all cost.

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #482 on: July 24, 2017, 11:40:56 pm »
+1
7/23 (cont)
cals:2100

7/24
cals:2600

30 min jog @ 8:30 -8:45 mile pace - 8:30 was supposed to be low intensity pace but I ended up naturally gravitating down to 8:45 pace. Still easy but kind of disappointing

Crossover step starts, 25Y accelerations x10
Sprint mechanics drills x 30 mins

Back was feeling a little achy after the sprint mechanics stuff. I think I strengthened my hip flexors so much that my weak link is now my isometric back strength. My iso strength from squats/deadlifts isn't carrying over because it's a slow, prolonged contraction, as opposed to sprinting where your back needs to go from 0-100 contraction in a fraction of a second. THOSE DYNAMIC ISOMETRICS SHOULD HELP. I dont know why I'm still not doing isos, fuck.


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Re: FP's log
« Reply #483 on: July 25, 2017, 07:43:39 pm »
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7/24 (cont)
BW: 188.5 (hasn't been lower than 190 in over a month, so this is great. Probably water weight though, can't imagine this much progress in such a short time)

7/25

.5 mile jog
dynamic warmup

400m 2x4 (120s between reps, 10 mins between sets):
set 1: 1:21, 1:20, 1:19, 1:17
set 2: 1:19, 1:19, 1:22, 1:20
RPE: 7

20 mins elliptical cardio @ 130 HR
60 mins elliptical cardio @ 140 HR

Bench: 175 3x5

SS:
-Pullups: 7, 7, 8, 7
-Traps: 180 4x12

Standing behind the head OHP: 85 x 8,8,6

RFD Pushups (90s rests): 15, 15, 12, 8 (what a dropoff. wow.)

Nautilus Rows (60s rests): 90x12, 140x10, 180x8, 230x8,7

Stretches x 10 mins

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #484 on: July 25, 2017, 07:58:57 pm »
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7/23 (cont)
cals:2100

7/24
cals:2600

30 min jog @ 8:30 -8:45 mile pace - 8:30 was supposed to be low intensity pace but I ended up naturally gravitating down to 8:45 pace. Still easy but kind of disappointing

nice, but why disappointing? disappointing because you wanted 8:30 but ended up doing 8:45, meaning you feel a bit less conditioned than you want? wondering.

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Crossover step starts, 25Y accelerations x10
Sprint mechanics drills x 30 mins

make sure you have a deliberate transition from prolonged slow-distance to high velocity work. work yourself into it almost like you need to "warmup" (even though you're now warmed up good) into the higher velocity movements. not sure if you do that, but i've found that going "slow" for a while, just needs a little work up to higher velocity stuff, almost like you're telling your brain that we're going to shift gears so get on board - and it will since you shouldn't be dead at all.

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Back was feeling a little achy after the sprint mechanics stuff. I think I strengthened my hip flexors so much that my weak link is now my isometric back strength. My iso strength from squats/deadlifts isn't carrying over because it's a slow, prolonged contraction, as opposed to sprinting where your back needs to go from 0-100 contraction in a fraction of a second. THOSE DYNAMIC ISOMETRICS SHOULD HELP. I dont know why I'm still not doing isos, fuck.

which isos? link?

pC!

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #485 on: July 25, 2017, 09:21:48 pm »
+1
7/23 (cont)
cals:2100

7/24
cals:2600

30 min jog @ 8:30 -8:45 mile pace - 8:30 was supposed to be low intensity pace but I ended up naturally gravitating down to 8:45 pace. Still easy but kind of disappointing

nice, but why disappointing? disappointing because you wanted 8:30 but ended up doing 8:45, meaning you feel a bit less conditioned than you want? wondering.

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Crossover step starts, 25Y accelerations x10
Sprint mechanics drills x 30 mins

make sure you have a deliberate transition from prolonged slow-distance to high velocity work. work yourself into it almost like you need to "warmup" (even though you're now warmed up good) into the higher velocity movements. not sure if you do that, but i've found that going "slow" for a while, just needs a little work up to higher velocity stuff, almost like you're telling your brain that we're going to shift gears so get on board - and it will since you shouldn't be dead at all.

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Back was feeling a little achy after the sprint mechanics stuff. I think I strengthened my hip flexors so much that my weak link is now my isometric back strength. My iso strength from squats/deadlifts isn't carrying over because it's a slow, prolonged contraction, as opposed to sprinting where your back needs to go from 0-100 contraction in a fraction of a second. THOSE DYNAMIC ISOMETRICS SHOULD HELP. I dont know why I'm still not doing isos, fuck.

which isos? link?

pC!

Disappointed cause I thought I was in better shape and could bust out 8:30/ 3.5miles  as my comfort pace. Comparing the RPE to my 140 HR elliptical today, I think my HR during this run was like 155-160. Although the elliptical HR sensor was really janky and kept giving me incorrect readings..

Good looking out on the endurance->sprint transition. A few days ago I had a 40 min run and at the end I did a few sprints: and they just felt so fast, flexible, bouncy and effortless, even though It was during a moderate pace endurance run, it was amazing. I get runners high sometimes, but it doesn't usually feel like that. Was trying to repeat it but no such luck.

The Isos: I'm just going to be replicating change of direction, hip hyperextension, accelaration, bottom of SVJ joint angles against an immovable resistance, just following the guidelines in Triphasic training. For the back to carry over to sprints I was going to try to do a prone back hyperextension with a very heavy (immovable) barbell over my shoulders.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2017, 09:23:23 pm by Final Phenom »

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #486 on: July 25, 2017, 09:54:11 pm »
+1
7/23 (cont)
cals:2100

7/24
cals:2600

30 min jog @ 8:30 -8:45 mile pace - 8:30 was supposed to be low intensity pace but I ended up naturally gravitating down to 8:45 pace. Still easy but kind of disappointing

nice, but why disappointing? disappointing because you wanted 8:30 but ended up doing 8:45, meaning you feel a bit less conditioned than you want? wondering.

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Crossover step starts, 25Y accelerations x10
Sprint mechanics drills x 30 mins

make sure you have a deliberate transition from prolonged slow-distance to high velocity work. work yourself into it almost like you need to "warmup" (even though you're now warmed up good) into the higher velocity movements. not sure if you do that, but i've found that going "slow" for a while, just needs a little work up to higher velocity stuff, almost like you're telling your brain that we're going to shift gears so get on board - and it will since you shouldn't be dead at all.

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Back was feeling a little achy after the sprint mechanics stuff. I think I strengthened my hip flexors so much that my weak link is now my isometric back strength. My iso strength from squats/deadlifts isn't carrying over because it's a slow, prolonged contraction, as opposed to sprinting where your back needs to go from 0-100 contraction in a fraction of a second. THOSE DYNAMIC ISOMETRICS SHOULD HELP. I dont know why I'm still not doing isos, fuck.

which isos? link?

pC!

Disappointed cause I thought I was in better shape and could bust out 8:30/ 3.5miles  as my comfort pace. Comparing the RPE to my 140 HR elliptical today, I think my HR during this run was like 155-160. Although the elliptical HR sensor was really janky and kept giving me incorrect readings..

ah.. all good though, these initial gains come quick.

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Good looking out on the endurance->sprint transition. A few days ago I had a 40 min run and at the end I did a few sprints: and they just felt so fast, flexible, bouncy and effortless, even though It was during a moderate pace endurance run, it was amazing. I get runners high sometimes, but it doesn't usually feel like that. Was trying to repeat it but no such luck.

hah nice. ya i've felt that too after light distance work. it's like the holy grail of training, wish we could just achieve that every time. :ninja:

imho, it's surprising initially how good one feels after some < 1 hour light cardio work, with subsequent lifting or even speed work. For speed work, i'd keep it more towards ~30 minutes if you're going to put it before.. but for lifting, literally could go near an hour, 30, 45, or 60 min.. and still feel fine. i'd keep it at 30-45 for now but even 60 is possible.

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The Isos: I'm just going to be replicating change of direction, hip hyperextension, accelaration, bottom of SVJ joint angles against an immovable resistance, just following the guidelines in Triphasic training. For the back to carry over to sprints I was going to try to do a prone back hyperextension with a very heavy (immovable) barbell over my shoulders.

ah cool. i've tried & prescribed isos, the most effective ones have always seemed to be yielding instead of overcoming. also for me personally, overcoming is just too risky, i push things too hard and those can get really intense.

some long yielding isos i've loved:
- hamstrings/back: 45 degree hyper holds with db's or barbell at the top (iso extension stim came from this too)
- for grip: assisted crush with off hand, then try and maintain while being forced to release
- on the fence with this one, but not being able to do it has always been a bad sign for me: single leg side bridge with off leg abducted (this ex is nuts)

partial holds (5-10s):
- pretty much everything can be utilized with a pause: seen some crazy results with pause bench, pause lunge/BSS, most BW variations (pause dips/pushups/pullups)

one quasi-overcoming iso could be TKE's for VMO.. I mean, haven't seen anything like that with other joints, ie, if i did something like that with my elbow extension i imagine i'd wreck it and get some kind of tendonitis.

one weird overcoming ISO I experienced was with "nail bending", that iso until you can bend it.. pretty crazy. I sucked at it but I had that ironmind nail set & some home depot based nails, could bend the easier ones.

i'm really awful at overcoming iso abilities.. kinda interesting. been so my entire life. the best example of it, is arm wrestling. pretty sure i'd get wrecked by anyone.

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« Reply #487 on: July 26, 2017, 04:35:51 pm »
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What I tried in regards to ISO's and worked wonders for my jumping ability was this weird exercise I came up with: It's basically when you are standing you lift one foot up and then violently «push» it in to the ground on the balls of your foot with your leg bent at about the same angle like you would jump and then hold this contraction for a short time, release and repeat for 5 reps or so. You could say it's a kind of overcoming iso but with a fast contraction rather than building it up slowly. It sounds very weird but it teached me to fire my muscles quickly and absorb force more efficiently. I was not doing any strength work at that time but was jumping the highest I ever had.

Edit: I don't know if any of these makes any sense but it would be interesting if this makes any sense but I feel like this «technique» can be applied to various different joint angles and muscles.
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« Reply #488 on: July 27, 2017, 11:01:40 am »
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The Isos: I'm just going to be replicating change of direction, hip hyperextension, accelaration, bottom of SVJ joint angles against an immovable resistance, just following the guidelines in Triphasic training. For the back to carry over to sprints I was going to try to do a prone back hyperextension with a very heavy (immovable) barbell over my shoulders.

ah cool. i've tried & prescribed isos, the most effective ones have always seemed to be yielding instead of overcoming. also for me personally, overcoming is just too risky, i push things too hard and those can get really intense.

some long yielding isos i've loved:
- hamstrings/back: 45 degree hyper holds with db's or barbell at the top (iso extension stim came from this too)
- for grip: assisted crush with off hand, then try and maintain while being forced to release
- on the fence with this one, but not being able to do it has always been a bad sign for me: single leg side bridge with off leg abducted (this ex is nuts)

partial holds (5-10s):
- pretty much everything can be utilized with a pause: seen some crazy results with pause bench, pause lunge/BSS, most BW variations (pause dips/pushups/pullups)

one quasi-overcoming iso could be TKE's for VMO.. I mean, haven't seen anything like that with other joints, ie, if i did something like that with my elbow extension i imagine i'd wreck it and get some kind of tendonitis.

one weird overcoming ISO I experienced was with "nail bending", that iso until you can bend it.. pretty crazy. I sucked at it but I had that ironmind nail set & some home depot based nails, could bend the easier ones.

i'm really awful at overcoming iso abilities.. kinda interesting. been so my entire life. the best example of it, is arm wrestling. pretty sure i'd get wrecked by anyone.

I remember the GHR stim iso! I tried using it once to peak for jumps back when I had no gym membership/GHR machine. Needless to say the ghetto BW version didn't work lol. I do the side bridges as part of my glutivation warmup for lower body, they are pretty similar to monster band walks I think.

I've been lagging on my gym work, pause 3/4 squat, pause BSS are definitely things I want to do, and should be doing in my current cycle. \

What I tried in regards to ISO's and worked wonders for my jumping ability was this weird exercise I came up with: It's basically when you are standing you lift one foot up and then violently «push» it in to the ground on the balls of your foot with your leg bent at about the same angle like you would jump and then hold this contraction for a short time, release and repeat for 5 reps or so. You could say it's a kind of overcoming iso but with a fast contraction rather than building it up slowly. It sounds very weird but it teached me to fire my muscles quickly and absorb force more efficiently. I was not doing any strength work at that time but was jumping the highest I ever had.

Edit: I don't know if any of these makes any sense but it would be interesting if this makes any sense but I feel like this «technique» can be applied to various different joint angles and muscles.


I'll throw it in if I ever get around to doing this iso workout.. Actually could you try paraphrasing the description of the eexrcise? I'm not sure I understood it correctly

FP, is upper cross syndrome AKA kyphosis?

Yeah. I'm not sure if this is right but upper cross is talking about neck and shoulders both forward, kyphosis is just neck forward. I think the neck forward is harder to fix than the shoulders forward cause it has to do with your spine. Thinking about seeing a chiropractor, actually.

« Last Edit: July 27, 2017, 11:04:08 am by Final Phenom »

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Re: FP's log
« Reply #489 on: July 27, 2017, 11:11:44 am »
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7/25
cals: 2700

7/26
30 mins hip SMR
33 min jog (8:45ish pace)
cals: 3000

7/27
BW: 187.5 (PR)
30 min jog (9:00is pace)

So I did my jog immediately after waking up and then weighed myself: First of all for the pace I was going, the jog felt really hard. Definitely no more "easy" jogs on an empty stomach. But that's a 1lb loss in 2 days.. My metabolism must be through the roof. Seems kind of dangerous actually, need to up the gym work so I'm not losing a lot of mass. Also been taking CLA 3x a day, Green tea extract 2x a day

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« Reply #490 on: July 28, 2017, 11:25:39 pm »
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7/27 (continued)
cals:3100
2.5 hour pickup, didn't go to hard, knees and hips both kind of achy afterwards still need to ease into it. Also, minor tweak on injured knee on change of direction. So the brace isn't a final solution, might have just slid out of position though.

7/28:
Hang power clean x5
squat 225 x5
back actually kind of fucked. didn't want to waste the gym trip so did upper body/cardio/stretches
Bench 175 3x5, 2s pause 155x5, 145x5
Flys (60s rests): 25's 4x8

Hip stretches x 25 mins

Pullups x 7,7,8,9 (probably easier due to weight loss)
Rows (60s rests): 60 x 8,8,8,7

Seated behind the head BB OHP: 85 x8, 95 x8,7 85x6
Bent over flys (60s rests): 12.5s x12,10, 10s x12,12

30 min treadmill @ 8:40 pace: lots of sweat but easy breathing

Thinking about trying keto diet.. Paleo and Mediterranean were the diets I thought were really good before, so this is the natural progression

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« Reply #491 on: July 29, 2017, 10:36:55 pm »
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7/29
1 hr pickup
30 mins throws
1 hr spikeball

Back most definitely not feeling good. Gonna hit the rolling/stretching hard tomorrow, extended low intensity jog, maybe see a doctor to get a referral for chiropractor (neck) and podiatrist (toes)

Broke a 35 day nofap streak which is a bit demoralizing. Was feeling kind of zoned out/mental fog during spikeball which I don't remember in recent times almost definitely related to relapse

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« Reply #492 on: July 31, 2017, 12:41:16 am »
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Another regression day in terms of self improvement

7/30

morning: 30 mins back rolling

evening:
20 mins rolling/stretches

Squat:
315x3,
325x3,
335 2x3 back felt fine during sets, not too hot after. Good to see my squat strength hasn't decreased. Is this ok for maintenance?

Another day of brolifting since I can't do much else.

BP
135 x8
185 3x3
2s pause 145 2x5

SS:
-Bent over reverse Flys: 10s 4x10
-Decline bench: 6 sets up to 155 2x5

SS:
-Pullups: BWx8, +20 x 5,4,4
-Triceps pull down: 50 4x7 short rest

SS:
BTH seated OHP: 85 3x6
Curls: 25s 3x10 short rests

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« Reply #493 on: August 01, 2017, 09:48:22 pm »
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7/31
30 mins rolling
30 mins throwing
1 hr endurance jog

8/1
45 mins rolling
20 mins stretching
4x400m: 1:19,1:19, 1:22, 1:27 (i attribute this to poor carb loading)

threw down a few dunks.. good to know my jump is still decent. Probably 33"-34" DLRVJ, which has become pretty standard. 3-step R-SLRVJ is near PR level which is pretty shocking: 31-32".

back is not improving. Going to take a full week off only leaving in upper body, stretches, rolling. Once my back is better I'll ease into plyos, jumps and sprints. My power phase is really taking a hit from suboptimal organization/injury, hopefully i can still make it work

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« Reply #494 on: August 03, 2017, 02:13:42 am »
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8/2
BW: 187.8

Planned to do some isolation lower body but stopped after BSS cause of back.. back to upper body

My back issue: my left QL area tightens up and becomes painful when I do most leg lifting. Erring on the side of caution for a little while with the endurance runs.

5 mins rolling
15 mins glutivation

BSS: 60's x8, 70's x8

BP (2s pause):
155 4x5, 8F

Flys (60s rests):
25's 3x10

20 mins leg stretches

SS:
-Pullups: 9, 9, 8
-Bent over reverse flys: 10s x 12,12,12,8

Nautilus rows (90 rests): 180 3x8

Behind the head OHP: 85 x8, 95 x8,8,7

+8 hours

45 min ISO change of direction workout

So it doesn't look like the COD isos bother my back, but the acceleration and top speed isos seem to irritate it.
Iso workout went pretty well, could be a lot more efficient and also I noticed my hips fire late (after the knee) in some of the movements, which can definitely be improved. Next iso workout gonna start with glutivation