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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1770 on: April 21, 2014, 03:24:55 am »
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Not sure what my training will look like now. I dont really feel like going back into my usual squatting obsession. I do wish i was maintaining a semi-respectable squat though. Like 150kg bs and 140kg fs, but i really can't be bothered going thru the months and months of hard work it will take to get that back. And i'll probably be unable to play ball or do much conditioning, or have fun. So over squatting. So over lifting. Idk. Any ideas what to do for training?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1771 on: April 21, 2014, 04:43:15 am »
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Sprinting and bounding, bilaterally and unilaterally. Specific lifts (half squats, glute ham raises).
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1772 on: April 21, 2014, 05:24:03 am »
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A little n=1 broscience  about PF:
Post game is very much mental. Of course you need very good aerobic AND anaerobic endurance to go up and down the court and when you stop running start pushing, and then jump max and then run again bla bla bla. But the pushing part is mental. You reach a body state (LBM&lifts combination) that you consider yourself strong. Then you are not intimidated whatever you see as your matchup. My personal broscience formula is that when i feel i am at that strong phase (which is above 90kg and being at PR levels in all upper lifts ) , i can deal with guys 10cm taller / 10kg heavier. I am talking guys that are at least your height and weight. Shorter or lighter dont stand a chance. It works as a sum too, whatever is under 20 , you got it. 5 cm taller and 7kg heavier? Total = 12, you got it. As the sum approaches 20 it gets too hard. Above it you most probably dont stand a chance. Also, when one of the numbers gets above 10, it gets tricky, he is too tall or too big. So same height but 15kg heavier, sum is 0+15 = 15. Below 20 but still, he is too big. 10/10 is the number. :D
Woah, it was a relief to finally share this secret stupid formula!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1773 on: April 21, 2014, 07:40:40 am »
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Sprinting and bounding, bilaterally and unilaterally. Specific lifts (half squats, glute ham raises).

Sketch me a simple workout. I'll give it a week or two, if it's doing good things for me i'll keep it up.

Vag lol, bro you overthink it, and that says something coming from me :)

I dont care what someone weighs or how tall they are, i just wanna be built like a bear and just overpower them in the post. plus i know now that even if i weigh 100kg i can still dunk. So i just need to make sure at my heaviest strong/powerful weight, i have a)excellent fitness/conditioing to still run the floor and b)maintain my dunking ability. If i can do those things while being strong and reasonably lean, i'll be happy. And need to drill the shit out of post moves. As in against a real person, a big strong one preferably who makes me work hard.

I want to try a basic hypertrophy approach to this too. I've never had much out of pure strength training even though, that's what i've always done. Have to see wht i can get out of higher reps and sets. But before that happens, need to get back to some basic strength levels and be lean enough to start a decent bulk. So this is basically how i'll go about it.....

1. Get my bodyfat down to 10% or so;
2. Concurrently with 1, get my lifts back to 140/150/160 (fs,bs,bbs)
3. bulk with hypertrophy focus
4. harvest gains with strength focus
5. cut and maintain strength and mass (aiming for 160/180/190 fs,bs,bbs)

And throughout this, maintain my fitness/conditioning and KEEP WORKING ON MY GAME. Not starting from scratch again like i did this time around.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2014, 08:02:39 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1774 on: April 24, 2014, 01:02:07 pm »
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I trained today, just basketball stuff. I wont bother logging it in detail. We did the 3-2-1 drill and some others i dont remember properly. I haven't lifted weights for like 10 days.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1775 on: April 26, 2014, 03:59:45 am »
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Re: the shoe discussion on ChrisM's progress log



No love for the KDs? I am seeing them around quite a bit. It's a good thing lightweight lowtops are taking over. I hope this trend continues. These shoes look sick but i have no idea how well they perform. Maybe it just looks that way but they seem a bit flat, as in not much heel? That seems odd, you prob don't get as much quad or whatever, maybe it's just an illusion. The other thing is, they appear narrow which wont really suit.  I'd like to try them out and see if i can jump/run/play well in them. Maybe i'll pick up a pair. Always looking for a good shoe though, haven't found one yet.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 04:01:20 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1776 on: April 26, 2014, 05:55:47 am »
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^Good shoe. I wouldn't choose it as an all-around training ( plyos / sprints / dunks / random pickups ) shoe, i would as a court bball shoe though. It is the max air that breaks the deal for me, it is more oriented towards comfort than responsiveness. Which is a con for ME jumping day at your park but a pro for endless landings in a game. Also, from personal and friends experience, that exposed max air unit is very vulnerable, it just pops and then the shoe is useless. To be fair, the toes have zoom underneath, so i guess it depends, if you are on your toes all the time ( which you should be ) it may work better. But if you are still more flatfooted the max air might screw responsiveness up. To be more fair, the reviews say it is a good bball shoe overall. Light, comfortable, good court feel, tight fit. Supposedly it has some ventilation and arch fit issues but those are minor. Last but not least, it has traction issues too. Traction is not bad but it is not great either. Why do they dump the herringbone and try stylish shit on signature models? Looks over performance, even on the sole??? duh!
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1777 on: April 26, 2014, 06:34:10 am »
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Good info. I didn't realise the context was a generalist shoe. Though i'm not sure I would go for such a shoe if one existed! I would like a shoe for the gym, a shoe for general jumping/dunking, a shoe for game time and so on. For training i'd even just jump in the shoe that's not that great, heavier or clumsier, just so you get more training effect out of it. But i doubt that makes much of a difference. I used to think it did, maybe it does if you are borderline on your dunking goals. But having gained and lost 15kg and still being able to jump more or less the same, a few hundred grams on the shoe doesn't really excite me. Though the perfect shoe if it exists must be wonderful to jump in because it feels right even if it only gives a neglible performance boost.
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« Reply #1778 on: April 26, 2014, 06:50:18 am »
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Lets start over lol. I've not lifted in 10 days, prob the longest break in recent memory. I think i was still recovering from playing 7 games last week lol. But im feeling good now. I ate too much junk the last 5 days. Think that will end today, now that im back to training normally, my diet should return to baseline, as it's strongly coupled to training. I've noticed when i have training setbacks in life, injury or whatever, my diet goes with it.

Calves look good, just from playing basketball, the've filled out somehow. Nice not having stick legs. Now imagine rebuilding my thighs back to 27" while staying lean and squatting 170-180kg? that would be sick.

Training
FBS 3x100, 1x110 (lol), 6x90 (fs only), 6x97.5 (bs only)
BP 6x70
CU ~ 15 total

Squat notes:
Form wasn't great, and even 60kg warmups felt hard lol. I guess that's to be expected. It may be partially cause i did this workout stimulant free, i think im just gonna spend some time rebuilding up my strength without caffeine before I add it back. Do i need caffeine to FS 120kg? Right now i do, but i shouldnt need it for such a light weight. Maybe when i get back into the 130-150kg range i'll add back caffeine but dont need it atm.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1779 on: April 26, 2014, 09:35:37 am »
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Yup, about shoes, specific shoes for specific tasks is the best choice obviously. I guess what raptor was asking for was a bball shoe that can be used as a trainer, because it doesn't work the other way around, playing pickup games in trainers is begging for ankle sprains. Disagree with the bulky shoe to get more out of training, kellyb and others suggest the opposite, nike frees, vibrams etc, the  more ROM and the less cushioning, the better. Agree with the silly hype about the actual weight of the shoe, a few grams don't really make a difference when you are are trying to push 90kg 30 inches in the air or break you acceleration PR. 'Lightweight' is more about feeling light on your feet with the shoe, whatever that may mean for each one.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1780 on: April 26, 2014, 11:39:30 am »
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I have pretty much always played basketball in running shoes and never had any ankle sprain in my life. Pretty much the opposite - I had a few moments when I stepped on someone else's foot but my shoes would just deform over the other person's shoe and my foot would not take the blunt of the shot.

Other than that, if you're an idiot and take stupid risks jumping over three people, then it's going to happen no matter what. Just take care.

If anything, I'd rather be afraid for my knees playing in non-responsive, rigid basketball shoes that take the function of the foot away from you and overload the quad and the knee.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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« Reply #1781 on: April 28, 2014, 02:13:54 am »
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Thinking about how to get back into lifting. I'm not keen on doing RSR just yet, not until i'm in a position to do RSR with a training weight of 140kg anyway. But that gives me the notion of using higher reps and working my way up from my old 10rep PR of i think 10x110kg to 10x120kg 10x130kg and finally 10x140kg. That might take some time. I'm also going to try do front squats in higher reps, maybe aiming for 6x100kg, 6x110kg, 6x120kg and 6x130kg. With front squats though, i might still do a heavy single every now and then just for variety.

I played basketball yesterday, my right leg isn't as stiff as my left, so basketball has been helping me fix that imbalance. For a while while i've been focusing on SPP, my right calf is often too sore/fatigued, hopefully there will be some adaptation phase where i'll come out of it a better athlete...

I also want to focus on bench press, i think 130kg for a max is a good goal for me for next year when I play as as PF. Put some meat on my upper body. 130kg is a respectable bench for anyone, least of someone with my long limbs and narrow grip. Anyway want to race me? I'm going to do smolov jnr once i've got my bench to PR levels of 5x90kg, 3x96kg, 2x97.5 etc.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1782 on: April 28, 2014, 06:38:06 am »
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I also want to focus on bench press, i think 130kg for a max is a good goal for me for next year when I play as as PF. Put some meat on my upper body. 130kg is a respectable bench for anyone, least of someone with my long limbs and narrow grip. Anyway want to race me? I'm going to do smolov jnr once i've got my bench to PR levels of 5x90kg, 3x96kg, 2x97.5 etc.

Fuck bench press, go nuts with push press:

http://www.adarq.org/sts-qa/push-press-and-basketball/

« Last Edit: April 28, 2014, 06:40:11 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #1783 on: April 28, 2014, 08:22:54 am »
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vag, Isn't that more SPP? I'm after mass gains more than anything else. Beefen up my shoulder, chest, lats, arms etc.

Btw i'm not even sure i'd use PP or OHP even if i was training SPP. Why? Cost benefit risk. I have hurt my back too much with ohp. Maybe i could fix my form and reign my ego and get more out of these exercises. But. Idk, i'm not sure there is any point bothering with overhead stuff when ones bench is weak (~100kg or so). Adding 20-30kg to my bench will take my OHP up 10-15kg as well as push press (maybe more), so why not just focus on that one exercise..

I should probably do more overhead stuff anyway, but who has time to do all the things we should be doing :/
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« Reply #1784 on: April 28, 2014, 11:42:58 am »
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yeah you've had bad history with OHP. you could do it for volume, though. when i've hurt myself doing OHP it's always been when i tried to go heavy. doing DB presses or lighter weight BB presses for high reps don't bother me. if you're trying to build mass then 3x10 might not hurt.

i really like DB presses and of course the adarq.org member with the beastliest upper back, kingfish, swears by them.
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