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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W6D2 (of 12 weeks)
« Reply #1695 on: February 27, 2014, 05:56:32 am »
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Bodyweight: 88.95kg/196.1lb

Training
FBS 1x130
BS 1x132.5, 1x135, 1x137.5
BBS 1x137.5, 1x142.5, 1x147.5, 1x152.5, 1x155
BS 6x3x122.5
CR 2x15x210 (PR)
DUNKZ (5 RVJ, 10 SVJ)
SHOOTING - 8/10 (PR), 8/10 (PR)

FBS notes:
Wanted to push for 135kg, but when 130kg is this hard, there is no chance. Which sucks cause I got 130kg relatively easily the last few attempts so I thought I was due for (local) progress. Hard to believe I used to warmup with 140kg before I started this cut. lol.

BS notes:
Getting owned by 137.5kg sucks, but i'm going to try add 2.5kg each time, next week i'll go for 140kg. And worked up to a seemingly impossible belted 155kg which used to be under my training max for beltless before the cut. Very humbling.

Basketball notes: 
My shooting is improving nicely, can't believe i'm hitting 80% now :). Also those SVJ dunks were nasty, as powerful as i've ever done them, so i'm happy, even after being destroyed from squats and raises, i can still PR my SVJ dunk. Good sign.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 08:06:54 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1696 on: March 01, 2014, 12:43:41 am »
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I want to do a windmill. It feels like it's the only nontrivial dunk I should aspire to. It's worthy of being a major athletic goal. If and when I can do a mill, there is no doubt that'll be when i'll be at my physical best. Just the sheer coordination, athleticism, technical skill required is phenomenal.

I recently watched a vintage Vince carter casually do a windmill at ~40 years of age, and thought, if he can do that, submax at his age, maybe there is a chance that I too can do one at 30. But then I looked up his standing reach and it's 107", which means he's got over 7" reach on me, and also, he's an NBA athlete. So to fill that reach deficit i'd have to add another 7" to my vertical, and that's just getting started, plus more inches to my jump to reach his current VJ. It seems impossible.

But i'm going to try, and i've started dropping hints to people that i'm coveting it. I know that's a mistake, because you should never share your goals with anyone, because it can only bring you down, never inspire you. I just feel this is one of htose fake it til you make it moments when it's ok to make an exception. If i fail, so what, it's a windmill, not just anyone can do one. If i make it, i can say say, see you told you i'd do it. So i have nothing to lose.

I still dont know how you do a windmill. How do you not lose the ball when you swing it back. do you hold it cocked against hte wrist/forearm? I feel a 2 hand windmill might be more reliable to reproduce, but then that means doing it reverse, and you need way more inches to do that.

With a 98" barefoot reach, how many inches vertical do I need to do a windmill? Reverse windmill? Any ideas, i'm guessing it will be high 30s, for sure. I might be able to get to 36" but i can't see me doing much better than that this SPP phase..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1697 on: March 01, 2014, 06:08:35 am »
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To make it even worse for you, if his reach is 107'' and yours 98'', then the difference is 9'', not 7''. Plus, if that was draft measurement it could be double hand reach so his single hand is a couple inches higher? But my main point would be : WTF, where did VC come from?? And when did 10 years of age compensate the difference between you and a former NBA dunk champion, arguably one of the best dunkers of all time, who is still an active NBA player?
Can you dunk off one leg? Dr J can at 6'7'' / 63 years old:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJGQz-MBXg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJGQz-MBXg</a>
So what? You can not compare uneven things, what VC can do at his 40s or Dr J at his 60s or the average joe at his 20s is totally irrelevant. The only one you can compare to, is yourself. So can you expect to land a windmill dunk? Damn right you can. How much vert do you need for that? No clue, you gotta find out. As you said, the windmill is a dunk with huge demands on technique, reach and vert are not enough to judge if you can do it. What can you do to find out? Go out and find lower rims to see if you can land it. The more rim heights you can find the better. The highest rim you dunked it detracted from 10' gives you the inches you are missing. Caveat to the above method: The time needed to do the windmill motion in the air. You may not be quick enough to do it so you may fail in a rim where your vert should be enough, but that would be only for the few sessions. You could also go the other way around : Go to your 10' and start attempting limited ROM windmills. Half windmills, not fully extended hands etc. And then you can just keep progressing until you land it as you have it in your mind.
I believe it is absolutely doable for you, in a rather short time too. I am not trying to be motivational, it is a legitimate estimation.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 06:11:24 am by vag »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1698 on: March 01, 2014, 06:48:05 am »
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I get ya vag. I was just trying to work out a starting approximation for what i'd need for a windmill so i used the reliable example of vince since rims are standardised and his reach is also compared to randoms on youtube. I have no idea literally, but i'd guess i need at least 7" more inches, and probably 10", which is probably impossible considering i started out with a 20" vertical and im unlikely to have another 10" in me, after getting to 30".  Still, it's a guesstimate, i dont know if i'll ever get there, i just wanna know what i might need.

As to low rims, i can't think of any around me. There is one, but that's a fair drive away, and last time i went there, i couldnt do a windmill anyway.

I'll try tonight, even if i can't get into the rim it will allow me to practice the technique for when i can jump high enough to pull it off.
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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W6D3 (of 12 weeks)
« Reply #1699 on: March 01, 2014, 07:27:27 am »
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Bodyweight: 88.6kg / 195.44lb

Training
FBS 1x127.5
BS 6x2x125
BP 1x90, 6x70 (Paused, PR)
BBall ~ 30 mins (20 dunks, 30 shots, layups etc).
CND ~ Sprint intervals -- 20s on, 45s off (brutal)

FBS notes:
I wasnt gonna do a heavy fs today but thought no harm in doing a sub 130kg one. It turned out to be pretty hard nevertheless, but glad i did it all the same as opposed to omitting it.

BS notes:

So i decided to take a bump up from 122.5kg for my light day to 125kg. These were all limit doubles though. But i'm ok with it. Next week i'll try using 125kg as my training weight so due is 6x4x125 and 6x5x125kg which are forbidding and impossible looking right now, but somehow i'll make it happen.

« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 09:39:26 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1700 on: March 01, 2014, 09:31:52 am »
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Week 6 training comes to an end! I did 10 back to back workouts with only 1 day rest between them. Finally get to take 2 days off for some much needed rest. Then i'll come back for week 7 which is the last week of the diet. But it doesn't look like i'll hit my goal of 87kg bodyweight :( Which sucks cause it means i'm behind schedule. My plan was to lose the last 2kg over the remaining 5 weeks by just doing shitload of conditioning to be a lean 85kg by mid april. But i'll revise this situation at the start of week 8 and see where i'm at then.

I'm a real piece of shit. I'm weak, im not fit, i'm still fat, i can't play, i have nothing going on right now which i'm happy about. Literally. It's dark times for training. Hoping to see better days when i get off this caloric deficit. Til next week, farewall.

Oh and as update. That girl is something else. I thought she was just a normal girl who looked good with makeup and done up hair etc like most girls. But last night I asked her to send a selfie from bed after she had a shower and she looked a solid 7.5-8 sans makeup. Things are promising but as always i'm cautiously pessimistic.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 09:46:00 am by entropy »
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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W7D1 (of 12 weeks)
« Reply #1701 on: March 04, 2014, 07:26:30 am »
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Training
FBS 1x130
BS 1x137.5
BBS 1x140, 1x145
BS 4x125, 4x122.5, 4x120
BBS 6x120, 5x125, 4x122.5
CR 2x15x212.5 (PR)
SqP-1 10x190 (PR)
SqP-0 10x200 (PR)
WCU 5x99.5, 2x104.5, 5x97, 6x89
Basketball ~ 30 mins (layups w/ weak hand, jumpshots etc, no dunks)

Squat notes:
I'm weak as a kitten. I give up. Fuck all of this shit.

For the record, partial squats are delineated by 0 indexing. The top most pin is 0, the next one down is 1 and so on. Today I used 1 and 0. I think 0 is better for going heavy and more explosively while loading mostly the quads. And 1 needs to be lighter but im not sure what that loads, not quads as much as 0.

Week 7, here we go.......... last scheduled week of the cut. Can I hit 87kg? Seems unlikely but let's give it a good shot.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 10:33:51 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1702 on: March 04, 2014, 07:55:48 am »
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I was wrong about getting my squat stronger by bringing up my weak points: calves and abs. It didn't do jack shit, if anything, it's made me weaker. I should have done more specific squat exercises like partial squats instead. I am going to try that now. Do heavy partials for higher reps - over 180kg for over 8 reps. Lets see how that goes.

I will start from the top pin and work my way down.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1703 on: March 04, 2014, 09:43:55 am »
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in re: sharing your goals with other people. i've found it helps me. i might have given up long ago if i hadn't started sharing my goals with people on here. and now that i'm close i'm open with people about it. most people are cool about it - or just impressed at how close i am at my height/skin color - but the few smirks and raised eyebrows are just added motivation. laugh it up, fuzzballs.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1704 on: March 04, 2014, 10:49:40 am »
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I agree with LBSS. I don't 'need' any motivation but if you want to doubt me it just fuels me to another level. Their mistake.

On the mill thing...the few Ive managed to get down are on really bouncy days (so mid 40s vert) and my single hand reach is 7'6". So there's you a rough estimation of what you'll need though I think coordination and practice are essential for a windmill.
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« Reply #1705 on: March 04, 2014, 11:47:34 pm »
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Idk. I can't remember the last time I didn't regret sharing a goal with someone. I think a genuine one needs to be kept private, personal and you build an intimate elationship with it, which no one else could understand. As soon as you share it someone else, even if they on surface encourage you, you lose a little bit of that spark. Or rather, let them underestimate you as fuck, so you can blow them away when you reach it. Rather than have everyone know what you're trying to do, and then know people are expecting you to fail.

Bodyweight: 87.9kg/193.79lb

So as a milestone I went under 88kg today. My goal is 87kg/191.8lb by monday morning.

I might have had a temporary setback monday night when I went to dinner with my family and ended up binging. Still, being carb depleted means most of that went to my muscles, except the fat lol, which no doubt accumulated some but i doubt it was more than 100g in the whole meal. But they do tend to go heavy on the butter in restaurant cooking. Should never really go out to eat while cutting. I need to figure out a way to do that in future.

I have 5 days to lose 0.9kg. Seems impossible. But i can probably manage it without some hardcore 18-20hr fasts on 3 days and eating slightly less overall when I do eat. I also tend to hold more water following a workout, so maybe that 0.9kg is maybe, idk, 0.7kg or something. We'll see over the nexst coupla days.
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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W7D2 (of 12 weeks)
« Reply #1706 on: March 06, 2014, 05:55:35 am »
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Bodyweight: 87.85kg/193.68lb

Training
BS 2x120, 2x122.5, 2x125, 3x2x120

BS notes:
I felt well going into the workout but that was misleading because once i started squatting 120kg or so, I knew I was too wrecked to do much today after all the volume from last time. I wasn't going to do much anyway since it's a light day, but I had to temper my expectations by about 5kg. Was hoping to do 6x2x127.5, instead i did sets of doubles btw 120-125kg.

Not lifting anything else today, just gna take it easy and go take some jumpers in a bit.

I'm wondering what happens when I come off the cut next week, will my lifts go up by 5kg or so? That would be nice i guess, small consolation for losing most of my gains. I seriously am wondering wtf was the point of even doing RSR2 when I lost pretty much all those gains, and i'm now weaker than I was at the end of RSR1. I think i weigh either the same or slightly more or less as I did end of RSR1. This is bullshit because I actually got really good results from RSR2 but i haven't held on to them so it might as well have not happened.
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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W7D3 (of 12 weeks)
« Reply #1707 on: March 07, 2014, 12:50:04 pm »
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Bodyweight: 87.8kg/193.57lb

Training
Basketball ~ 2.25 hrs

Basketball notes:
full court games. did well. i'm still an unathletic, slow, fat, old dude. but i did ok. i am starting to rely more on my skill than my athleticism. Not strong enough for banging it in the post though. But. I should work on that. for sure.

Was supposed to lift heavy tmr, prob wont happen. but i might just force it anyways. we'll see.

haven't been eating much lately. just 2 shakes, 3 eggs and 2 slices of break. had a cappuccino satchen thing preworkout with 200mL light milk. Dinner was just some thin biscuits. I got the idea from Serge Nubret when he was preparing for Mr Olympia, he would eat them bitches to soak up water,  dry out and look lean and hard. So since i'm only days from the olympia, i figure I should give it a try.

2 more days of cutting..... hopefully i can get to my goal of 87kg/191ish. That way i can start eating more food but training a lot more.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2014, 12:58:14 am by entropy »
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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W7D4 (of 12 weeks)
« Reply #1708 on: March 08, 2014, 11:01:16 pm »
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Bodyweight: 87.3kg/192.46lb

I'm 0.66 pounds away from my goal weight. Scheduled end of diet is tmr morning. But. I might do another day, or so, to get to my goal of 87kg/191.8lb. It's no big deal really, I am quite close now so it's going to happen one way or another. I've got a visible 4pac at all hours of the day now, i'm starting to make that transition sub 15%. I still would like to be stage ready at 85kg come tipoff. But, i'm willing to accept I can't have everything perfect, so it's time to focus more on training than bodycomp starting Week 8.

One strange thing happened recently. My body has adapted to low calorie intake. I can train hard, squat hard, play ball hard, long periods of time, and still recover fine. So at this stage, i could even continue dieting since my body has gotten used to it. We'll see what happens.

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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W7D5 (of 12 weeks) -- summary of cut
« Reply #1709 on: March 10, 2014, 08:34:12 am »
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Ok, i think i might end the cut here. It went ok. My goal was 87kg/191.8lb, and i came very very close. My bodyweight this morning was 87.2kg/192.35lb. Which is slight more, but i think it's because i have a bit of food in my gut. No matter. I'm not lean enough. So there is work to be done yet. I think another 2.5kg lost will bring me close to 12% bodyfat or lower. This is conjecture at this point, i just feel that it's a reasonable one.

I am going to end SPP phase there, call it SPP1, and start a fresh one, SPP2, that run the duration of the remaining 5 weeks.

Here is my bodyweight graphed. I lost 20 pounds, well done me, FML.



So yeah, i think i'm 14% or so right now. I might be slightly more or less but the exact number doesn't matter, i just know i have at least another 2.5kg of bodyfat to cut away. I can't keep cutting though. Have run out of time. Instead i'll just endevour to recomp the last 2.5kg or so by eating clean, maybe taking fasting a coupla days a week, maybe a slight deficit or rest days, maybe just depend on doing a shitload of conditioning -- a mix of basketball specific intervals and or LISS. I'll just play it by feel.

I'd summarise my lifts and how i went from squatting 145/160kg/170kg (FS/BS/BBS) to... well.. nevermind, it's too depressing. fuck everything about everything.
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