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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1335 on: November 27, 2013, 09:03:05 am »
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obviously those things are true and being lighter is easier on your joints. i'm just recommending that you treat weight loss almost as a side benefit of getting in shape, rather than focusing on weight loss as an end goal. shift focus to conditioning (and may i add: sport-specific conditioning) and maybe do some light calorie restriction if you really want to, but don't actively try to lose 20kg this time around. just my two cents.

I get what you're saying. It's just i've seen so many people on the internets who are very overweight and afraid of cutting who fool themselves into thinking they can get fat loss  thru training alone without actually doing the hard work on the food side of the equation. But I know what you are describing is true to a certain extent. Anytime you add in conditioning when you haven't been doing it, say thru playing ball, then you'll lose SOME bodyfat from the addition of that extra activity and/or the special role of conditioning. And since I have been doing zero conditioning that's going to be even more true for me. So i accept that and agree. But I also know that if i'm 10-20kg overweight (say from 10% bodyfat) then i def will have to do a lot of dieting to get down to my desired level of leanness.

But i'll do something different this time and i'll take your advice for a change and TOTALLY allow my body comp changes to come from playing ball and in training for ball. I think if I can get down to around 15% bodyfat without actively obsessively dieting then i'll spare myself and everyone around here a lot of annoyance of being that dieting guy. Lets give it a shot. See where it takes me.

Maybe you have never been really lean... but all those symptoms you mention (and more) come right back when you get really really lean.  Leaning down to under 5% makes me feel like I have a cold and everything starts to hurt.  You will REALLY miss the lack of fat when you land on your tailbone on the basketball court.   You might jump higher; but for a contact sport I would be cautious about cutting too much fat.  Especially preseason.  It will go away during season a bit anyway.   You have added appreciable muscle (hopefully) since the last time you cut to 75kg....  Trying to get your weight down close to there again might result in some levels of leanness that you just don't want.   

I think i'd never get that low bodyfat without using a lot of drugs. I just dont have that sort of metabolism. Plus i'm old now, 30 years old. 5% now is nuts. I'm just after 10% or so. And if you're thinking how is this guy 6'3" talking about getting down to 75kg again and not being some ridiculous low bodyfat level, it's because we saw last time that i wasn't THAT lean at 165lb. I hadn't even started to getting rid of stubborn bodyfat around my chest and  lower back. I didn't have a full six pac. This time around it might be different cause i've gained some mass (hopefully) but you never know until you actually get there and see.

Btw last time i was cutting, i actually achieved my best vertical jump at around 83kg. My lifts then were very low in comparison to what they are now. As in what was a 1RM then is an easy warmup now. So hopefully around 85kg i'll actually be pretty lean and athletic. I have gained some mass in my legs, they aren't as stick like as before. But i know from experience everyone thinks they're big and strong after a bulk, and it takes the cold reality of a cut to see the truth once all is said and done.

Being under 5% to play basketball  :o that's insane. Personally I feel a million times better playing at ~180-5lbs ~10-12% bf as opposed to 210-215lbs ~18% bf, man that was a bad time.

Yep! Same here. Btw awesome work with the cut, very impressive results brother.

Anyway i'll take LBSS advice. Let me wrap up RSR next week and then we're going head first into bball training mode!!!
« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 09:14:13 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1336 on: November 27, 2013, 10:21:54 am »
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Just came back from jumping. Had let 2 hours go since squatting but I had to wait home before I cud go out and jump. Got it in rushedly but amazing session. I started off very rusty. MY svjs were weak and wack. RVJ were amazing. I was dunking as strong and smoothly as I could remember back when I was a lightweight. Felt so good. I could have become that explosive guy i wanted to be, who could do a powerful jam off a coupla steps, albeit now i weigh a man size ~100kg. Imagine that, me dunking at ~100kg. I'm not supposed to be able to do this shit. Sure i'm not in danger of doing a windmill at a bodyweight of 260lb like our Chris Hickson. I'm never gonna be that strong etc. But i've got closer right now that i ever imagined.

Can't wait to see my abs again   :ibjumping: :ibsquatting:
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chasing athleticism -- RSR-W5D3
« Reply #1337 on: November 29, 2013, 07:33:59 am »
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Training
FS 1x130
BS 6x2x120
BP 3x92.5 (PR)

FS notes:
I wasn't super tempted to go for a PR today. I am weary of injury for what would have been a meaningless PR today. On another day the PR would be worth more, say once i've wrapped up RSR.

BS notes:
Just the rx.

BP notes:
I can't understand how i've been easing off bp big time due to injury, and then i can go in and do a heavy PR set just like that.


5 weeks down, just 1 left! Only one hard workout left, monday's. Then testing a new max on friday.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2013, 08:08:21 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1338 on: November 30, 2013, 06:31:47 am »
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Played 3 on 3 basketball for 2 hours. I probably shouldn't have and got some rest instead. Felt good for the most part. I did find myself wishing to be quicker though, i couldn't shake off defenders or keep up on defense. Squatting probably doesn't do anything for the ability to move side to side quickly huh? I had a chance for a dunk but i didn't have the hops to do it. Going to rest and recover now and get ready for week 6.

Bodyweight: 94.5kg 
« Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 06:33:32 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1339 on: December 01, 2013, 09:05:59 am »
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Fared pretty poorly the next day. Soreness all over, legs, hips, buttocks, lower back, upper body. Ugh. I took it as a sign and smashed a lot of protein, starting with 2 shakes. Drank over a litre of milk. Ate eggs, bread, ham. Loads of chicken. Pasta. Went out for a birthday dinner at a thai restaurant -- ate loads again, green curry chicken and phad thai represent. I haven't been this full in a long time. I also did a fair bit of restorative work, stretchin and rollin. Feels pretty good at the end of the day. Lets see how it goes tomorrow.

Just for fun i'll go weigh my self and see how it compares to the morning bodyweight.

Morning bw: 94.25kg
Night bw: 97.5 kg
delta: 3.25kg (7 pounds for my imperial brothers)
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chasing athleticism -- RSR-W6D1
« Reply #1340 on: December 02, 2013, 07:12:25 am »
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Training
FS 1x140 (PR)
BS 1x150, 0Fx155, 1x150, 1x140
JUMPZ 6xRVJ, 3xSVJ

FS notes:
I felt like a FS PR today. And i didn't bother with some small change one, went all in for the 3 plate milestone. Got it without any fuss. I don't even think that's my max right now but i'm happy enough for the moment to get my goal of 140kg. Focus meanwhile remains on backsquats.

BS notes:
Plan was to double 150, get a new PR of 155, and then do a single of 150 to complete the rx of 4 reps of 150kg. I wasn't fresh enough to do that though. I didn't force the issue on the double. Nor on the 155 max. I remembered to knee-in action on the next rep of 150kg which was a slow grinder, i think because I fatigued myself on the 155. All in all, i ended up attempting 5 heavy squats which I believe is enough work for the day.

Jump notes:
Excited after getting my squats in, i went to ball with my friends. Did some jumping. Was a bit slow and sluggish to get going. But got warmed up eventually to dunk ok.


I've been playing too much ball lately, which is not helping my weights sessions. But i am embracing it because it will improve my chances of keeping my shit together once i've finished the program and moved on to a fat loss and conditioning phase centered around basketball while maintaining my absolute strenght and building my relative strength in the gym.

Not sure if i wanna bench today.  May do, or leave it for weds.

So that was the last hard squat session of the program. Light day wednesday, max out on friday.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 01:00:24 pm by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1341 on: December 02, 2013, 09:41:49 am »
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Looking good^^^

You're still SO slow in your plants and moves and everything... you should start doing some more plyos and sprints and stuff like that when you think you've had enough with strength training.

Just cycle these things out.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1342 on: December 02, 2013, 10:18:11 am »
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Looking good^^^

You're still SO slow in your plants and moves and everything... you should start doing some more plyos and sprints and stuff like that when you think you've had enough with strength training.

Just cycle these things out.

agree.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1343 on: December 02, 2013, 03:50:58 pm »
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But that beard....epic sir, epic.

I'm going to have to agree with Raptor and LBSS, just imagine how much higher you'll be jumping with a proper run up and low BF though!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1344 on: December 02, 2013, 05:23:10 pm »
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sikhs do tend to have big beards. comes with the whole not-cutting-your-hair thing.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1345 on: December 02, 2013, 05:59:07 pm »
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Ah, still badass.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1346 on: December 03, 2013, 12:52:15 am »
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When is the last time you've done plyometric work? You look like a guy with a lot of untapped strength into power. You're like a mini-tractor that sucks when he's pushed at high RPM.

Looking good^^^

You're still SO slow in your plants and moves and everything... you should start doing some more plyos and sprints and stuff like that when you think you've had enough with strength training.

Just cycle these things out.

agree.

But that beard....epic sir, epic.

I'm going to have to agree with Raptor and LBSS, just imagine how much higher you'll be jumping with a proper run up and low BF though!

Raptor i haven't done plyometric stuff since last summer when I dabbled at it for a few weeks. Did depth jumps from 24" or so? I didn't measure it out just used a retaining wall near the basketball court. I haven't done sprints in ages. They used to make my legs too sore to squat normally but i really loved doing them when I did.

If you want to run up faster. Do you just .. run up faster? Is that what I should be focusing on? I will think about it next time.

It's still really early for me. I only played ball for the first time on saturday. Then played again monday. And will play friday once more. Saturday I was really slow and unexplosive. Monday I was much much faster but still quite ultimately slow.  So i'm going to get a lot of muscle memory gains each time i play for a while. But when it stops working i'll need to ask for help. I actually would like to know what sort of things would give me the most value for the buck. If there is a low-impact exercise or activity which can make me more reactive i'm all ears. I used to love doing short sprints, 5x30m but they leave my legs too smashed to play ball normally and/or squat well. Maybe i'll try longer sprints this time and do 200m ones instead? I can try that friday.

I haven't reached my strength goals though so i'm going to keep trying to push my squats up. I feel a 180kg backsquat will make me strong enough and if I achieve it my front squat will be round that 2xbw corner. Otherwise the only way my front squat becomes a double bw is if i do the long cut to 75kg which i've been advised to avoid.


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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1347 on: December 03, 2013, 04:30:37 am »
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You probably won't be able to stabilize the plant properly if you try to run up faster to the plant spot, or you will decelerate and plant at your "normal" speed.

IMO you need to do high volume 2-leg bounds, hurdles and sprints in order to get better at controlling your body first at higher speeds, then you can try faster plants.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1348 on: December 03, 2013, 10:11:12 am »
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one thing t0ddday told me about when we trained together a couple months back was "earning" the steps. so for high jumpers, they're only allowed to take a run-up out to the number of steps where they get diminishing returns. if you don't jump any higher from two steps than one, you only get two. when your two-step jump is better than your one-step jump, you get three, and so on. that's what i've been doing on the court recently, even adjusting by day: some days i'm good out to three and others not. but it allows you to practice being as explosive and fast as possible out to the distance where your body and brain can handle it. worth a shot.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1349 on: December 03, 2013, 12:30:43 pm »
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one thing t0ddday told me about when we trained together a couple months back was "earning" the steps. so for high jumpers, they're only allowed to take a run-up out to the number of steps where they get diminishing returns. if you don't jump any higher from two steps than one, you only get two. when your two-step jump is better than your one-step jump, you get three, and so on. that's what i've been doing on the court recently, even adjusting by day: some days i'm good out to three and others not. but it allows you to practice being as explosive and fast as possible out to the distance where your body and brain can handle it. worth a shot.

Interesting. What's the deal if my running jump is at least 4+ greater than my three step jump or drop step jump?