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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1110 on: August 15, 2013, 02:27:19 am »
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I just want to make a note in the log that this week I've been taking an extra 4g of fish oil per day for a total of 10g. Even with a decent amount of squat volume, i'm dom free. This is new for me, i've had leg doms for the last 6-7 weeks of this squatting program. It's also made a lot of the usual pain and niggles disappear. Knees feel good. Back feels almost 100% now after the deadlift misadventure. Achilles tendinitis is reduced every day. I've not changed diet much, if at all, so the one thing which I can point to definitively is fish oil. 

Another thing I wanted to note is next time I do ohp, after my usual sets, i'm going to do lots of 1/2-1/3 presses just for the pump, you know, like how bodybuilders do them. I can probably use more weight as well. While i'm eating more, might as well grow some muscle in the upper body. Muscle will be useful later. And in the same vein, i might try half cheaty reps with other upperbody exercises too. Grow biceps grow .. still stuck very much in DYEL territory ;(
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1111 on: August 15, 2013, 08:08:40 am »
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if you are careful and deliberate about your diet, you can add a lot of weight without putting on a lot of fat.
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« Reply #1112 on: August 16, 2013, 04:24:06 am »
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Training
FS 3Fx128 (PR), 1x127.5
BS 5Fx130 (PR), 3x125, 6x120, 7x115 (PR), 8x112.5 (PR)
BP 5x87 (PR), 7x80 (PR)

FS notes:
So I tinkered with my rack pos a bit. Made it much more comfy. But the downside was I couldn't maintain it thru a hard 3RM set. Perhaps it's not as strong?  So for the first time in my life, I failed a FS set with the bar leaving my hands. I also maintained a very relaxed tempo in this set which might have cost me a bit of extra aggressiveness. The other thing was my rack was a lot weaker today than normal from wednesdays chinups. Which really annoys me because I couldn't give less fucks about my chinup and my front squat means everything to me so it's frustrating that it cost a PR attempt.

I reviewed the video and yep my grip on the right side gave way, this sucks. I notice my R hand was a bit too far from shoulders. Bringing it in wud have made the difference probably. Like I said this never happens to me, my grip is rock solid when I fail a FS i always remain in control of it all the way down. I had already done 3/4 of the lift when R side of the rack gave way. This sucks! Should have had that 3PR man. Next time grr.

BS notes:
Stripped the bar of 29.5kg of small plates and replaced with 2x15kgs. Thought it was time to use big boy plates. The set was very hard, even the latter warmups of 120x2 and 127.5. MY HBBS being so quad dominant as it, quads were noticeably less rocket powered as wednesdays. I think i might have bitten off more than I can chew in terms of recovery last workout with my eagerness to try hipthrusts and do a lot of upperbody work. Still, I punched in the squat volume.

Progress summary:
2 weeks down, 2 weeks to go. Only 6 workouts left!

Plan from here:
The next 6 workouts will be different.

I'm doing away with all the accessory stuff and only focusing on my squats. I don't care where my bp or chinups are for the duration of this period, i can always bring them up later, there is plenty of time. My reasoning for not wanting to do any more accessory work? For example if I do a lot of chins, there goes my FS rack in the next workout. Abs are too torched to squat heavy. That's not good. So to avoid that i'm going to take it easy while i'm focusing on my squat.

So here is what I'll do. Maintain my bp. Maintain my chinup. No other exercises, no deadlifts, rack pulls, good mornings, hip thrusts, etc. So that means one or two sets per week of bp/ohp/chinup and that's it. And mo squats.

The majority of my energy, effort and recovery will now go towards squatting HBBS-5x140kg and probably FS-3x130kg.

FS is taking a backseat because it's kind of a pointless lift right now. It will be done 2x week only. My backsquat is much better for building quad strength, FS displays it.  And even that, not very well because it's currently limited by my rack strength not my leg strength. Actually FS would be much better mass builder due to the bounce - but it's very hard to do lots of volume of FS with heavy weights whereas I can do a lot of volume with heavier BS so bit of a catch 22 there. Still I have full confidence when I lay off BS volume later, i'll be able to ramp up my FS easily all the way to a 3x140kg triple at some point this year without much fuss (=2xbw, 75kg BW w/ rock hard abz too). My reasoning is this :- if I add 12kg to my BS in 6 sessions, that means my quads are a lot stronger by the end. And that will def translate to at least 6kg on my FS so long as rack strength keeps pace.  So. That's the plan going on from here! B00m!

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1113 on: August 16, 2013, 01:29:33 pm »
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I just want to make a note in the log that this week I've been taking an extra 4g of fish oil per day for a total of 10g. Even with a decent amount of squat volume, i'm dom free. This is new for me, i've had leg doms for the last 6-7 weeks of this squatting program. It's also made a lot of the usual pain and niggles disappear. Knees feel good. Back feels almost 100% now after the deadlift misadventure. Achilles tendinitis is reduced every day. I've not changed diet much, if at all, so the one thing which I can point to definitively is fish oil. 


What kinda fish oil you take?  This is complete broscience but when I was taking the caps I didn't notice much but I swear I felt a bit less joint pain when I was drinking the liquid version.  It was disgusting though...  Probably coincidence but wanted to get your experience.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1114 on: August 17, 2013, 01:54:53 am »
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if you are careful and deliberate about your diet, you can add a lot of weight without putting on a lot of fat.

Is it diet or training? I'm eating enough to gain weight but not seeing much mass gain. Perhaps I'd see better results by doing a traditional BB program? Suppose I ate the same but did a bulking mass growth routine, I'd probably have more muscle to show for it. Actually i'm skeptical of even that. Could it make *much* of a difference? I'd probably need to take drugs to grow muscle. I was going to say to KF, I don't think I would be a very strong 100+kg lifter. Probably a very mediocre one. But I can be a good, strong 75-77kg  (basketball) athlete. My top competitive weight class for lifts might be 77kg or 85kg rather than 94 or 105-110kg that might be suggested by my height. Also not a powerlifter, not very good at lifting, doesn't come naturally, don't have the bone structure for it. Long limbs and small joints (ankles, knees, elbows, wrists).  So have to be realistic and embrace a more realistic ceiling. I can get very strong around 75-80kg while being lean. Getting over 80kg and i start getting sloppy. And by 85kg i'm pretty fat and unathletic. It's a balance I seek.

I just want to make a note in the log that this week I've been taking an extra 4g of fish oil per day for a total of 10g. Even with a decent amount of squat volume, i'm dom free. This is new for me, i've had leg doms for the last 6-7 weeks of this squatting program. It's also made a lot of the usual pain and niggles disappear. Knees feel good. Back feels almost 100% now after the deadlift misadventure. Achilles tendinitis is reduced every day. I've not changed diet much, if at all, so the one thing which I can point to definitively is fish oil. 


What kinda fish oil you take?  This is complete broscience but when I was taking the caps I didn't notice much but I swear I felt a bit less joint pain when I was drinking the liquid version.  It was disgusting though...  Probably coincidence but wanted to get your experience.

Just 1000mg caps. It's called BioSource. New brand for me, i haven't taken this one before, it was the only one I found at the pharmacy at the time. I tried the liquid one too last year, that was good stuff, tasted funky even though they tried to mask it. Also fairly expensive compared to caps. I have stockpiled a lot of caps in the fridge lol cause I found it on special that's why since ramped up to 10g intake. Oh yea and i keep it in teh fridge, a friend of mine told me it's better stored that way, i just took it on faith.

Btw I meant to ask you on what you thought of the Marion Jones saga?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1115 on: August 18, 2013, 09:22:47 am »
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Rested and recovered well thru the weekend gearing up for the big squatting PRs to come in the next 6 workouts. Ate a lot of carrots this fortnight, like 2kg of them. Also lubricated my barbell sleeves. The sleeves spin so smooth, like brand new. Not sure if that helps me in any way, but I was considering getting a new barbell but I checked mine carefully and it's still straight so I really have no good reason to get a new one. I mean if this one was bent and banged up yeah maybe. It's not perfect but it's good enough for my needs. I am not in danger of doing anything spectacular with a barbell any time soon and it annoys me when weak crossfitters spend big $$ on equipment when they're lifting mediocre weights. Also not sure if I will get the Romaleos 2. I mean I don't need them for backsquat since I don't go ATG. I do go ATG on FS, but I'm not convinced a bigger heel will help me stay upright. It may well lean me over more which I obviously don't need. But if wearing them would make my FS more upright, hell yes that would be worth it. I just don't know how they'll affect my FS.

I watched a lot of London 2012 footage on youtube. They have it in HD quality now. Why the fuck couldn't they provide it live during the games? That would have been sweet. Anyway check out the epic 77kg group A session below. It's actually really exciting which I never thought I would say about WL.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1vyuSmxTpo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1vyuSmxTpo</a>

The 94kg class is pretty boring though. Illya is a beast, just owns it. Apparently he's going to move up to the 105kg class? That would be nuts. Klokov was quoted saying that's not such a great idea. Lol.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1116 on: August 18, 2013, 02:40:45 pm »
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Lu Xiaojun is my idol. He has the best physique in the world.

Also, I remember this. It was such BS when they didn't let him take his third snatch.
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« Reply #1117 on: August 19, 2013, 04:53:11 am »
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Yeah I still don't understand what happened or who was at fault. Was it the jury or the audience or the chinese coaches? As I recall they thought they had 2 mins before Lu cud lift. But the judges thought the other chinese lifter was up, and so he only had 1 min. So stupid. They should have just left him have the WR attempt. Gutted! I was looking at his results, he could easily place in the 85kg class he's that strong.
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« Reply #1118 on: August 19, 2013, 04:57:23 am »
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Training
FS 3x128 (PR)
BS 5x131 (PR), 3x126, 3x120, 7x117.5(PR), 8x112.5 (PR)
BP 6x50, 6x60, 6x70, 8x80 (PR)
WCU (2,7,6,4,4)x89
CR 3x10x37.5 (PR)

FS notes:
Eh, PR and all but I wished it came easier so I could have a few weeks of continuous PRs in me. That seems unlikely now, though I may be recovering badly. I have had broken sleep, perhaps it's costing me gym progress. Nevertheless I got the job done today, seems i'm close to stalling but 3x130 should be do-able nevertheless next week. I won't FS til friday, will skip FS on the mid-week session just to focus better on the HBBS topset of 5x133kg.

BS notes:
GM that 5th otherwise good solid top set. I would like 6 reps at 126kg and have been avoiding failure in the 120kgs, today even for the 3rd set stopping short at 3 reps. But the 7 rep sets are still going up so i'm not concerned. When I get my 7s and 10s around 120kg, i'll start attacking the 6s again.

Trying to think if there is an assistance exercise I can do today which will help my HBBS immediately. Any suggestions?

Upper body notes:
Copied the BP workout from 2 weeks back which I really enjoyed. It's nice and light but gets a good amount of volume in, today I even got a PR which made it sweeter. Also did chinups today instead of midweek because i'm not FS on weds so it's the ideal to do upper back work since it cannot interfere with the FS rack. New exercise -- cable row --  was interesting, really torched abs and forearms. Didn't really feel a burn in the back so not sure if they did the job of strengthening upper/mid back but we'll see if I get doms there.

Otherwise ordinary day of lifting, 1 session down, 5 to go then I can start cutting (yay).
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« Reply #1119 on: August 21, 2013, 04:52:25 am »
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Training
FS 3x90, 2x105, 1x115, 1x122.5
BS 6x126 (PR), 3x133 (PR)
OHP 5Fx63 (PR), 3x66 (PR)
Accessory pump x 5

FS notes:
Plan was to do my normal warmup sequence and leave it there no heavy triples. That way I keep the movement pattern fresh but save myself for BS.

BS notes:
I thought I should try making my HBBS topset the second workset instead of my usual first one. Why? I just thought it would prepare me better for the 5 rep PR set. Did it work? I don't think so but then I don't think I would have got that set anyways. Or maybe I would have, hard to tell post hoc. Anyway, I noticed a few things on video. My heels came up slightly on the concentric. This suggests I could benefit from using a weightlifting heel. It would mean my PC can help drive against the floor which isn't happening now, leaving my quads to do the heavy lifting. And since quads are NOT that strong, i'm ending up squat morning too much. Also triceps are too smashed after squatting.

Erectors were sore as fuck going into the workout and completely torched after the squatting. So it just goes go to show, the backsquat for me is such a major back exercise, it limits the amount of work I can give my legs. That sucks, because sore erectors disrupt normal progress. Legs are recovering ok workout to workout but LB isn't. I am coming around to the idea I need a bigger heel to make my BS (and FS) more upright, which will allow efficient training of legs rather being hamstrung by having to overtrain stabilising a forward leaning squat. So bring on the Romaloes, and I might even go further than than and get heel inserts. My ankle mobility is very good (just watch my FS ATG sets). But the higher the heel, the more upright I can be, the more upright i am, lesser the torque on the lower back and most importantly the better the exercise for leg strength. Makes sense right?

Hoping my back is recovered for friday's session. Going to be really annoyed if I waste 2 workouts of gainz because of this lower back soreness :/ If I feel good i might even attempt 5x135kg and pretend I got 5x133 today. We'll see what happens. That's all, til next time.
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« Reply #1120 on: August 22, 2013, 12:46:01 am »
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Back feels pretty fresh next day thankfully! Will try to get my recovery perfect today and make scheduled PRs tomorrow. I ate ~250g of protein yesterday which is a lot more than I would normally eat (~150g). Also ate a variety of sources, dairy, chicken, eggs, beef and grain. Will do the same today. If it's the last day of this impromptu bulk then might as well go all out. If i have another week after tomorrow then i'll have to play it by feel.
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« Reply #1121 on: August 22, 2013, 08:13:30 am »
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I watched the olympics on the BBC channel as they had the right to broadcast as well as it being in london, that was strange the controversy with letting liuxiao don't know how to spell his name to lift as long as he got to lift the world record.

it explains the story on that video starting from 39:29 onwards.
Its so weird, because luixiao finished, and the other guy was supposed to lift so given 2 minutes but they didn't want to come out so it was liu xioa's turn to follow himself and there was only 1min left on the clock, so lets just say the judges weren't informed of the other guy not coming out, so liu xioa should have come after and only 1 min left on the clock he didn't have enough time, so the judges were misinformed about the other guy not lifting and setting a figure for the lift, so liu was given his time and not enough time, its like 2 people have appointment and first guy finishes early so the other guy only given the time left from the first guy, this kinda stupid time management or other errors always seem to happen to the judges don't know why.
 :uhhhfacepalm:   :pissed:

his first attempt at the clean and jerk at 195kg was amazing especially at the deep squat lol

what was the thing the egyptian guy was smelling for his clean and jerk 197kg?
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   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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« Reply #1122 on: August 22, 2013, 09:01:17 am »
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Lol. I still have no idea who was at fault but yeah that's summarising things the way they happened. The chinese guys for not communicating better with the judges? The stuff they sniff before lifting is ammonia. It fires up the CNS, makes the athlete alert etc. I don't remember seeing any top athletes use it. From what I understand, the olympic weightlifter wants to be fully relaxed and in control of himself and not highly amped up and aroused because their job is so technical. Traditionally used by powerlifters since they don't require so much technique and it's more about brute strength.

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« Reply #1123 on: August 23, 2013, 12:50:19 am »
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Feeling disillusioned with backsquat. It's clearly the superior exercise for all those wonderful reasons that are well known. But on the downside, i'm finding it a terrible exercise for my lower back. It puts so much torque on my LB that I can barely walk properly most days. I have to struggle getting up from a chair. It hobbles me up. Question is, is it because the backsquat is too hard on my back. Or is my back too weak to backsquat? Or maybe I'm backsquatting too heavy too often. I dont understand what's going on. The lower back discomfort I have is asymmetric, it occurs on the left side only.

If I make all my PRs today then I might consider doing another week. Otherwise, i'll start cutting on monday!
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« Reply #1124 on: August 23, 2013, 01:10:33 am »
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I haven't back squatted since 2012 because of the same reason. I ruined my lower back from doing high rep back squats. I didn't even go that heavy my PR was like 90kg for 15 reps but I'm 100% sure that high rep back squats along with physically demanding jobs last year was what fuked up my lower back.
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