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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #945 on: June 17, 2013, 02:48:05 pm »
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There are people much more knowledgeable than me in here, but imho your current ( heavier ) FS is better for your training. Yes, it is not as deep as the old one, but it is still well below parallel. I am not sure that lowering the weight  to reach an olympic depth squat will contribute positively to your training, unless it is olympic squats that you are training for.

Just a couple of cents, plus a link with a good relevant read : http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/squatdepth.html
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #946 on: June 17, 2013, 03:00:48 pm »
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There are people much more knowledgeable than me in here, but imho your current ( heavier ) FS is better for your training. Yes, it is not as deep as the old one, but it is still well below parallel. I am not sure that lowering the weight  to reach an olympic depth squat will contribute positively to your training, unless it is olympic squats that you are training for.

I agree vag. Actually if you look at the BEFORE vid, I was getting a lot of bounce out of the hole by going that deep. It made the lift easier if anything. Now it's harder because I don't have such a strong bounce out of the hole, it asks for more brutal strength/power to complete the lift without the leverage. Funny isn't it. I think if I was squatting deeper now I would moving more weight more easily just because I get so much more momentum out of the deep squat. Which is to say, I think if athleticism is my main goal, then my current depth isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'll keep piling on the weight, once i've got to my goal of 140kg - I can take a few months to improve form and depth with the goal of using the same weights but with better depth.

I don't mind having nice squats, it's aesthetically pleasing and makes the lift more efficient. I am struggling with bruteforcing lifts right now, when it used to be more technique dependent in the past which I would prefer at least from a mental perspective.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #947 on: June 18, 2013, 10:49:43 am »
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I figured it out. Expect nice deep pretty squats for workouts coming up, including PR ones!
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chasing athleticism -- w3d2
« Reply #948 on: June 19, 2013, 10:17:46 am »
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I tried to recreate my form from december but to no avail. I am getting frustrated now, it feels like i've spun my wheels this whole time. And what's worse i've picked up an injury that threatens to be chronic. So i'm decidedly worse off. Oh well. 
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chasing athleticism - w3d3
« Reply #949 on: June 23, 2013, 08:05:46 am »
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Training

FS 2x100, 1x110, 3Fx115, 1Fx129
BP 3x70, 2x80, 6Fx85

FS notes:

Good news is my depth is good enough now. Bad news is couldn't get any of my sets, failed 115 on the 3rd rep and 129 on the bottom. I feel bad about all of this but it's okay, at least i'm back on the wagon.

BP notes:
Failed outside the rack, had to to have someone remove the plates for me, that was scary because the bar gets unbalanced. Right hamstring cramped up. In future i'll have to bench inside the rack or avoid failure outside the rack. This sucks.


Delayed workout W3D3 by 2 days and got really weak but got it in just now. Awful workout, have been eating and sleeping poorly and have been stressed too. If I had done a heavy workout last time, i probably would have held on to strength better but because it was a light/low volume workout it didn't have the same effect. Anyway, enough about all of that. In other news i've gotten addicted to playing starcraft 1 again after a 10 year break. The game is pure crack, so good. My eyes are really red all the time and i'm not sleeping much as a result. It's good, gives me an escape from the drudgery of life lately. Think i'm going thru a phase where i've become fed up of training esp with issues i'm dealing with to do with injuries, bad form, lapsing body comp and lack of progress.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #950 on: June 23, 2013, 10:00:09 pm »
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Looks like that hamstring cramp yesterday was more than just a cramp, think I have strained it on that last failed rep of bench press. lol. In the past the best period of training for me usually comes when i've had a period of frustration and I think this is about to happen again. The problem is i've had nothing to train towards, i don't really chase a vertical jump goal like many ppl, or a certain sprint time or whtaever. I just wanted to be a good athletic basketball player, and without any games to train for, i've had no motivation. So i've come up wiht a goal, by my 30th birthday mid sept, I want to have a double bw front squat (150kg @ 75kg). That's all. Nothing else. I would like my bench to be above 6x90+kg though as an upper body goal just to keep my upper body improving.

So yea, 150kg FS @ 75kg by my 30th birthday. Let's get it done.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #951 on: June 24, 2013, 04:42:50 am »
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 Good goal, also very doable IF you cut out that manic depressive phase you keep hitting right after you do something good in your training.   Increasing the frequency of front squat, which for you might simply mean replacing back squat with front squat.  Looks like most of your pains have come after back squats anyhow, so no need to keep messing with something less specific to your goals. 

 Getting to 2x bw front squat will do much more for your athleticism than anything youll gain from back squatting regardless.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #952 on: June 26, 2013, 02:55:20 am »
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Good goal, also very doable IF you cut out that manic depressive phase you keep hitting right after you do something good in your training.   Increasing the frequency of front squat, which for you might simply mean replacing back squat with front squat.  Looks like most of your pains have come after back squats anyhow, so no need to keep messing with something less specific to your goals. 

 Getting to 2x bw front squat will do much more for your athleticism than anything youll gain from back squatting regardless.

Sorry i've been a bit emo lately. haha. Good advice. I tried the lower back band stretch you recommended to atozo, bc i've got back problems too. today my glutes are domming in a new place than usual. even while doing the stretch i was getting a great burn. good stuff. think i'll keep doing it. one side of my body was really struggling. might be addressing my degeneracy somehow?
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chasing athleticism
« Reply #953 on: June 28, 2013, 08:12:28 am »
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Training
FS 5x20, 5x40, 4x60, 3x90, 2x102.5, 1x112.5, 2x115, 0x120, 2Fx110, 5Fx100
BP 6x20, 6x50, 5x60, 3x70, 2x80, 1x85


I never log my warmups but since my workouts these days are basically just warmup weights, I guess that's what i shud log lol. This is about the point where people disappear from the logging subforum but i'll keep logging even if it's just baby weights now.

I am annoyed that I couldn't bench properly today. I tried benching inside the rack but the combo of pin heights just didn't work and i can't use the spotting bars for this shit. So i'm back outside the rack but without a spotter. I'm going to try rig up a spotting thing tonight, see what I can find at the hardware shop.

Losing motivation. Getting really fat, still broken/injured this week.
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chasing athleticism -- W1D1
« Reply #954 on: July 01, 2013, 10:40:40 am »
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Training
FS 3Fx113, 1x110, 5x97.5, 2x5x95
HBBS 6x85, 5x87.5, 6x60 (paused)
BP 5x85, 5x80, 6x77.5

FS notes:
The 95s were nice and deep and pretty. Not so much for the rest. I will work up from here, maintaining depth & form.

BS notes:
Hips healthy now, re-initiated backsquatting.

BP notes:
I didn't wanna court failure so didn't go for the 6th rep PR - will go for it on friday though, my brother will be over to spot me on the weekend. Actually no he wont, just remembered. But i'll arrange someone else i guess.

Fresh start in July. When training is good, I find it easy to stay true to my diet, so now i feel good about my chances for the week after a decent first session. I am hoping to work my heavy triple on the front squat up to 117 or so by friday. BP pr on friday (~99kg max) and backsquat will go up 2.5kg each time.
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chasing athleticism -- W1D2
« Reply #955 on: July 03, 2013, 10:41:01 am »
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Training
FS 1x107.5, 3x105, 5x97.5
OHP 5x50, 2x60, 2x62.5, 3x60, 4x57.5

Stimulants: None

FS notes:
Form was ok, depth was good.

OHP notes:
Last OHP session was 3 weeks ago, wasn't sure if to go all in or be conservative. Kind of went half way. Working towards 3-5x65. 

Seems like my legs have blown up lately. They seem much bigger but I dunno if it's that's a local or a global maximum.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #956 on: July 03, 2013, 11:21:12 am »
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actual measured difference or just visual?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #957 on: July 03, 2013, 10:25:03 pm »
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Visually. Measures as 23" - which is where they've always been. Wonder if there is a way to add 2" thickness to my legs and what that would do for my lifts. If only there was a way.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #958 on: July 04, 2013, 05:39:33 am »
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Wonder if there is a way to add 2" thickness to my legs and what that would do for my lifts. If only there was a way.







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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #959 on: July 04, 2013, 06:52:59 am »
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Mine are 21 inches but i'm shorter than you and have 13 inch calves so my bones are naturally small.

Edit- My left leg will probs be 12 inches once it comes out of the cast.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2013, 08:00:57 am by Mutumbo000 »
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