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Re: chasing athleticism -- w2d7
« Reply #330 on: September 23, 2012, 06:23:01 am »
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Training
Fasted walking/jump rope - 15min

PC 3x40, 3x50, 3x60, 2x67.5, 1Fx72.5, 1x71 (PR!), 1x72(PR), 1Fx76, 1Fx75, 1Fx72.5, 1Fx72.5, 1x67.5, 2x3x62.5

Powerclean notes:
I watched the Don Mc video on sweeping the bar in. He also suggested putting the bar closer to the toes than I used to. It's further now, so much so the bar no longer touches my shin on setup. Is this ok? Anyway. sweeping the bar alone wasn't enough to make any apppreciable progress. For that I needed another improvement: stopping the stupid jumping thing I had picked up from the wrong way of being taught the lift.

Sweeping the bar and staying on my heels and not jumping was a revelation. I instantly got two PRs once I made the change. And I was surprised to see the bar rack because I wasn't exploding up like I had previously been taught. Instead I was transferring more momentum to the bar rather to propelling myself in the air. So I was delighted with the 2kg PR. The funny thing is, I almost nearly racked 75kg which would have equalled my lifetime PR albeit weighing ~20kg less than when I set it. I'm convinced with a bit more tinkering on form I could have racked 76kg as well, I just forgot not to jump (it seems it automatically happens when the bar feels heavy, i relapse into the older wrong way). If I had stayed on my heels i might have come closer to racking 76 like I almost racked the 75 where I consciously stayed on my heels.

Anyway i've decided I am not served well by doing a lot of heavy singles and failing a bunch of them. It's probably the right way to go if you have a lot of experience with the lift and your form is good but in my formative period with learning new technique, too much weight just confounds the learning process. Starting next week i'll just do a bunch of lighter triples, nailing down form, and add weight when I've mastered the previous load. This way i'll get a lot of reps with good form which will teach correct technique and later when I've got good form, i'll go back to doing heavier singles. I'm going to be super ambitious and hope to clean 90-100kg by the end of the year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2UT4915I4k - 1x72kg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaA9mmVRuU4 - 1Fx75kg

Thanks again Lance for the sweeping tip.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 06:39:33 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #331 on: September 23, 2012, 07:00:41 am »
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 Thats better man, and yea, the bar will sit right over the joint of the big toe in most cases.  You sweep it into the hip as you "press" the floor.  You still have a little hitch there but its getting better, nice.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #332 on: September 23, 2012, 07:02:18 am »
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 Thats better man, and yea, the bar will sit right over the joint of the big toe in most cases.  You sweep it into the hip as you "press" the floor.  You still have a little hitch there but its getting better, nice.

I was thinking I could do better. I'm not getting that pop out from hips in my PCs the way I do from my hang cleans. I could probably hang clean more than I could PC right now, because my PC form is so bad. Haha. I'll keep working on it!  :)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #333 on: September 23, 2012, 07:07:04 am »
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 Thats better man, and yea, the bar will sit right over the joint of the big toe in most cases.  You sweep it into the hip as you "press" the floor.  You still have a little hitch there but its getting better, nice.

I was thinking I could do better. I'm not getting that pop out from hips in my PCs the way I do from my hang cleans. I could probably hang clean more than I could PC right now, because my PC form is so bad. Haha. I'll keep working on it!  :)

Go slow during your first pull, really slow for a while.  The MOST important thing is that the speed accelerates, not the total net speed.  slow, little faster , little more, FAST is much better than fast-faster-slower-fast
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #334 on: September 23, 2012, 07:08:54 am »
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Will do. I noticed when I got the 71 and 72 I pulled them slower and just concentrated on getting in a good position to do the 2nd pull right. I was really struck with surprise to find the bar still racked even after pulled slowly. The other reps I failed, I was trying to pull harder/faster from the ground, but didn't rack those. I think I have a good feel for what a good PC should feel like now. It's not the 1/2 DL + jump shrug at all, it's a sweep and hip fwd movement while keeping the tension on heels (so to avoid being airbourne on the toes).
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #335 on: September 23, 2012, 07:40:52 am »
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^ yes, its one fluid movement, and the most important part of the first pull is getting it into a good spot for the second pull.  There is an old saying that goes the first pull cant make the lift, it can damn sure fuck it up though.  The second pull IS the lift.  And youre spot on with not chasing the barbell up into the air.  Youre trying to move the load AWAY from you, not go chase it.  Mccauley has another video where he shows at the end of second pull, youre actually SHORTER than you are standing straight up. 
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #336 on: September 24, 2012, 01:56:12 am »
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^ yes, its one fluid movement, and the most important part of the first pull is getting it into a good spot for the second pull.  There is an old saying that goes the first pull cant make the lift, it can damn sure fuck it up though.  The second pull IS the lift.  And youre spot on with not chasing the barbell up into the air.  Youre trying to move the load AWAY from you, not go chase it.  

Got it.

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Mccauley has another video where he shows at the end of second pull, youre actually SHORTER than you are standing straight up.  

should I be catching the bar standing upright or should I be in a 1/4 squat position so i'm shorter so I don't have to pull the bar as high?

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Re: chasing athleticism -- w3d1
« Reply #337 on: September 24, 2012, 02:25:27 am »
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Training
fasted aerobic ~15mins (walk, jog)

BP 6x80, 7x75, 8x72.5,
WGBP 5x75, 6x70, 8x65
Hang PC 1x70, 8x2x60

TMWU 300m (3 mins)
FS 4Fx102.5, 4x97.5, 4x95, 4x92.5
BS 1x90, 1x100, 1x105, 1x110, 1Fx115
RDL 3x132.5 (PR), 10x107.5 (PR)
DL 2x3x100
ABS - cable crunches - 3x10  (this is the greatest exercise ever, i feel in the abs from rep 1. Nice burn. Big abz here I come)

Hang PC notes:
I can't stop myself jumping up on the 2nd pull. I tried hard to keep my heels grounded but it just happens. Frustrating. It's like my body prefers to pivot on the balls of my foot rather than pivoting on my heels. It could be that I need to have a bigger heel on my shoe?

DL/RDL notes:
DL - In the 2nd set,  I used a setup similar to my PC in that the bar was further from my shins. This made a huge difference and it just felt much better.


FS notes:
Didn't get the 102.5x4 PR sadly, failing the 4th rep. But nevertheless I had a break thru in squatting after that set. My shorts were fucking up my form somehow, they were causing my back to round. I then squatted in my boxers and I must say it was most liberating. I felt looser and my bottom positions in the subsequent sets were almost perfect, dare I say, Kingfisher like. I was in the zone, upright and controlled. I need to shop around for a pair of shorts which will allow me to squat without interfering with my positions at the bottom. Failing that, i'll just stick with squatting in boxers. Why mess around with something that works.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2012, 12:12:13 pm by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #338 on: September 24, 2012, 11:41:11 am »
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vids are private, can't see 'em.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #339 on: September 24, 2012, 11:45:05 am »
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vids are private, can't see 'em.

try now
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #340 on: September 24, 2012, 11:56:44 am »
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vids are private, can't see 'em.

try now

there you go.

also, re: bayes. you ever read harry potter?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #341 on: September 24, 2012, 11:58:43 am »
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Nope, is it a character from there? I'm saving HP for when I have a child to watch it with haha.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #342 on: September 24, 2012, 12:32:45 pm »
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Nope, is it a character from there? I'm saving HP for when I have a child to watch it with haha.

ah well. if you'd read the books, i'd recommend an AMAZING fan fiction* of harry potter that reimagines harry as a math prodigy and dedicated rationalist who refers pretty frequently to bayes. it's actually significantly better than the original books. but not worth reading without having read those first, because you won't get 75% of the jokes.

*no, i do not ordinarily read fan-fiction. i used to read star wars novels as a kid but that was like 15 years ago.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism -- w3d2
« Reply #343 on: September 25, 2012, 11:00:53 am »
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I might check it out sometime brah. Thanks for the headsup.

Training
40mins fasted walk

And this is prob the last time i log daily aerobic work. I've been doing it daily for over 14 days now, and it's become habit and i'll be keeping it up. No need to clutter up my log with stuff like that. Now if I happen to miss a session i'll log that of course. For what it's worth, my knees already feel much better from laying off the treadmill. I'll continue with and stick to non-TM aerobic work in future.

My glutes were slightly sore for the first time after those nice deep front squats I did last time. It's funny when I did SS with LBBS the only part of my body which got sore from squatting was lower back and glutes. Always glutes. Since then my glutes have rarely gotten sore.









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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #344 on: September 26, 2012, 04:40:47 am »
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Why don't you go to the gym when you're fresh, whenever that happens?

I was trapped into the schedule mentality for years but I'm finally seeing the bigger picture. You don't need to become the slave of layed out programs.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps