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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #315 on: September 17, 2012, 05:04:04 am »
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With the weather warming up, i'm feeling good about being lean, the idea of a summer without being fat is a novel thing.

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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism -- b00m deadlift mystery solved
« Reply #316 on: September 17, 2012, 01:20:56 pm »
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FUCK it just occured to me why my deadlift was pretty today. It just came to me in a flash of insight.....

the reason.....

is

BECAUSE I DID RDLS first!!!!!

They warmed up or stretched my hamstrings, allowing me to get them in a good position which allowed me to set my back perfectly flat. That's it, it's the rational explanation.  :o

Hmm I wonder if this has any ramifications for backsquat. Perhaps I could do some warmup RDLs before squatting and see what difference it makes.

After squatting today, I have recently come to believe my weak core (esp lower back) is the reason why i suck at backsquatting. It's why wearing a belt helps me so much. With my proportions, I have so much tension on my abs at the bottom of a squat, on account of my leverages, that my abs and lower back need to be made of steel to lift even modest tonnages. step back, im on this. I put on the belt for 112.5 I think, after doing 105 w/o belt, and the velcro wanted to open up at the bottom of a squat. It was eerie. So that just goes to show how hard my abs have to work to stabilise even such a light squat load. Interesting stuff.

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« Last Edit: September 17, 2012, 01:53:10 pm by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #317 on: September 17, 2012, 04:00:29 pm »
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #318 on: September 18, 2012, 03:35:00 am »
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My brother took me to a buffet for lunch. Godamn i'm stuffed. Best steak i've ever had. I expect a backsquat PR tomorrow.

Today became an unscheduled carb reload. Have been eating sweets and snacks all thru the day.

I've almost finished a 12 hour binge, er, i mean carbofat reload. Have been eating nonstop. Carb at me bro.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2012, 03:04:18 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism -- w2d3
« Reply #319 on: September 19, 2012, 02:50:16 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrjRj4uQQ1o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrjRj4uQQ1o</a>

Training
FSTM (700m, 4.4kph)

TMW (300m, 3 mins)
BS 5x108.5(PR!!), 3x110(PR!!), 3x103.5, 4x100
OHP 4x57.5, 4x57, 5x57

TMW (300m, 3 mins)
Chins 3x91.7(+7.5kg), 2x3x92.8(+8.75), 3x94.4 (+10kg), 2x6xBW
CURLZ 8x46(1/2 curls, PR), 8x40, 8x35, 8x31
HIIT 2x(2x (2x25m sprint, 25m jog), 25m walk) - 02:59:58
football length sprint (100-120m?) - 15:15s  (PR)
whole oval jog - 03:19:15 (PR)

BS notes:
Form was ok. I have been paying careful attention to what part of my body fatigues just before eminent failure. It was hamstrings. My fucking hamstrings don't have the strength endurance to go thru 6 reps. Quads are fine to FS 115kg and yet I have trouble doing 6 reps of 108.5kg on BS. Why? Hamstrings. As soon as I hit around 4 reps, hams give up and don't hold my back angle, back rounds, form becomes abhorrent. And core (lower back/abs) also comes into the picture during rep limit sets, i'm working on that too by doing a lot of core work now.

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Hmm I wonder if this has any ramifications for backsquat. Perhaps I could do some warmup RDLs before squatting and see what difference it makes.

Tried this today. It actually worked nicely, i could tell from my first backsquat warmup with the empty bar that my hamstrings were nice and flexible at the bottom. This is probably my only worthwhile discovery in the gym worth a damn. If you have problems with flexibility at the bottom of a squat - try warming up with RDLs first.

OHP notes:
OHP is going great now. I widened my grip on account of my long arms. I dunno why I had such a really narrow grip before, but now the lift is easy peasy. In a months time i'll be repping over 60kg fo sho w/ bw < 80kg.

Chins notes:
Weighted chins are the shit. I'm getting stronger very quickly. Can't wait to do reps with a 20kg plate hanging under me.

Conditioning notes:
I can't believe I ran the whole oval without stopping. It's my first time lol. I felt in slow-mo mode though, but was surprised with my time of 3 mins 19sec - that's not bad for an unfit fat dude. I wonder how long it is? Maybe a km? Dunno.  
« Last Edit: September 19, 2012, 10:51:44 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism -- w2d4 (off)
« Reply #320 on: September 20, 2012, 03:53:05 am »
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Training
FSTM 700m @ 4.4 kph

Have been thinking why my powerclean isn't going up. My best powerclean was 75kg when I weighed ~100kg in 2010. I started doing PCs 2 weeks ago and the first time I tried them I got 70kg after not having done them in years. So that made me confident that with a bit of practice i'd be quickly cleaning a lot more (i was thinking in terms of BW). But it hasn't happened. I suspect it is because my lowback strength is holding me back. That's why i've added deadlifts back, also to assist my backsquat which is about to be overtaken by my front squat lol.

I'm having problems with hunger. When i'm on my diet for a while, then it's easy, hunger isn't a problem. But having all this leftover cake and stuff in the fridge is stoking my hunger. I keep craving stuff I can't eat :( I gave away a lot of the cake already but i've still got some left over (had 3 total lol).

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQSzx0ofto" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQSzx0ofto</a>

^watched this documentary, got some ideas. have to increase my NEAT. the guy in the doc burned 500kcal more by moving up and about more instead of his usual sedentary sitting down all day.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2012, 10:30:03 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #321 on: September 20, 2012, 11:01:35 am »
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i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that low back strength is not what's limiting your PC. 75kg is light weight. you can DL way, way, way more than that even with solid form.

post video.

also, throw away the cake and stuff. i never read eric cressey or tony gentilcore anymore, but back when i did one of the best lessons i got from them was: if it's in the house, you're probably gonna eat it. if it's not in the house, you're probably not gonna eat it. basic behavioral economics. it's much easier to restrain yourself from doing something that requires effort (putting on shoes, going outside, traveling to the store, buying something individual, carrying it home) than something that requires little or no effort (opening the fridge in your boxers and sock feet, stuffing your face).
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #322 on: September 21, 2012, 12:25:24 am »
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i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that low back strength is not what's limiting your PC. 75kg is light weight. you can DL way, way, way more than that even with solid form.

post video.

videos from sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXo1cGJujrA <- 65kg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nba4CWmg_4o <- 70kg

I know form isn't great but it's improving every time

I suspect lower back weakness because, take my last workout for example. I did ohp, backsquat, and weighted chinups. The next day my lower back was sore. Now consider i never usually get sore from backsquats (can't remember the last time it happened that i got sore lower back from squatting for that matter), i think it was weighted chinups which did it. So if my lowback is being torched after some weighted chinups with only a 10kg plate, then i think i have a lot of weakness there. It's not just pulling the bar up to the knees where the low back is needed (and you're right 75 is light for a deadlift) but even the 2nd pull you need a strong back. I read it somewhere on the internet lol, i think pendlays forum

Yeah and I agree with you about not having the stuff around. I just got all this food from other ppl on my birthday but I want to be disciplined enough to know when to avoid eating something when it conflicts with my goal. But i find myself rationalising it saying, it's ok brah, its for recovery, go ahead, a bit of carb and fat is anabolic, have those chocolates and cake. Anyway i think i'm on the wagon now, just gotta stay the course. After a few days, it becomes automatic. Thanks for the tip though, it's spot on for me. I never go out and buy something that I know isn't on my diet. If anything i'd come back with something super healthy instead after mentally debating it lol
« Last Edit: September 21, 2012, 12:29:53 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #323 on: September 21, 2012, 12:57:02 am »
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 No.  Your lower back is more than likely TOO ACTIVE in driving the lift, rather than holding a static position.  The second pull should be GLUTE driven, as hip extension should always be, with the quads assisting.  Most people with a short torso and longer legs are not weak in the low back, the levers are massively in their favor.  They are using the low back to do things it should not be doing.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #324 on: September 21, 2012, 01:00:03 am »
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Shit, that makes sense. I did have a much stronger, bigger ass back then, so that's probably why I could clean more. Hmm.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #325 on: September 21, 2012, 01:03:08 am »
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 just saw vids.  The reason youre feeling your low back so much is youre getting on your toes during the pull.  If you want to think " jump" for the second pull, think of  jumping off the HEELS.  Yes the toes will come up, as an after the fact of the explosive hip extension from the HEELS.  

Youre also essentially doing a half deadlift, then doing a hang clean.  I would do some clean pulls early on, sweeping the bar into the hip/upper thigh, making sure you are in good position for the second pull.  Then carry on with the power clean.  Don mccauley has some good videos on these positions and drills if you are interested.

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZR2tolczAo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZR2tolczAo</a>
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #326 on: September 21, 2012, 01:16:50 am »
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Damn. I need to unlearn a lot of things Lance, might as well re-learn them properly now rather than later. I'll watch the video and try again on sunday and put up new vids.
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Re: chasing athleticism -- w2d5
« Reply #327 on: September 21, 2012, 01:41:38 am »
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Back on track after birthday diversion thankfully. Waist is just under 34" now, and I can see my 3rd ab faintly if I flex in the mirror. I am starting to think i am closer to 15% than I am to 20% now.

Training
FSTM - 4.4kph, 700m

TMWU - 300m, 3mins
FS 2Fx110, 1Fx117.5, 1Fx116, 1Fx107.5, 4x1x103.5, 1Fx102.5, 1x103.5, 6x90(PR)

TMWU - 300m, 3mins
BS 3x90, 2x100, 1x97.5
BP 6Fx82, 6x80 (2x10s), 5x77
ABZ - weighted crunch 10x60, 15x65
        - ab rollout from knee 2x15
        - cable crunch 2x10
5x30m sprint (no timing)
      
FS notes:
Horror workout. My lower back was still sore coming into this workout and absolutely shattered by the end. And it showed, I struggled bigtime. The string of failures shows that clear enough. I was failing reps right at the bottom, even before my legs could get involved. It makes me sad that my run of FS PRs came to an end. I dunno whether it was doing this workout pseudo-fasted (and yet it didn't stop me PRing last fri?) - but this was a terrible workout. At one point after the heavy sets, i couldn't see properly and that lasted about 1/2 hour before i could see better.I ate some chocolate, that might have helped.  In the end i decided to make up my 10 reps at 90% (90% of 115 = 103.5).

Btw part of the reason i had a bad workout was using the wrong cue. I came into the workout concentrating on spreading the floor out with my feet. That works quite well for backsquats i admit, but i realised after my penultimate single which I failed, that it must be the cue which is to blame. Lo and beyold the next rep, i didn't use that particular cue, and I made the rep. So i'm doubly annoyed because had I know it was a bad cue, it's possible i would have had a few more PRs today. No mind. My lower back will get stronger, and then I wont have soreness after weighted chins and then i'll set some more FS PRs.

ABZ notes:
My brother was home so got him to spot me on the weighted crunch. I used 3x20kg plates initially, got 8 reps. Then added another 5kg in the next set and kept going and got 15 reps lol. I must have some strong abs huh? I bet I could probably do 5 reps with like 80kg but that will mean being completely buried underneath a big stack of plates.

The cable crunch seems promising. I'm still learning how to do it properly but it allows me to add weight easily, as well as working alone without a spot.

Sprint notes:
I must say it was liberating not having to HT. I felt myself much faster off the floor and stronger thru the whole start and strong thru the finish. If I was timed, i'm sure i would have been close to 4 flat. Once a month i'll probably go during the day with a camera and time myself using that. It's more accurate that way too and I can really concentrate on my sprint.

« Last Edit: September 21, 2012, 12:27:42 pm by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #328 on: September 21, 2012, 02:02:55 pm »
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Thinking of getting a pair of knee sleeves.From what I have read, they help keep knees warm. Which is nice because I usually have to heat up my knees with a heater before squatting otherwise they feel rusty. I also think see i haven't got the best genetics for strength, i should be proactive about my joint health. I'm not equipped with large robust knees, so a bit of support will probably help my long term health.



The Tommy Kono pictured seem to have a good reputation. They're $55 for the pair and another $8 for shipping. I dunno what the difference is btw these and what I can buy from any pharmacy
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #329 on: September 22, 2012, 03:32:42 am »
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I am considering replacing daily fasted TM work with something else. I enjoy the TM - it gives me a chance to listen to some music and unwind, but if it's hurting my knees, it's not worth it. I'll still do fasted aerobic work, but probably involve taking the dog for a walk instead. If this fixes my knee issues, then i'll make it a permanent change. I'll still get the knee sleeves as a preventative measure when squatting. The other thing I haven't explored is rolling my quads with a softball, see if that looses them up and helps knees feel better. But one thing at a time, so I can pinpoint which made the most difference.

Ha, tried on a pair of my brothers jeans (mine are far too loose even with a belt), they're 82cm(~32") and they fit me but slightly loose! I could be justified wearing a belt. Feels good man.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 03:44:14 am by entropy »
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