Author Topic: chasing athleticism (Read 1464971 times)

maxent · « **Reply #4725 on:** March 31, 2019, 11:37:44 pm »

Bodyweight(AM): 84.3kg (1 April)
Diet compliance: 11/11 days
Daily Squat: 135/135 days 
Activity:

Morning:

Noon:

  BS 6x120, 1x152.5, OHP 6x50 
Evening: Post dunk drill

Notes:

Seeing the doc today to get my results back for the 24hr holter & echo
Did a carb up .. was pretty successful i'd say .. didn't eat any junk (ie fatty or sugary) just carbs and protein. Lets see what the scale bounces to tmr

maxent · « **Reply #4726 on:** April 01, 2019, 01:28:00 am »

Got the results back, echo was normal. 24hr holter was interesting, says my average HR was 79 BPM, minimum was 45 BPM (sleeping) and max HR was 188 BPM, which according to the time, i think was during ........ squats?! thats interesting cos i went for a run in the evening and i expected my HR to peak then, my watch reported around 175 from memory.

I think this means daily squatting isn't healthy. I prob wont continue this once i've reached my goal.

LBSS · « **Reply #4727 on:** April 01, 2019, 03:00:36 am »

bizarre interpretation of interesting but ultimately not critical data. come on, man, the daily squats have led to big strength gains and you're two-hand tomahawking the ball. yes you need to improve your cardiovascular fitness but hitting 188 BPM during a near-max effort activity makes perfect sense! it's fine!

Coges · « **Reply #4728 on:** April 01, 2019, 07:06:12 pm »

Quote from: maxent on March 31, 2019, 11:36:33 pm

You nailed it. Im leaning towards the post move one. But i realise it's like 50-50% it will be called offensive if the ref sees i bumped the guy a bit too hard . Basically spin off the defender while giving him a nice solid bump with the arm held rigid making contact above the elbow. Hope to have him off balance enough to get daylight for a jam.

Not athletic enough for a drive dunk.
Not athletic enough for a putback.
Not athletic enough to take off outside the circle.
Fast break dunk if we have a 2-1 situation and the team mate throws a lob over the defender i might be able to get it
i havent mentioned this yet but im realising a huge problem is that im a goofy jumper (RL plant, left handed). when i post up on the R block, i can surely turn on my right leg but the mechanics are wrong for finishing a dunk with my left hand bc when you finish the turn im out of position for leaping forwards. it's like doing a SVJ dunk (from further out) than i would normally doing a SVJ dunk. Maybe i should drill SVJ dunks from further out though. I never thought of that, i guess cos SVJ you tihnk straight up and down. But yea SVJ dunk from further out which means you have to propel yourself forward might be an option if i can drill it successfully.

But one thing ive been thinking of .. if I post up on the L block, yea it's not as comfortable because i have to catch the ball with my right hand .. and i'd have to plant my left leg first. But that's if i turn towards the middle. If i turn the other way (towards the baseline) .. and plant R leg first then finish with two hands with right hand dominant, maybe that's my best chance of getting a game time dunk. the problem is it will expose the ball to the defender and im not sure i can post up all that well on the R block since i have to catch / dribble with my non-dominant hand. I've yet to practice this dunk .. ive been waiting for the next dunk session .. hopefully tomorrow. If I can do this dunk as well or (*gasp*) better than from the R block then im going to get some dunks this year. (update, yea all of this conjecture turned out to be fruitless, i tried it out tonight.)

Go the post move and go hard. If the refs are half decent they won't call an offensive foul. I used to get called for a few but only on drives and in leagues where they have no semi circle rule which completely sucks. I just walked through (no ball and in my office) the L block spin to the baseline move. Seems like it could work in a game. I would lean towards a one handed finish to give you some extra height and an arm to fend off any potential defensive help.

Also, don't write off the put back. I've been in a position more times than I care to remember to put back missed layups and shots. My only in game dunk is a put back too. Most guys forget to box out too so it leaves you with more opportunity.

In regards to Todddays full court dunk suggestion I think that's a killer and would be great. It's the one thing that when you get an open court in a game it's all on you so if you are confident you'll definitely have a higher chance of dunking.

maxent · « **Reply #4729 on:** April 01, 2019, 10:04:01 pm »

Quote from: Coges on April 01, 2019, 07:06:12 pm

Go the post move and go hard. If the refs are half decent they won't call an offensive foul. I used to get called for a few but only on drives and in leagues where they have no semi circle rule which completely sucks. I just walked through (no ball and in my office) the L block spin to the baseline move. Seems like it could work in a game. I would lean towards a one handed finish to give you some extra height and an arm to fend off any potential defensive help.

I've started drilling a spin dunk off the block. I need to keep the defender honest and have him in two minds that i could go towards the baseline, so ive got that counter as well. I figure i'll give him a couple of jumpers off hte glass there and then i'll spin on him. Or another way i could set it up is make it seem im going baseline (faced up before initiating the dribble) then take him baseline before spinning on him. THe benefit of this is it gives you ab it more extra momentum/speed going into the dunk. Basically what wade does below:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLJTwaOZ7Gs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLJTwaOZ7Gs</a>

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Also, don't write off the put back. I've been in a position more times than I care to remember to put back missed layups and shots. My only in game dunk is a put back too. Most guys forget to box out too so it leaves you with more opportunity.

ok i may try to drill it. will get someone to put up some shots and try put them back. ive never done one before, i usually dont have that much height when i get apuback so i end up finishing with a jump hook (in the air)

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In regards to Todddays full court dunk suggestion I think that's a killer and would be great. It's the one thing that when you get an open court in a game it's all on you so if you are confident you'll definitely have a higher chance of dunking.

im on it. will do it today!

maxent · « **Reply #4730 on:** April 01, 2019, 10:29:21 pm »

Bodyweight(AM): 85.5kg (2nd March)
Diet compliance: 12/12 days
Daily Squat: 136/136 days 
Activity:

Morning:

Noon:

  BS 6x120, 1x140, OHP 6x50 
Evening:  Post drill

Notes:

Post carb rebound to 85.5kg is a good sign. Lets see how it goes the rest of the week. NO MORE FASTED TRAINING! CARBS ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS ETC.
Gym weight was a perfect 87.5kg! So i pretty much nailed my cut. Just going to maintain bw now and improve fitness and performance.

Coges · « **Reply #4731 on:** April 01, 2019, 10:42:48 pm »

Quote from: maxent on April 01, 2019, 10:04:01 pm

Quote from: Coges on April 01, 2019, 07:06:12 pm
Go the post move and go hard. If the refs are half decent they won't call an offensive foul. I used to get called for a few but only on drives and in leagues where they have no semi circle rule which completely sucks. I just walked through (no ball and in my office) the L block spin to the baseline move. Seems like it could work in a game. I would lean towards a one handed finish to give you some extra height and an arm to fend off any potential defensive help.

I've started drilling a spin dunk off the block. I need to keep the defender honest and have him in two minds that i could go towards the baseline, so ive got that counter as well. I figure i'll give him a couple of jumpers off hte glass there and then i'll spin on him. Or another way i could set it up is make it seem im going baseline (faced up before initiating the dribble) then take him baseline before spinning on him. THe benefit of this is it gives you ab it more extra momentum/speed going into the dunk. Basically what wade does below:

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Also, don't write off the put back. I've been in a position more times than I care to remember to put back missed layups and shots. My only in game dunk is a put back too. Most guys forget to box out too so it leaves you with more opportunity.
ok i may try to drill it. will get someone to put up some shots and try put them back. ive never done one before, i usually dont have that much height when i get apuback so i end up finishing with a jump hook (in the air)

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In regards to Todddays full court dunk suggestion I think that's a killer and would be great. It's the one thing that when you get an open court in a game it's all on you so if you are confident you'll definitely have a higher chance of dunking.

im on it. will do it today!

Nice. That spin move may actually work well against zone d and could give you the option of posterising someone if yet get enough momentum.

maxent · « **Reply #4732 on:** April 01, 2019, 10:52:56 pm »

Yea if there is a big lumbering there and i have some decent momentum on me, i'll go up anyway (think pop's "be brave, be aggressive"). I find it easier mentally, to deal with dunking on a big than a small guy. With a small guy my natural instinct to protect my body takes over because you dont want to miss a dunk and go over the top of someone. Especially when they vanish from field of vision once you're in the air and that's scary! With a big they remain in your field of peripheral vision so you can figure out if and how you need to bail last second, if that makes sense. Yes i understand im talking about something ive never actually done lol but ive experienced these feelings when aborting dunks in traffic during games.

One hand finish is probably going to my goto. Only problem is grip. Some days my grip is so good i can bounce and catch the dribble easy and other times the ball just seems bigger. I know this is a CNS thing, days of weak grip and fatigued CNS go together. Wish i could have a grip surplus so i could even grip the ball on bad days. A guy at the courts last week suggested gripping med balls to work on grip.

Coges · « **Reply #4733 on:** April 02, 2019, 12:09:31 am »

Quote from: maxent on April 01, 2019, 10:52:56 pm

Yea if there is a big lumbering there and i have some decent momentum on me, i'll go up anyway (think pop's "be brave, be aggressive"). I find it easier mentally, to deal with dunking on a big than a small guy. With a small guy my natural instinct to protect my body takes over because you dont want to miss a dunk and go over the top of someone. Especially when they vanish from field of vision once you're in the air and that's scary! With a big they remain in your field of peripheral vision so you can figure out if and how you need to bail last second, if that makes sense. Yes i understand im talking about something ive never actually done lol but ive experienced these feelings when aborting dunks in traffic during games.

One hand finish is probably going to my goto. Only problem is grip. Some days my grip is so good i can bounce and catch the dribble easy and other times the ball just seems bigger. I know this is a CNS thing, days of weak grip and fatigued CNS go together. Wish i could have a grip surplus so i could even grip the ball on bad days. A guy at the courts last week suggested gripping med balls to work on grip.

I'm starting to think of this like the 4 minute mile. Seems like such an impossible task but I bet once you get your first one there will be plenty to follow.

Yeah working grip is a great idea. I'm also working on dunking without palming. Palming is the reason I've missed so many in game attempts and getting the hand more over the ball and actually dunking instead of placing it in the rim I think is a huge key to more success.

maxent · « **Reply #4734 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:23:56 am »

I get the same feeling. I have missed all my game dunk attempts b/c i didnt control the ball into the hoop. so gripping or double hand dunking is what my situation calls for. I think you're more naturally athletic so you'd be able to finish the dunks i usually miss b/c the ball isn't stuck to my hand well so i just end up missing it. Now you've made me wonder about what I do different in-game vs training to miss dunks, i rarely if ever miss them in training. Might be rushing the finish. Maybe i jump differently so the ball isn't in the same position. Something like that.

maxent · « **Reply #4735 on:** April 02, 2019, 10:24:26 pm »

Bodyweight(AM): 85.6kg (3rd March)
Diet compliance: 13/13 days
Daily Squat: 137/137 days 
Activity:

Morning:

Noon:

  BS 3x120, OHP 8x40  
Evening:  Post work

Notes:

Going to do a light day and go hard tmr

maxent · « **Reply #4736 on:** April 03, 2019, 10:14:43 pm »

Bodyweight(AM): 85.5kg (4 March)
Diet compliance: 14/14 days
Daily Squat: 138/138 days 
Activity:

Morning:

 CND - full court baskets - 40mins

Noon:

   BS 1x157.5 
Evening:

Notes:

Wet windy day, was really planning on going for a nice hard run. Will still make it work
I just did full court layups/jumpers for sets of 21, 41 and 51 makes, alternating baskets after a make. Took about 40 mins .. HR hit 175 on the first set! pretty decent workout .. will become my goto from here

maxent · « **Reply #4737 on:** April 05, 2019, 11:36:33 am »

Bodyweight(AM): 85.1kg (5 March)
Diet compliance: 15/15 days
Daily Squat: 139/139 days 
Activity:

Morning:

Noon:

  BS 3x120, OHP 10x20, Dips 10x26.5  
Evening:  Dunks

Notes:

Ok so finally today something clicked. If i stick with RL plant, then a proper jump would be from the L side of the rim. But obvviously whenever i tried that in the pst it felt wrong because duh, im left handed. However if i dunk it with two hands, right hand dominant, now suddenly i can do a ........ drive dunk off two legs. I landed a few .. felt good. But i didnt get too many chances cos the court got busy.
Potentially if i can make the RL plant with double hand (right dominant) natural .. and practice it more and get better, i'll probably be able to get a game-time dunk because im much much quicker off the dribble from the left of the rim
Next observation, since i have done 99% of my dunking from the R side of the rim with a RL plant .. the proper way would be a LR plant with the L hand. I didn't get around to trying this but i think i always faltered in the past when dabbled with changing things up .. i'd do LR plant but from the L side. It didn't feel natural at all. Now i know that was because it would be trying to dunk across my body just not ideal. So need to spend some time doing LR dunks with the L hand from the R side of the rim.

maxent · « **Reply #4738 on:** April 05, 2019, 10:04:35 pm »

Bodyweight(AM): 84.8kg (6 March)
Diet compliance: 16/16 days
Daily Squat: 140/140 days 
Activity: 24,000 (PR!!)

Morning:

 Run 2x12.5min (4km total, 1 min rest)

Noon:

   BS 5x120, 1x140, OHP 8x40   
Evening: Basketball ~3hrs

Notes:

I need to confess osmething .. i kept cutting .. not as hard but nevertheless i wasnt satisfied with a carb up 85.5kg .. i know that 85.0kg carbed up is ideal, so i kept going. But ive promised myself today is the last day and i need to switch over to carbohydrate based metabolism if i have any chance of performing well at the comp. It's going to be brutal, 6 full court competitive games in one weekend.
That morning run was brutal .. i did it with the vest and my HR went up as high as 180 and whenever i looked at my watch it was in the 170s. I felt fine but i wonder if it's because a)im unfit, b)trying to do a carb based activity without carbs, c)vest makes that much of a difference or all of the above.
Basketball was awful, played full court scrimmage on a team who play toegether at rec league, who were just doing full court shooting practice.passing to each other but not to me. cunts did not pass the ball to me once in the post. It was such a missed opportnity cos the guy who was guarding me in the post was a really good defender so i'd love to have gone head to head. I played the first 15 min with a vest. It was very demanding but im training to be able to play 10 mins nonstop as my team has told me im expected to play 30 mins a game. I stopped playing defense eventually just used it as a conditioning workout. Pickup after that was fun though, see below
After ball came home and took teh dog for a walk. end of day ive hit a PR 24k steps for the day. I only ate one meal as well.

LBSS · « **Reply #4739 on:** April 06, 2019, 01:35:54 am »

why are you running with the vest on.

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