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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3825 on: July 29, 2017, 10:30:08 pm »
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regardless, some occasional bodybuilding style sessions where you try and pump everything up to the max isn't a bad thing.. it's actually pretty fun and might help.. trick: only look in the mirror after that session.. :) :ninja:

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I feel like a fucking monster checking myself out in the changing room after an upper workout. If I could always look the way I do with my upper pump I would put uppers on permanent maintenance

Also maybe you've just got body dysmorphia and compare yourself to the enormous guys in the gym. When I'm socializing with friends they seem to think I'm big despite the fact that I see myself as pretty skinny. Can't be too different for you, we're similar weight and my weight is mostly in the legs anyway

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3826 on: July 30, 2017, 04:27:35 am »
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the cure for me, regarding physique, has always been "big legs". If my legs are big, I seem to not care about what's going on with my upper body.. big legs also imply i'm more powerful etc. so it's almost like a primal switch you can flip in your brain.

Interesting! My thighs (and hams/glutes) are my biggest muscles but if in a gym im prob wearing shorts and compression tights and all i will see is my proportionally skinny calves and tiny VMOS lol. Calves and VMOs really need to come up for me. I think if I was leaner i'd look bigger too the way you describe below:

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I took several physique selfies when I was dunking, being lean felt good but, knowing my legs were disproportionally big felt even better. I didn't take any physique selfies when I was running... got skinny all over, didn't enjoy it (physique-wise) that much.

Yah theres a sweet spot to aesthetics i think. IF i get my bodyweight up to 95kg i'll look bigger cos i will be bigger but obviously a lot fatter but in clothes you still look huge. Conversely being lean even if you're really light you look bigger because the muscles having definition give the illusion of size.

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high rep moderate intensity squatting makes legs big real quick.. plus it's a lighter load on the spine which is cool.. just can't let form break down obviously.
holy shit i think we're on the same page about this, im just not build for heavy squatting. But volume can get me stronger and bigger and that might be the way to go long term. To be honest, even powerlifters etc taper off volume to recover before attempting maxes whereas I think i didnt do that b/c i was autoregging which works fine until it doesn't and you get broken by lifts that should not have tasked you so much.

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regardless, some occasional bodybuilding style sessions where you try and pump everything up to the max isn't a bad thing.. it's actually pretty fun and might help.. trick: only look in the mirror after that session.. :) :ninja:
mirrors everywhere at the gym hard to avoid them. I actually get phsyched out when i use bigger dumbells like 30kg ones cos the image in the mirror looks comically skinny holding those in my hands i just get deflated before the set. but thats ok i shud just work with volume and not covet heavier and heavier, esp when dbs go up by 2.5kg and 5kg from last week and i shud really be mastering a given weight before going up
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3827 on: July 30, 2017, 04:29:09 am »
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regardless, some occasional bodybuilding style sessions where you try and pump everything up to the max isn't a bad thing.. it's actually pretty fun and might help.. trick: only look in the mirror after that session.. :) :ninja:

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I feel like a fucking monster checking myself out in the changing room after an upper workout. If I could always look the way I do with my upper pump I would put uppers on permanent maintenance

Also maybe you've just got body dysmorphia and compare yourself to the enormous guys in the gym. When I'm socializing with friends they seem to think I'm big despite the fact that I see myself as pretty skinny. Can't be too different for you, we're similar weight and my weight is mostly in the legs anyway

mirror at home might be more honest cos im happy with that size. but gym ones may be vanity ones to make you look skinner? idk. but it makes sense that im comparing myself to the skinny guy in the mirror and conversely the guys around me look massive cos reality doesnt have the vanity field.. heh
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« Reply #3828 on: July 30, 2017, 04:33:55 am »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3829 on: July 30, 2017, 09:58:18 am »
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Looking into improving my testosterone levels. Anyone have any tips?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3830 on: July 30, 2017, 08:48:32 pm »
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Looking into improving my testosterone levels. Anyone have any tips?

nothing other than taking steroids makes enough of a difference to matter.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3831 on: July 30, 2017, 09:03:25 pm »
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Looking into improving my testosterone levels. Anyone have any tips?

nothing other than taking steroids makes enough of a difference to matter.

Lifestyle changes definitely can make enough of a difference to matter somewhat, no?

they matter for reasons other than raising testosterone levels.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3832 on: July 30, 2017, 09:22:28 pm »
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Looking into improving my testosterone levels. Anyone have any tips?

nothing other than taking steroids makes enough of a difference to matter.

Lifestyle changes definitely can make enough of a difference to matter somewhat, no?

they matter for reasons other than raising testosterone levels.

#badadvice

Sleep and stress are testosterone killers. Fucking with your metabolism is too. Increase vitamin D and raising your good cholesterol can increase T as well.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3833 on: July 30, 2017, 09:49:54 pm »
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Looking into improving my testosterone levels. Anyone have any tips?

nothing other than taking steroids makes enough of a difference to matter.

Lifestyle changes definitely can make enough of a difference to matter somewhat, no?

they matter for reasons other than raising testosterone levels.

#badadvice

Sleep and stress are testosterone killers. Fucking with your metabolism is too. Increase vitamin D and raising your good cholesterol can increase T as well.

i agree that sleeping well and managing stress are good things to do. i also agree taht a healthy diet and making sure you have all your micronutrients in order are good. is the main operative reason they are good because they shift you from being, at a given time, like 40%ile but within normal test range to 60%ile but still within normal test range? i highly doubt it. one should definitely do those things anyway, though, because they make a big difference, just likely for other reasons.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3834 on: July 30, 2017, 10:57:38 pm »
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Looking into improving my testosterone levels. Anyone have any tips?

nothing other than taking steroids makes enough of a difference to matter.

Lifestyle changes definitely can make enough of a difference to matter somewhat, no?

they matter for reasons other than raising testosterone levels.

#badadvice

Sleep and stress are testosterone killers. Fucking with your metabolism is too. Increase vitamin D and raising your good cholesterol can increase T as well.

i agree that sleeping well and managing stress are good things to do. i also agree taht a healthy diet and making sure you have all your micronutrients in order are good. is the main operative reason they are good because they shift you from being, at a given time, like 40%ile but within normal test range to 60%ile but still within normal test range? i highly doubt it. one should definitely do those things anyway, though, because they make a big difference, just likely for other reasons.

Agreed that you should do them just because and that how much of a difference it'll make will obviously vary. I would still do it as any increase should make a difference.

I'm a case in point though. Don't have low T but it was lower than expected. Vit D was also low and I was getting pretty shitty sleep along too. Brought the D up to doctor approved levels (big note here that a lot of people would suggest if you're active and heavily active then dr approved levels are way too low anyway), got the sleep to resemble almost normal levels and started eating eggs, avacado, etc. 20% improvement in my T levels in 8 weeks. It may just be me but these things are easy fixes and I would have taken even 5% difference. This was 3-4 years ago now and I'm sure the levels would be in much better shape now too.

The only caveat here is measuring T levels, free etc, and getting a doctor to do it. I'm due for another round of tests so will get them to include again so I can compare.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3835 on: July 31, 2017, 04:30:49 am »
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Ive doubled my vitamin D intake now and I think i'll stick to that until the end of winter. I dont eat enough dietary fat i think, my daily intake is around 40-50g a day. Will try eat 4 eggs a day, that will take it up to 20g of dietary fat from egg. Need more perhaps but maybe from a different source. Olive oil? I already use it for cooking eggs. But not like im gna do olive oil shots so idk how to 'eat' more of it. Another change ive made as of today is to stop using handwash. I became somewhat of a hygiene freak a few years ago and i think it may have affected my T levels. Will use a bar of soap even tho it's messier and not as convenient. I have the bases covered for micronutrients already so there isn't much to change on that front. Sleep/ Stress though could improve. Finallly activity levels need to go up, think 6000-8000 units a day minimum and 8000-10,000 on training days. Training every other day also. Maybe even look at 2-a-day training sessions again. i actually found that helped my squat when i tried in may. Any other ideas?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3836 on: July 31, 2017, 10:19:41 am »
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Hand wash and t levels? i've never heard of that.

also is vitamin d, vitamin d3?

it was on the news this year. the FDA even came down on these products. Look it up. I prob wash my hands like 30-50 times a day so i wouldn't be surprised it if's affected me hormonally :/
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« Reply #3837 on: July 31, 2017, 10:21:59 am »
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BW: 84.3kg
Activity: 8000 (good!)
Misc:
Diet Compliance: yes 4/84

Going to give EOD training another shot. Will explain why later. Training tonight.

BS 6x70, 3x90
BP 6x50, 6x70, 6x60
Jumps (some depth jumps some Max effort RVJs).

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ive put up my best jump on insta. estimate it around 35" but welcome criticism on the accuracy of that estimate. I dont want to get excited tho, cos a)im not able to replicate this with a LR plant and b)kinda out of shape for jumping/bball jumping at a not-lean 87kg. Will keep working at it and see if i can get it to a touch below the the wrist which should be high 30s and 2-3" below the wrist will be 40".
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3838 on: July 31, 2017, 05:43:22 pm »
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Ive doubled my vitamin D intake now and I think i'll stick to that until the end of winter. I dont eat enough dietary fat i think, my daily intake is around 40-50g a day. Will try eat 4 eggs a day, that will take it up to 20g of dietary fat from egg. Need more perhaps but maybe from a different source. Olive oil? I already use it for cooking eggs. But not like im gna do olive oil shots so idk how to 'eat' more of it. Another change ive made as of today is to stop using handwash. I became somewhat of a hygiene freak a few years ago and i think it may have affected my T levels. Will use a bar of soap even tho it's messier and not as convenient. I have the bases covered for micronutrients already so there isn't much to change on that front. Sleep/ Stress though could improve. Finallly activity levels need to go up, think 6000-8000 units a day minimum and 8000-10,000 on training days. Training every other day also. Maybe even look at 2-a-day training sessions again. i actually found that helped my squat when i tried in may. Any other ideas?

Coconut oil, avacado and nuts are my main sources of fat outside of eggs. 
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3839 on: August 01, 2017, 12:36:37 am »
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Hand wash and t levels? i've never heard of that.

also is vitamin d, vitamin d3?

it was on the news this year. the FDA even came down on these products. Look it up. I prob wash my hands like 30-50 times a day so i wouldn't be surprised it if's affected me hormonally :/

wait, so do u mean like joy soap, palmolive washing detergent affects people hormonally just on skin contact?

I want to see the science behind it. Why does Triclosan mess with hormones? Or is it some kind of a propaganda because of the bacteria accimilation.

Not sure how much credence you place in Poliquin but he's a big advocate of avoiding these types of things:

http://main.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/1437/15_Simple_Steps_to_Prevent_Hormone_Disruption.aspx

http://www.strengthsensei.com/top-10-androgen-killers/
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