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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3690 on: May 03, 2017, 11:30:03 pm »
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my browser autofills the subject heading with old titles, which is cool if it actually remembered the last ones used not ones from a year ago lol. so it's just easier to do numbers now without scrolling thru the history of titles and editing it. edit, so 13/345 is day 13 of this 345 day cycle where i want to be by next easter
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3691 on: May 04, 2017, 12:25:40 am »
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my browser autofills the subject heading with old titles, which is cool if it actually remembered the last ones used not ones from a year ago lol. so it's just easier to do numbers now without scrolling thru the history of titles and editing it. edit, so 13/345 is day 13 of this 345 day cycle where i want to be by next easter

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« Reply #3692 on: May 04, 2017, 06:58:06 am »
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Bodyweight: 80.8kg
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Paused BS 4Fx120(PR), 2x125, 1x127.5(PR), 1x122.5
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OHP 2x3x60(LPR), 3x2x60
Paused BS 6x100, 8x100(PR)
DB OHP 10x20(PR)
Sprints 5x50m (pretty good)

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Getting better at paused squatting. Unfortunately getting worse at recording my paused squatting. Missed the 4Fx120 and the 2nd set of dunks, one which felt real good.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3693 on: May 04, 2017, 07:51:31 pm »
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Mate your dunks are looking good. You should throw a few reverse dunks in the mix. I'm sure you'd get them pretty easy too.
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« Reply #3694 on: May 04, 2017, 09:40:25 pm »
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Mate your dunks are looking good. You should throw a few reverse dunks in the mix. I'm sure you'd get them pretty easy too.

Will try :)

I'm kinda lost for ideas for dunking training. I was thinking of building up my movement efficiency back to regular dunking levels and then just putting dunks more or less on maintenance and focus on other things, eg max rim touch jumps. The reason is, once i get pretty efficient at dunking, it no longer serves as a jump exercise b/c i dont need to jump very high to dunk and my body doesnt even bother trying to. Which is not good for training...

Yesterday i also did a dunk or two off one leg and i was getting around PR levels on those, which i think is good cos SL dunks are more likely in a game situation on a cut/drive? Idk.. I still want game time dunk and it's never happened but i need to figure out some drills for practising possible game time dunks. One i really like is D.Wade's drive, spin and drop step dunk. Let me link it below. Could I turn this into a drill?

https://streamable.com/4xk7

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« Reply #3695 on: May 04, 2017, 09:43:53 pm »
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Bodyweight: 80.9kg (yikes!!)
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Ok, this is as a heavy as I want to see the scale read while i'm still chasing baseline (sig.) goals. Lol. I'm not going to go on a PSMF lowcarb cut today for the next month but will start watching my diet closer :) Would be ok weighing 80kg or just under as long as my abs start coming back. I think for training it's helpful to be a bit heavier than too light tbh.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3696 on: May 04, 2017, 10:25:00 pm »
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Mate your dunks are looking good. You should throw a few reverse dunks in the mix. I'm sure you'd get them pretty easy too.

Will try :)

I'm kinda lost for ideas for dunking training. I was thinking of building up my movement efficiency back to regular dunking levels and then just putting dunks more or less on maintenance and focus on other things, eg max rim touch jumps. The reason is, once i get pretty efficient at dunking, it no longer serves as a jump exercise b/c i dont need to jump very high to dunk and my body doesnt even bother trying to. Which is not good for training...

Yesterday i also did a dunk or two off one leg and i was getting around PR levels on those, which i think is good cos SL dunks are more likely in a game situation on a cut/drive? Idk.. I still want game time dunk and it's never happened but i need to figure out some drills for practising possible game time dunks. One i really like is D.Wade's drive, spin and drop step dunk. Let me link it below. Could I turn this into a drill?

https://streamable.com/4xk7

If you can work on dunks that are likely to happen in game situations. For me there's be three main dunks that I would see happening in most games. 1) The fast break. Need plenty of practice at dunking off the dribble at full speed or receiving the pass and going straight into your take off. 2) The cut/drive. Like you said, more likely to happen off 1. 3) the drop step. For me this is the perfect dunk for you given the way you dunk. Drop step from the post past your opponent and bam. Whether or not you spend any time in the post is probably the main issue.

Man pick any Wade dunk and you've got me.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3697 on: May 05, 2017, 09:15:25 pm »
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Annnnnnnnnd I hurt my back. Lol. After bball went to the shops bought some stuff, everything was okay, i was PR my activity at 15k, feeling good and getting out of the car I stepped akwardkly and boom, something happened.  Back been stiff since :(
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« Reply #3698 on: May 06, 2017, 01:26:11 pm »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3699 on: May 06, 2017, 06:09:53 pm »
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Mate your dunks are looking good. You should throw a few reverse dunks in the mix. I'm sure you'd get them pretty easy too.

Will try :)

I'm kinda lost for ideas for dunking training. I was thinking of building up my movement efficiency back to regular dunking levels and then just putting dunks more or less on maintenance and focus on other things, eg max rim touch jumps. The reason is, once i get pretty efficient at dunking, it no longer serves as a jump exercise b/c i dont need to jump very high to dunk and my body doesnt even bother trying to. Which is not good for training...

Yesterday i also did a dunk or two off one leg and i was getting around PR levels on those, which i think is good cos SL dunks are more likely in a game situation on a cut/drive? Idk.. I still want game time dunk and it's never happened but i need to figure out some drills for practising possible game time dunks. One i really like is D.Wade's drive, spin and drop step dunk. Let me link it below. Could I turn this into a drill?

https://streamable.com/4xk7

If you can work on dunks that are likely to happen in game situations. For me there's be three main dunks that I would see happening in most games. 1) The fast break. Need plenty of practice at dunking off the dribble at full speed or receiving the pass and going straight into your take off. 2) The cut/drive. Like you said, more likely to happen off 1. 3) the drop step. For me this is the perfect dunk for you given the way you dunk. Drop step from the post past your opponent and bam. Whether or not you spend any time in the post is probably the main issue.

Man pick any Wade dunk and you've got me.

Good point about in game dunks...  I'm a much better in game dunker than show dunker and you forgot the easiest one... the tip dunk!

For me the dunks that easiest in game dunks are in order:

1) tip dunk
2) drop step
3) looping down the lane trailer cut
4) fastbreak

Fast break dunking is surprisingly hard for a two footed jumper.  I have gotten them in games on one foot in the far past but now I don't really go for dunks I'm the break.  A couple reasons why.  First the penalty for a missed dunk is too great. If the game is competitive it's inexcusable to miss a dunk when your alone on the break while I missed drop step dunk is excusable.  Second is that specific training is very hard.  You can drill drop step dunks over and over and it's pretty much exactly what happens in games but every fastbreak is unique and your steps and approach variations will take inches off your jump.  For that reason I go for graceful layups on the break and save the dunks when they are less anticipated

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3700 on: May 06, 2017, 07:06:11 pm »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3701 on: May 06, 2017, 08:45:36 pm »
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Welcome back! One reason I'm far from a gametime dunk, b/c as a left hand player with a RL plant, im 90% likely to be facing a defender who is well prepared to neutralise my drop stop dunk attempts. So on the right block where I like to post up, if I drop step to the rim unless ive bodied the defender pretty good, it's just easier to slip in a layup or another graceful type move rather than power. OTOH I can spin better on a drive from the left block but then im out of luck for a RL plant with a L finish. lol. Just mix of factors multiply the degree of difficulty. Can 100% your observations on fast break dunks. My spin on the R block is slowwwwwwwww af tho but I can still beat the defender who doesn't know how to defend a good left handed post player which is suprisingly common. I actually have great post presense for an undersized PF. I can score at will on the R block. If the defender is a lot bigger than me then i'm beating him with speed. If he's smaller, im going thru him no probs.

In future i expect two things can help my dunking ability in games. Just being bigger and stronger and overwhelming the defender with power, getting them out of position then drop stepping them. Will be there in 345-15 days  :P
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« Reply #3702 on: May 07, 2017, 12:00:56 am »
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Welcome back! One reason I'm far from a gametime dunk, b/c as a left hand player with a RL plant, im 90% likely to be facing a defender who is well prepared to neutralise my drop stop dunk attempts. So on the right block where I like to post up, if I drop step to the rim unless ive bodied the defender pretty good, it's just easier to slip in a layup or another graceful type move rather than power. OTOH I can spin better on a drive from the left block but then im out of luck for a RL plant with a L finish. lol. Just mix of factors multiply the degree of difficulty. Can 100% your observations on fast break dunks. My spin on the R block is slowwwwwwwww af tho but I can still beat the defender who doesn't know how to defend a good left handed post player which is suprisingly common. I actually have great post presense for an undersized PF. I can score at will on the R block. If the defender is a lot bigger than me then i'm beating him with speed. If he's smaller, im going thru him no probs.

In future i expect two things can help my dunking ability in games. Just being bigger and stronger and overwhelming the defender with power, getting them out of position then drop stepping them. Will be there in 345-15 days  :P

As far as the drop step goes I'm the same as you (actually opposite RL-RH which is the same) but one advantage I have is that my spin move is much much better on left block so it's a bit more natural... if you LRL and spin better on left block then you truly are the worst of all possible combinations lol.  Ouch.

Two things to work on other than getting a faster spin to avoid the defender completely.

Work on a drop step where you don't actually face up completely.  This requires the dunk to have a bit of turn, so it's a drop step spin and the dunk has about a 80 degree spin in it.  This allows you to protect the ball and even use your lead hand to fight off the defender (and even push off slightly for a boost).  If you have a trainer parter it's best to practice w them - practice your spin, gather, protect and push off w your lead arm on their shoulder... hard to get this perfect but when you do you can get truly nasty dunks...

The other thing to work on (now that I have given up learning opposite plant) is using your non dominant hand...  for you if you can start integrating your right hand you will be shocked how easy you can get right handed dunks on the right baseline... not only is the ball protected but you can dunk w the ball behind your body which is sooooo easy...  it's a world of difference.  You can keep soooo much more speed in your jump because unlike LRR or RLL dunks where you have to dunk the ball "down" to not hit the back rim and miss the dunk you can throw it in at a much flatter angle... I'm no lefty and my father sucks but it's still far easier for me. 

I'm assuming that since you are a natural lefty that like most left handed people you probably have a good degree of ambidextrousness and would take to this well...

It's funny how in game dunking is so opposite of perceived difficulty... people rate my dunks as more difficult and impressive when I do left handed, two handed, or drop step rotating dunks...  when really the first dunk I ever did was two handed and the "easiest" dunk (all alone single handed right hand dunk) is actually still damn hard to pull off....
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« Reply #3703 on: May 07, 2017, 12:17:13 am »
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Work on a drop step where you don't actually face up completely.  This requires the dunk to have a bit of turn, so it's a drop step spin and the dunk has about a 80 degree spin in it.  This allows you to protect the ball and even use your lead hand to fight off the defender (and even push off slightly for a boost).  If you have a trainer parter it's best to practice w them - practice your spin, gather, protect and push off w your lead arm on their shoulder... hard to get this perfect but when you do you can get truly nasty dunks...

Sounds v. interesting!!! When I practiced a spin into a drop step I found I had to do the spin real slow to get good groove into the plant for a jump. But I will practice what you've described, it seems subtly different from that. I find hte biggest challenge is not breaking the rules (travelling) while setting up for the dunk.
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« Reply #3704 on: May 07, 2017, 01:54:31 am »
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Woke up feeling normal. I think my back is fixed!!  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Hopefully tuesday I can go HAM on some heavy volume paused squats before flying out for my bro's wedding on weds. Gonna try make up a decent sink for incoming calories .. i will try eat clean etc but feasts are unavoidable.
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