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« Reply #3615 on: April 02, 2017, 11:05:13 pm »
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BW: 78.2kg (87.4kg w/ vest)
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Gna try rest today but hopefully I can swing a game to play tmr. Plus lifting. The sprints induced leg (mainly quads) soreness finally seems to have subsided, nice.
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« Reply #3616 on: April 02, 2017, 11:40:58 pm »
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So acknowledging that sports performance is just as much about how you think & perceive yourself and the game as it is about physical ability, i think i'd like to play at my heaviest bodyweight this time around, just for a change. I usually go super light and then get bodied around, sure it makes (warmup) dunking a piece of cake but it's not like that ever amounted to a game dunk. In reality, im more likely to dunk in-game when feeling powerful & agressive at a heavier bw.

My idea is to go on the creatine for the comp. Also ima be carbed up for once. But the thing which worries me right now is whether i have enough fitness. I havent been keeping up with the cardio .. and im not sure i have enough time to fix that. Sigh. It really sucks that i keep making the same mistake in preparing, just neglecting cardio. In hindsight i shud really be devoting an entire training block to building up my conditioning to a high level off-season, and hten maintaining that year-round. But ive never been strong enough or athletic enough to warrant changing focus away from those things towards improved conditioning.

Maybe a leanish morning weight of 77.5kg which equates to 80kg game time would be a good place to aim for by day 13?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3617 on: April 03, 2017, 05:31:12 pm »
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So acknowledging that sports performance is just as much about how you think & perceive yourself and the game as it is about physical ability, i think i'd like to play at my heaviest bodyweight this time around, just for a change. I usually go super light and then get bodied around, sure it makes (warmup) dunking a piece of cake but it's not like that ever amounted to a game dunk. In reality, im more likely to dunk in-game when feeling powerful & agressive at a heavier bw.

My idea is to go on the creatine for the comp. Also ima be carbed up for once. But the thing which worries me right now is whether i have enough fitness. I havent been keeping up with the cardio .. and im not sure i have enough time to fix that. Sigh. It really sucks that i keep making the same mistake in preparing, just neglecting cardio. In hindsight i shud really be devoting an entire training block to building up my conditioning to a high level off-season, and hten maintaining that year-round. But ive never been strong enough or athletic enough to warrant changing focus away from those things towards improved conditioning.

Maybe a leanish morning weight of 77.5kg which equates to 80kg game time would be a good place to aim for by day 13?

Even moreso in a game like basketball, which is about skill. The best way to get your fitness up is by playing as many basketball games as you can preferably organised games, but even pick up is better than just going on a treadmill or whatever for cardio.
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« Reply #3618 on: April 03, 2017, 11:26:28 pm »
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So acknowledging that sports performance is just as much about how you think & perceive yourself and the game as it is about physical ability, i think i'd like to play at my heaviest bodyweight this time around, just for a change. I usually go super light and then get bodied around, sure it makes (warmup) dunking a piece of cake but it's not like that ever amounted to a game dunk. In reality, im more likely to dunk in-game when feeling powerful & agressive at a heavier bw.

My idea is to go on the creatine for the comp. Also ima be carbed up for once. But the thing which worries me right now is whether i have enough fitness. I havent been keeping up with the cardio .. and im not sure i have enough time to fix that. Sigh. It really sucks that i keep making the same mistake in preparing, just neglecting cardio. In hindsight i shud really be devoting an entire training block to building up my conditioning to a high level off-season, and hten maintaining that year-round. But ive never been strong enough or athletic enough to warrant changing focus away from those things towards improved conditioning.

Maybe a leanish morning weight of 77.5kg which equates to 80kg game time would be a good place to aim for by day 13?

Even moreso in a game like basketball, which is about skill. The best way to get your fitness up is by playing as many basketball games as you can preferably organised games, but even pick up is better than just going on a treadmill or whatever for cardio.

ideally it would be both games + practice + pickup + cardio. but season ended 2 wks ago in my league and ive been lucky to get a game last wk but not sure if i will this one and next. will try to arrange 1v1 against some good players, maybe even 1v2; 21 games, that will help fitness. failing that it has to come from the treadmill and sprint intevals etc :/
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chasing athleticism (day #3/13) -- damage control alt delete
« Reply #3619 on: April 03, 2017, 11:39:29 pm »
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Bodyweight: 77.8kg
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Training today. I look like shit, smh, shud have accepted 73.0kg as a new set point but i was unsatisfied with it and now im nowhere near it anymore either :(
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3620 on: April 04, 2017, 12:43:48 am »
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a suggestion, not a new one: stop thinking about your bodyweight at all. no more targets. focus on being the basketball player you want to be, and eating nutritious food, and let the rest flow from that.
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« Reply #3621 on: April 04, 2017, 03:23:39 am »
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a suggestion, not a new one: stop thinking about your bodyweight at all. no more targets. focus on being the basketball player you want to be, and eating nutritious food, and let the rest flow from that.

I'm not thinking about bodyweight. 73kg corresponds to the leanest ive been in a while, nothing more nothign less. It's the bf% at 73kg i was/am referring to..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3622 on: April 04, 2017, 03:49:05 am »
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a suggestion, not a new one: stop thinking about your bodyweight at all. no more targets. focus on being the basketball player you want to be, and eating nutritious food, and let the rest flow from that.

I'm not thinking about bodyweight. 73kg corresponds to the leanest ive been in a while, nothing more nothign less. It's the bf% at 73kg i was/am referring to..

then i amend my suggestion to: stop thinking about your bf%.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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chasing athleticism (day #3/13) -- damage control alt delete
« Reply #3623 on: April 04, 2017, 09:47:54 am »
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Bodyweight: 77.8kg
Activity: 8000+ (good!)

Training today. I look like shit, smh, shud have accepted 73.0kg as a new set point but i was unsatisfied with it and now im nowhere near it anymore either :(

BS 5x110, 2x6x90(paused)
Dunks & shooting around
Hill sprints 2x6

Notes:
Meh, wasnt really up for anything good trainign wise but i punched in the bare min. Got some dunks down on hardcourt but it wasnt the higher rim so idk if it's worth anything. I shud prob test on a high rim next time to see where im at. Also didnt have weighed vest to use for sprints, but that's okay cos it was the first time doing them since last yr.

Really wish i cud eat everything to recover and train better but instead of i have to content with tasteless chicken breast lol. Fucking dickhead.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3624 on: April 04, 2017, 09:50:40 am »
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how cud i forget to mention. something in my jumpshot form clicked today, i was using a wrist cocked action which was giving me great accuracy (around 90%) .. so if this is a permenant improvement i might not be a complete shit bball player after all.

One thing i need to get right this year is tapering off the lifting/weight vest/rest of training closer to comp. last comp a year ago, i was completely fatigued :( and instead of being super athletic i was just okay. stupid weight vest. i wore it too much in hindsight. no one ever told me you're supposed to take it off when peaking for something? anyway this time i'll be conservative.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3625 on: April 04, 2017, 10:00:10 am »
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a suggestion, not a new one: stop thinking about your bodyweight at all. no more targets. focus on being the basketball player you want to be, and eating nutritious food, and let the rest flow from that.

I'm not thinking about bodyweight. 73kg corresponds to the leanest ive been in a while, nothing more nothign less. It's the bf% at 73kg i was/am referring to..

then i amend my suggestion to: stop thinking about your bf%.

idk. i dont have the motivation rn to do a 14 day PSMF w/ 24hr fasting on 1MAD which wud get me to 73kg or so. But supposing i did that, then i'd have another 3kg to diet off to be 10%bf.  Which is prob another 21 days of similar hardcore dieting. Why would i accept my 15-20% bf rn as something to live with as an acceptable state of affairs? It's just a recipe for great mediocrity. I will finish the job, i just dont know when, life is about to get real busy until mid june so yah, fuck it. I fucked up. And i might not get another chance which is what's saddening.

i dont really have a choice tho, if i focus on lifts or dunking or conditioning or whatever - it just means im delaying the inevitable cut, and when i get around to doing that cut any gains gained from those other phases wud vanish, it's pointles,s surely you can undrestand that
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3626 on: April 04, 2017, 01:41:59 pm »
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Have you had your BF% checked?

I think youre going about this all backwards. The dieting youre doing wont help much hecause youre killing muscular gains as well. Yes your BF% goes down but so does your strength relative to BW. Building muscles burns fat as well dont forget that. I second LBSS. Stop thinking of BF, scales and mirrors. Lift heavy. Go jump and play. Eat clean but for gods sake do EAT. And let the pieces fall where they may. i think youll be pleasantly surprised.

Edit: I say this because as an athlete... I see more harm in manipulation of BW than anything else. You will find a happy medium but you have to let your body get there thtough training and eating clean (not starving yourself). BW manipulation seems to be something a bodybuilders need more than athletes.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3627 on: April 04, 2017, 11:04:46 pm »
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If you eat enough protein you don't lose the muscle (just the strength which can come back later). But building muscle needs calories and if you start from an initial high bodyfat level, it will go up not down while gaining strength/mass. Now you end up in a worse situation even if you do gain some muscle your overall bf% is higher and you're relatively weaker. No win.

The better formula is diet down to 10% (say). Maintain it a while (hard for me). Then mass gain patiently up to goal weight (80-85kg for me) while maintaining or not straying far from goal bodyfat (10%). Not sure I can get up to lean 85 or 90kg without drugs tho but I'm sure gna try get to a lean 80kg without them.

Most ppl don't understand that someone who is 10% at 70kg and someone else who is 10% at 90kg have only 2kg of fat separating them.  Diff between 10% at 70 and 100, yup only 3kg If you can afford to lose 5kg of fat, you're too heavy. I can afford to lose more than 5kg :(. For what it's worth to justify carrying an extra 5kg bodyfat, I would need to weigh 120kg at the same bf. That's basically what you guys are suggesting to be ok with having the same amount of bodyfat as someone who weighs 120kg. And yes I test my bodyfat ALL the time, i habitually pinch my skinfolds around my waist all the time and can tell when im getting fatter or leaner. That's the best bodyfat test I know of.
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« Reply #3628 on: April 04, 2017, 11:27:25 pm »
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Thats based on the old myth that you cant lose fat AND gain muscle. Pretty sure its been debunked scientifically and ive personally seen 2 guys that Ive trained in the last 3 months (both already in decent shape as they are hoopers) lose weight and gain muscle. Their tested BF% went DOWN even tho they gained 4 and 6 lbs respectively.


Edit: (more info) both started off in the high teens/low 20s BF %. The one at 18% is now around 14% and the one at 22% is now at 19%. True its not drastic but its measurable results (7 point caliper test) in only a few months. Yes they initially dropped weight for the first 2 weeks then stabilized then gained but the entire time their body comp had noticable changes.
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« Reply #3629 on: April 04, 2017, 11:30:04 pm »
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it's possible, but not major changes to either muscle mass or fat mass take place in a recomp. ive done it by forcefeeding myself a chicken (only breast meat) every day. bf mass reduced, muscle mass went up slightly, bf% went down. I cant bring myself to do that experiment again, but even if i did, i need to be realistic. It wont recomp -7kg adipose +Xkg muscle mass. If i can afford to drop 7kg of bodyweight, recomping isn't the solution. Maybe if i was only 1-2kg overweight i cud do a recomp, 7kg is too much to recomp

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